Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit

travisw · Sep 8, 2015

Wavels said:
The road to hell is ofttimes paved with good intentions.

In San Francisco, popular restaurants Source, Abbot’s Cellar and Luna Park all closed their doors in recent months, citing the $15 minimum wage as the ultimate cause. Across the Bay in Oakland, which hiked the minimum wage to $12.25 earlier this year, 10 Chinatown restaurants and grocery stores have shuttered because of the wage increase.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article34269492.html

Minimum wage effect? January to June job losses for Seattle area restaurants (-1,300) largest since Great Recession
https://www.aei.org/publication/min...staurants-1300-largest-since-great-recession/

San Francisco has 39.3 restaurants per 10,000 households. It's the highest per capita in the entire country. It has 50% more restaurants than the next highest city New York. There are quite literally thousands of them. If you add in the amount of restaurants and grocery stores in Oakland, the fact that 13 closed surely shouldn't scare anyone, much less mean that we're on the road to hell, should it?

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Wavels · Sep 8, 2015

travisw said:
San Francisco has 39.3 restaurants per 10,000 households. It's the highest per capita in the entire country. It has 50% more restaurants than the next highest city New York. There are quite literally thousands of them. If you add in the amount of restaurants and grocery stores in Oakland, the fact that 13 closed surely shouldn't scare anyone, much less mean that we're on the road to hell, should it?

Only time will tell. What about Seattle?
We will see what we will see in the future...results from other markets remain to be seen.

fandango · Sep 8, 2015

UncleBuck said:
you're right.

carpenters will all lay down their framing hammers and switch to a ob at mcdonalds.

I want to lay my hammer down and work at Walmart...but damn it...I am so old now that they want me to be a greeter instead of the new boss?
Bye the way...15 an hour carpenters come by the dozen on my job sites...and they have no skills I know of.

heckler73 · Sep 8, 2015

fandango said:
I want to lay my hammer down and work at Walmart...but damn it...I am so old now that they want me to be a greeter instead of the new boss?
Bye the way...15 an hour carpenters come by the dozen on my job sites...and they have no skills I know of.

Could that be due to an influx of labour supply?
Where are you and what is the average Journeyman wage?

UncleBuck · Sep 8, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
McJobless In Seattle? Just installed, yeah!

According to a Business Insider report last month, McDonald’s franchisees see the minimum wage issue as “a major threat to the survival of the operator community,” and are encouraging the company to put “every resource available” into reducing labor costs through technologies such as kiosks and automatic fry dispensers.

Liberals never learn.

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/09...heck-for-15-minimum-wage-249245#ixzz3lApVZtl5

the installers got paid at least $22 an hour to put those in.

UncleBuck · Sep 8, 2015

Wavels said:
Only time will tell. What about Seattle?
We will see what we will see in the future...results from other markets remain to be seen.

the results are already in.

denmark pays $20 an hour and the sky hasn't fallen.

austalia pays $18 an hour and their big macs cost less.

not a single prediction you have ever made has come true.

what does that say about your assertions and if we should take what you say seriously?

UncleBuck · Sep 8, 2015

fandango said:
I want to lay my hammer down and work at Walmart...but damn it...I am so old now that they want me to be a greeter instead of the new boss?
Bye the way...15 an hour carpenters come by the dozen on my job sites...and they have no skills I know of.

i only got into the trades about a month ago. asked my boss (neighbor) for $12 an hour to start. he came up to me after the first day and said i was worth $15 easy. he must have decided i was worth $22 an hour soon after discovering i could do interior trim without instruction. i never asked him for any of it.

if walmart offered me $22 an hour tomorrow, i would turn them down.

Aeroknow · Sep 8, 2015

Union Carpenters are at 42.00 an hour in the Bay Area. :hump:

fandango · Sep 8, 2015

heckler73 said:
Could that be due to an influx of labour supply?
Where are you and what is the average Journeyman wage?

