guy incognito
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Also I want to see your source that says the components of a big mac meal including fries and soft drift cost 25 cents because I don't believe that either.
so you think that no matter what charge is being put on a commodity, if someone buys it, that price is just? you lay the greed on the consumer? thats interesting dude, i'm not sayin that in a dick way either..definatly a different point of view. i respect that man. i do disagree though..i know weed isn't food water or sunlight but i find it neccessary in my life, so i'm going to pay whatever price is being charged for premium seeds. seed company owners know that, and when they take advantage of that, i feel its morally wrong. its just like LA confidential clones going for $75,000 in compassion clubs within LA, or NYC Diesel going for $1,200 an ounce back in the day..stoners taking advantage of other stoners. some people, like myself, find that disturbing because they would never rape a profit margin like that to anyone. i'm a businessman and i'll never be that rutheless, and the truth is i'm more successful than probably 95% of the worlds population. financially i mean. there are others who see that as pure business and do not care how unfair a price is, as long as someone is willing to pay it.
You have to understand every company operates this way & things don't tend to change without the consumer changing. If you were charging $50 a dub & 500 people a month were buying it, you can't say you'd stop charging $50 a dub due to morals. You might say you would, but 95% of the people wouldn't. It's easy to say you 'would' do it differently, but doesn't mean you 'would' once in that circumstance. Like I said, when water companies can charge you $1.38 a bottle when it is virtually FREE to make water, & the water they are selling isn't even as healthy as water from the drain, then how can one complain about seeds? Seeds are in way higher demand, way riskier to sell, & a lot more of an operation.so you think that no matter what charge is being put on a commodity, if someone buys it, that price is just? you lay the greed on the consumer? thats interesting dude, i'm not sayin that in a dick way either..definatly a different point of view. i respect that man. i do disagree though..i know weed isn't food water or sunlight but i find it neccessary in my life, so i'm going to pay whatever price is being charged for premium seeds. seed company owners know that, and when they take advantage of that, i feel its morally wrong. its just like LA confidential clones going for $75,000 in compassion clubs within LA, or NYC Diesel going for $1,200 an ounce back in the day..stoners taking advantage of other stoners. some people, like myself, find that disturbing because they would never rape a profit margin like that to anyone. i'm a businessman and i'll never be that rutheless, and the truth is i'm more successful than probably 95% of the worlds population. financially i mean. there are others who see that as pure business and do not care how unfair a price is, as long as someone is willing to pay it.
Bullshit. Where do you live that the cigarette tax is $1.25? I'd be willing to bet a portion of that $5.75 also contains taxes.
Quality shirts do not cost $1. $2.30-$3 is not $1.
Your not understanding that companies buy in BULK of thousands, there is no way they are getting charged anywhere near what a home business would. I have no source of the Big Mac ordeal, I have seen CNBC reports on it, if you want to go look those up via-torrent & download them, be my guest. I have also done simple Google searches that will give an estimate of how much they cost to produce. Not to mention Mc. Donalds MEAT is made up of shit, it is not what you think it is, therefore they pay EVEN LESS then they would if it were 100% beef. Another thing you don't know though because all you wanted to do was disagree.Also I want to see your source that says the components of a big mac meal including fries and soft drift cost 25 cents because I don't believe that either.
True statement. Lol... Wal-Mart will be the first to capitalize on that one.Supply and demand they have overhead cost which translates into higher prices for you the consumer. one day when the Weed is legal(probably not in my lifetime) you can go buy your genetics at walmart
not every business dude, and you'd be foolish to think those businesses which do not are unsuccessful. i can't say i own a business per say, but i can say i'm a businessman who believes in fair price and has been benefiting from that mantra for a few years and i'm already reaping huge rewards whilst remaining true to those beliefs. its not for everyone, sure..some people are so wrapped up in the pyramid scheme they are willing to fuck anyone over to get there. i got to where i wanted to be and did not have to step on anyone to get there. if you want to tell yourself these seed companies aren't getting disgustingly fucking rich off of a product they could sell 75% cheaper and still rip a huge margin, thats your choice all day and i respect that for real. i just disagree the shit out of it. respectfully!You have to understand every company operates this way & things don't tend to change without the consumer changing. If you were charging $50 a dub & 500 people a month were buying it, you can't say you'd stop charging $50 a dub due to morals. You might say you would, but 95% of the people wouldn't. It's easy to say you 'would' do it differently, but doesn't mean you 'would' once in that circumstance. Like I said, when water companies can charge you $1.38 a bottle when it is virtually FREE to make water, & the water they are selling isn't even as healthy as water from the drain, then how can one complain about seeds? Seeds are in way higher demand, way riskier to sell, & a lot more of an operation.
Water can be produces by anyone, seeds cant. Water can be sold by anyone, seeds cant. Water is legal, seeds are not. Water comes from mother nature as well as seeds. What's the difference? Pretty much nothing. When you start selling an ILLEGAL product & you send that product OVER state lines, you'll be charging an arm-leg too. I don't think your understanding the risk they take for us growers to send these seeds via-mail. That's a federal crime right off the bat. It's not that easy dude.
