One of faves. Just got 2 quarts the other day, free gratis. It pays to network.Good for veg
It's really none of your business what I do.
- https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/356687-samwell-seed-well.html
Yes, in your grow the light penetrates to the lower branches. In a SCROG grow it does not. You should really quit saying that people who "lollipop" are stupid, because for those of us who SCROG it's absolutely necessary.It's really none of your business what I do.
Having said that, I checked out your journal. Someone needs some help
You don't/can't retain lower leaves due to improper culture. If I had to guess part of the problem is because you bought into the low N foods BS so prevalent amongst noobs or you're doing something stupid like a Lollipopping drill. Some advise, when you upcan, bury the trunk as deep as possible. Also, exposed roots (pot on the right) is not cool. The least you can do is keep the surface roots covered.
When you bury the trunk you get root output along the trunk increasing water and salts uptake.
Here's how its done - https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html
I produce and retain leaves in mass and increase my production. These are fairly large leaves considering I do SOB:
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Now.....what's this popular forum bullshit that light doesn't reach the lower levels? That garden was crammed with plants and I still got good weight and bulk on the lowest buds.
UB
If you had followed the back and forth we've had over several threads you'd know what I'm talking about. I've been doing this for quite some time too my man, I know very well what SCROG and lollipopping are, thank you. But now I have to explain myself yet again, and it's getting tiresome.My point is that for people who employ a SCROG, there is very little light that penetrates through the canopy (at least if done properly), hence the need to lollipop the lower growth so that it doesn't die off due to lack of light. So while the two may be unrelated on the surface, there is still correlation for SCROG growers.wolverine-
lollipop and SCROG are two entirely different schools of thought, completely unrelated to each other... you should listen to UB, he knows what he is talking about... and do some research before you open your mouth, its like granpa always said... "Son, sometimes its best to keep your mouth shut and let people think your an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
this guy, UB, is one of the most experienced growers on this site, hands down. You might not agree with what he has to say, but if you LISTEN, you can learn and save yourself alot of time, and wasted effort and $$...
Ok, I'm going to keep this short. You're wrong, it's still "lollipopping" whether it's SOG, SCROG, or otherwise. When you remove the bottom 1/3+ it is lollipopping, and yes, also "pruning". I understand apical dominance quite well, and you're correct that I could simply prune for 4-8 colas and call it good. But then you end up still stripping the bottom half of each main branch due to the aforementioned light penetration issue AND you have all of that branching which gets in the way when you hand water a couple 5x5 rooms with access only from the front. It's a matter of convenience and shaping the plants to suit my needs.
I didn't call you a fool, you called me a fool. And if you read what I wrote, it would be kinda tough to hand water a 5' deep room with branches intertwined like that otherwise that would probably be my preference. And if the Shroomery thing is supposed to be a link, it's broken. Good day sir.thats right... i know nothing, and am merely a fool., and i bow down to your superior knowledge, and techniques
good luck in your endeavors....
oh, fyi:
lollipop:
scrog:
look at all those lollipopped lower branches.... lmao.
I've tried the funnel thing, yes, it's not very practical (you try holding a funnel in place leaning over 5' AND watering while doing it) but in the long run I get better results doing what I do. And one more time, I never said you didn't know anything, at all. I disagreed with your application of terminology, and snapped because you assume that I don't understand basic horticultural concepts. I just don't appreciate being talked down to, I doubt anyone does. And I get sick of every time anyone questions UB, the hive comes to his defense without question. I respect his opinion, and think he could be (and sometimes is) a very valued contributor, but I'm very at-odds with his means of delivery. I've tried getting him to acknowledge that I have a point, but he ignores it then says the same damn thing in the next thread... it gets old.i ripped the pics off the net.... since i neither scrog or lollipop. and i didnt call you a fool, directly, i used a folk saying that was pertinent to the situation.
have you tried a funnel with a short hose? u can get em at a dollar store real cheap.... saves you ALOT of hassle. but then again, i know nothing.
I prefer a squirt gun myself...**im glad everyone isnt busting out flame-throwers
--cheers
You should try on my galoshes sometime LOL. I have to agree, apples and oranges. All of the proponents of self mutilation I've seen have been on regular plants, not SCROG gardens. What's happening is folks, mainly noobs, are giving into popular practices and throwing botany out the door.
Well HOT DAMN! I'll be. Sumbitch. That one made me smile, a welcome change it is... That's all I was trying to get you to acknowledge. And yes, SCROG is a pain for a couple of weeks, but after stretch it's all gravy. Peace.You should try on my galoshes sometime LOL. I have to agree, apples and oranges. All of the proponents of self mutilation I've have been regular plants that I've seen around here, not SCROG. What's happening is folks, mainly noobs, are giving into popular practices and throwing botany out the door.
Back to SCROG.......yes, if a leaf is not functioning then you should drop it, after mama nature waves a flag to do so.
Wolverine, you're no idiot but any one that has the balls to mess with SCROG and keep their sanity deserves a medal. There, wasn't that a nice comment?
Grandpappy say, "if you can't stand the heat then git ur ass outta da kitchin"
Just an after thought. The term lollipop was contrived with the thought that if you removed the lower branches that somehow the plant's <cough>, "energy" would be directed to the upper half creating a round lollipop profile or one large cola.
Oysters on the half shell and a white Albarino wine for starters, maybe some escargole, then prime rib with braised vegetables washed down with a Bordeaux red finishing with cream sherry and some triamisu. Then it's bed time.
Agreed. I'm about 50% through construction of my newest room, and I've learned from past logistical nightmares. My new flower room is a wide open 8x8, and I have no intention of doing SCROG in this space. I'll go with larger plants and use bamboo stake tepee's for any extra support. It will also allow me to leave the lower growth like I used to do prior to going SCROG. I'll keep the screens going in the other rooms because I get maximum yield that way, but I don't want the maintenance issues with this much area to deal with.