The local news reported a shortage of construction workers here last week(due to the long recession for me it started in 2007)
I live in Sacramento California.As a Project Manager my rate was 50.00 per hour.As a Carpenter foreman my rate is 35.00 per hour.My top guys were at 25.00.The low man was 12.50
We pay our own taxes from the check.

Aeroknow · Sep 8, 2015

fandango said:
The local news reported a shortage of construction workers here last week(due to the long recession for me it started in 2007)
I live in Sacramento California.As a Project Manager my rate was 50.00 per hour.As a Carpenter foreman my rate is 35.00 per hour.My top guys were at 25.00.The low man was 12.50
We pay our own taxes from the check.

Sac wages suck!
Even the non-union nail bangers I know closer to the bay area make at least 30. But, of course, it's more expensive to live over there sooooo.

fandango · Sep 8, 2015

UncleBuck said:
i only got into the trades about a month ago. asked my boss (neighbor) for $12 an hour to start. he came up to me after the first day and said i was worth $15 easy. he must have decided i was worth $22 an hour soon after discovering i could do interior trim without instruction. i never asked him for any of it.

if walmart offered me $22 an hour tomorrow, i would turn them down.

I could never work in a store...I am not house broken(too many days on the job site=freedom

Good to see you are in the trades UncleBuck.

I suggest you learn all about heating and air conditioning...If you look at the permits pulled in your area,the bid amount for the job
HVAC is listed,a split system goes for more than 2200 per ton!Material cost about 1100 per ton.
So a 2 man crew fills the truck,heads to the job and is done in less than 16 hours.
Also,you can go out and fix a/c units...I average 100 per hour doing this.

I just wonder if growing weed pays 15 per hour?some times it seems too.

Red1966 · Sep 8, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
Comprehensive Employment and Training Act, not Civil. I worked with them in the public sector as an employer and administrator for many years. Biggest waste of tax money you've ever seen.

Adult and school age jobs programs. We offered Federally sponsored (tax payer) hourly wages by helping low income school children land odd jobs usually around their school, 15 hrs./wk. I as a counselor (who took apps, screeened them, did job assessments and placements) met with these kids to help map out a way of life - an education or training when they left school. We also hired adults under Title I and VII. Full time jobs subsidized by CETA funds. The private sector was also encouraged to get involved and some did. There were many drawbacks, they knew the employees were not the cream of the crop plus they (the private sector) had to kick in 50% of the employee's salary so it wasn't very successful, very hard to work.

Pres. Carter later initiated a welfare reform program which I participated in which required employment within a certain period of time or federal salary funding would be cut off, 18 months from the time of employment. Welfare assistance (child care) continued until (mainly) single mothers could get back on their feet. Many did, most didn't. Reagan was voted in and axxed many of the programs including CETA. Another wasteful program gone.

If there were any funds left in the budget by the beginning of the 4th quarter the local prime sponsor (my boss) was encouraged to spend it all so that they could get more come next budget year - put on more kids/adults......it became a numbers game. We never returned surplus monies to the feds, we always found a way to piss it off. That was a condition of employment.

Years - 1974 - to around 1982

I'm a federally funded state employee.
"If there were any funds left in the budget by the beginning of the 4th quarter the local prime sponsor (my boss) was encouraged to spend it all so that they could get more come next budget year"
This is still the way it's done with all federally funded endeavors. Spend every dime of the budget by year's end or your funding the next year will be reduced. Discourages thrift. Encourages waste.

Aeroknow · Sep 8, 2015

fandango said:
I could never work in a store...I am not house broken(too many days on the job site=freedom

Good to see you are in the trades UncleBuck.

I suggest you learn all about heating and air conditioning...If you look at the permits pulled in your area,the bid amount for the job
HVAC is listed,a split system goes for more than 2200 per ton!Material cost about 1100 per ton.
So a 2 man crew fills the truck,heads to the job and is done in less than 16 hours.
Also,you can go out and fix a/c units...I average 100 per hour doing this.

I just wonder if growing weed pays 15 per hour?some times it seems too.