Really, if you can run a legit business without fucking anyone, more power to you. But, from business school to business lectures, to business conventions, every owner has told us or me the same thing. That the only way to get to the absolute top or where you want to get, is by inflation. By fucking people. That's just what I've been taught though, like I said, more power to you if you don't have to. But like I said, it may be easy to say one thing but do another.not every business dude, and you'd be foolish to think those businesses which do not are unsuccessful. i can't say i own a business per say, but i can say i'm a businessman who believes in fair price and has been benefiting from that mantra for a few years and i'm already reaping huge rewards whilst remaining true to those beliefs. its not for everyone, sure..some people are so wrapped up in the pyramid scheme they are willing to fuck anyone over to get there. i got to where i wanted to be and did not have to step on anyone to get there. if you want to tell yourself these seed companies aren't getting disgustingly fucking rich off of a product they could sell 75% cheaper and still rip a huge margin, thats your choice all day and i respect that for real. i just disagree the shit out of it. respectfully!
Exactly... especially that last line. People don't understand what goes into this. I would never trade my freedom for $3.00 a seed. Never! I wouldn't even do it for $10.00 a seed, not worth it. These dudes could charge more if they wanted... lucky they don't. Because I would.the seed companies only charge what the public is willing to pay. also, there are some reasonable prices out there. Don't forget that what were dealing with here, is still the worlds most controversial substance... so your paying more than a little bit because of the complications involved in that. one day seeds will be sold by the hundred in nursery store displays. but until then, this is how it is.
and if you don't like it, don't buy them. the more than obvious solution is to clone, or breed your own seeds. bitching about an industry you know very little about (besides the product end) is asinine
Very good points, especially the one regarding the subject matter.the seed companies only charge what the public is willing to pay. also, there are some reasonable prices out there. Don't forget that what were dealing with here, is still the worlds most controversial substance... so your paying more than a little bit because of the complications involved in that. one day seeds will be sold by the hundred in nursery store displays. but until then, this is how it is.
and if you don't like it, don't buy them. the more than obvious solution is to clone, or breed your own seeds. bitching about an industry you know very little about (besides the product end) is asinine
The exact point I made in my first post, don't buy if you don't like, simple. I mean, I see plenty of people who won't touch Starbucks coffee due to price, same goes with seeds. Nobody is forcing you to buy the seed, just like nobody is forcing you to buy a cup of coffee for $6.00. You can very well make your own coffee at home & the same theory applies for seeds, you can very well breed at home.Very good points, especially the one regarding the subject matter.
It's funny how some smokers forget cannabis is actually illegal.
No matter how public opinion on the issue is trending, at the end of the day it's still against the law. Which is the primary driver concerning cost.
Take away the Prohibition factor and cannabis seeds won't be much more than tomato seeds.
All that aside, the prices are what the market will bear.
And to anyone bitching about the prices, I say DON'T BUY THE DAMN SEEDS. Be content with bagseed and leave it at that.
That's fine this guy won't see me, I just want everyone else to understand what a tool he is.Your not understanding that companies buy in BULK of thousands, there is no way they are getting charged anywhere near what a home business would. I have no source of the Big Mac ordeal, I have seen CNBC reports on it, if you want to go look those up via-torrent & download them, be my guest. I have also done simple Google searches that will give an estimate of how much they cost to produce. Not to mention Mc. Donalds MEAT is made up of shit, it is not what you think it is, therefore they pay EVEN LESS then they would if it were 100% beef. Another thing you don't know though because all you wanted to do was disagree.
I find it funny that your calling me out on my source when in fact you have produced no source yourself. I make T-Shirts, I watch the news, my source is my knowledge that I've gained. I know what's what, I have a business degree, I understand what goes into a company & how profits are generated. I'm almost certain you know close to nothing about business, so this argument with you is mute. Your acting as a child, I simply made a statement, an APPROXIMATION, ESTIMATE, which I was clearly almost right on about.
I don't understand people like you, it amazes me the stupidity level of some... welcome to the recycling-bin. [ignored] Your reply won't be seen, so save yourself the time of typing. I'm sure you'll reply anyways though, that's what you people do.
EDIT; I live in Stanislaus County, I can go to a local gas station right now & buy cigarettes, take a photo of the receipt & show you proof. But why? Your the type of person obviously that believes everything is a conspiracy, lmao... you still wouldn't believe. Your not worth that time & I don't smoke cigarettes so your not worth my money either.
Like I said, HOME BUSINESS shirts cost $2-3... do you think corporations are paying the same I am for shirts? No. So my statement stands, learn how to comprehend, I said HOME BUSINESS costs $2-3 not REAL COMPANIES.
And if you cloned those plants you not only harvested 5 plants, but could have a potentially unlimited amount more of the exact same genetics. The only reason I will order more seeds is when I want specific genetics. I wouldn't mind having a bunch of different strains all in a perpetual grow. Get a nice variety of a constant supply of widely differing genetics. The high price has limited me to 2 seed bank bought strains at the moment.it sound expensive but think about what they invest to make the different strains and the botnist they employ plus im sure they got some legal problems and all the backing wharehouses and so on they need to make a profit to do you work for free? if you spend 50 on a 5 pack of seeds dose that mean that when you harvest one plant youll sell the harvest for the $10 that the seed cost you or will you factor in the lights and soil and potts and nutes ant time you put into it plus im sure you would wanna make a profit of some sort...