All I know is that I got in the wrong trade. 16 yrs of being a metalstud framer/lather/shitrocker, my back is fucking blown out. I doubt I'll ever go back. Currently up in Butte county just chillin.
I got in first(1993)My older brother seen me making bank and wanted in. I said don't get into my trade, plumbers, elctricians, and tin-knockers make waaaaaaay more, and it doesn't even look like they work that hard(lol). He chose plumbers union. Than my younger bro same shit, but he chose electricians. Then our cousin got in to the tin-knockers union.
They get paid more(on their checks, our pension/annuity is better). Their backs are still good. I'm fucked

*growing weed can pay waaaaaay more than 15 ;-)

Red1966 · Sep 8, 2015

fandango said:
I could never work in a store...I am not house broken(too many days on the job site=freedom

Good to see you are in the trades UncleBuck.

I suggest you learn all about heating and air conditioning...If you look at the permits pulled in your area,the bid amount for the job
HVAC is listed,a split system goes for more than 2200 per ton!Material cost about 1100 per ton.
So a 2 man crew fills the truck,heads to the job and is done in less than 16 hours.
Also,you can go out and fix a/c units...I average 100 per hour doing this.

I just wonder if growing weed pays 15 per hour?some times it seems too.

Trades? WTF? Buck hasn't had a job in 20 years.

Red1966 · Sep 8, 2015

Aeroknow said:
All I know is that I got in the wrong trade. 16 yrs of. Being a metalstud framer/lather/shitrocker, my back is fucking blown out. I doubt I'll ever go back. Currently up in Butte county just chillin.
I got in first(1993)My older brother seen me making bank and wanted in. I said don't get into my trade, plumbers, elctricians, and tin-knockers make waaaaaaay more, and it doesn't even look like they work that hard(lol). He chose plumbers union. Than my younger bro same shit, but be chose electricians. Then our cousin got in to the tin-knockers union.
They get paid more(on their checks, our pension and annuity is better). Their backs are still good. I'm fucked
*growing weed pays waaaaaay more than 15

Shitrocker?

Aeroknow · Sep 8, 2015

Red1966 said:
Shitrocker?

Yes, and I've hung miles of the shit. (Sheetrock)

fandango · Sep 8, 2015

Aeroknow said:
All I know is that I got in the wrong trade. 16 yrs of being a metalstud framer/lather/shitrocker, my back is fucking blown out. I doubt I'll ever go back. Currently up in Butte county just chillin.
I got in first(1993)My older brother seen me making bank and wanted in. I said don't get into my trade, plumbers, elctricians, and tin-knockers make waaaaaaay more, and it doesn't even look like they work that hard(lol). He chose plumbers union. Than my younger bro same shit, but be chose electricians. Then our cousin got in to the tin-knockers union.
They get paid more(on their checks, our pension and annuity is better). Their backs are still good. I'm fucked

*growing weed can pay waaaaaay more than 15

Butte is weed growing country.
I guess I got to the point where I can be considered a master framer(wood that is)did a little steel stud work,In fact the whole house was steel(so much noise with the cuts)The job you did hanging is tough all right.
The carpenters union was paying 10.80 per hour in San Pedro California.
My new plan is to stay home and grow weed,seems alot of folks enjoy smoking.I'm here to provide their pleasure.

PS...We can build them homes,but can not buy one!

Red1966 · Sep 8, 2015

Aeroknow said:
Yes, and I've hung miles of the shit. (Sheetrock)

Just seems an odd job description.

Uncle Ben · Sep 8, 2015

Grandpapy said:
It worked for me.
Thank You!

Glad you benefitted, which means you took the initiative to better your self. I worked 12 counties way back when.

Uncle Ben · Sep 8, 2015

Aeroknow said:
Union Carpenters are at 42.00 an hour in the Bay Area.

Wouldn't be because of all the extraneous bullshit fees attached by chance? You can't fart in Cali without some snot nose post college jerk wanting to collect a fee for potential wind damage or pollution.

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