Tasty GM crops, or insecticides... you decide

ricky1lung · Jul 31, 2013

NoDrama said:
I could EASILY pass that test. Blindfold me and my rate of successfully picking the organic egg from the white mass produced one would be 100%. The tase isn't even close, in fact the little white eggs they sell in the store don't even have any taste.

Store bought eggs have a milky yellow yolk, these big fresh ones I eat have an almost orange appearance and have stunning taste.
Perhaps the eggs you got from the organic side weren't from good stock? Drive down a country road and buy direct from the source.

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I grew up eating real food, from real farms.
As I got older and suffered through grocery store meats and
vegetables I found I was normally let down.
No matter if it is beef, chicken or pork I found it tasteless. Fruits and vegetables are
even worse for taste.

Every year we buy a beef, a pork, and a dozen or so chickens from
area farmers and send the beef and pork to be cut and wrapped.
By doing it this way we save allot of money and have good food all year.

I can taste the difference.

ricky1lung · Jul 31, 2013

Canna Sylvan said:
For our planet, GMO needs banning. Wtf is labeling going to do? How's it fair to those who don't want GMO and their neighbor is growing that shit. How does he magically keep from accidentally pollinating with potentially dangerous GMO genetics my plants? So those who don't want any GMO must grow in a greenhouse? But those who don't care and want to poison us can grow huge amounts outdoors without a greenhouse? Unless you can guarantee my neighbor's violating mother nature won't fuck with my crop, I'm sorry, but the moment your actions destroy my property, you lose your rights.

GMO's are invasive and do pollinate non GMO crops.
That's why it doesn't matter if people preserve heirloom seeds if GMO's
are allowed to go on in a large scale. Unless the heirlooms are grown in a
contamination free area there is a chance it will be contaminated.

The same thing goes with apparent "organic" crops. There would be very few
true organic crops because of contamination.

The best way for true organic vegetables is to grow your own.

kpmarine · Jul 31, 2013

ricky1lung said:
I grew up eating real food, from real farms.
As I got older and suffered through grocery store meats and
vegetables I found I was normally let down.
No matter if it is beef, chicken or pork I found it tasteless. Fruits and vegetables are
even worse for taste.

Every year we buy a beef, a pork, and a dozen or so chickens from
area farmers and send the beef and pork to be cut and wrapped.
By doing it this way we save allot of money and have good food all year.

I can taste the difference.

We raised our own cows and pigs for years. The tri-tip and pork products we got at Costco tasted the same.

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

A lot of people claim. And that is good. But, we know the senses can fool us.

First if you condiuct DB studies on taste itself....well let's just wide monkeys have wide taste. And, chemical based, it can be self-spoofed in different ways than Audio, say. But, all senses are self-spoofed in various ways in the brain.

OK.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_...es_compare_to_conventionally_grown_vegetables
Statistically speaking on a variety of tests the results have always shown that in double blind experiments 71% of organic shoppers preferred the taste of Conventionally grown Tomatoes, 80% guessed wrong on which apples were Organically grown vs Conventionally grown Apples.

In another study Bananas were cut in half and each labeled either Organic and Non-Organic, the results showed that 90% chose the half they believed to be Organic.

Showing that the preference of taste of an unknown food item to be that of Conventionally grown foods. Whereas the other study showed that their own bias made them believe they could taste a difference between 2 halves of the same fruit.

Source: Swedish National Food Administration
Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Hudson Institute etc..

All you guys that say you KNOW, it is different. It might be for you. But, very likely statistically speaking you can't tell the difference.
Been looking and being fair, and don't know, don't care. I can't find a DB that supports the Taste Claim.

ricky1lung · Jul 31, 2013

Doer said:
A lot of people claim. And that is good. But, we know the senses can fool us.

First if you condiuct DB studies on taste itself....well let's just wide monkeys have wide taste. And, chemical based, it can be self-spoofed in different ways than Audio, say. But, all senses are self-spoofed in various ways in the brain.

OK.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_...es_compare_to_conventionally_grown_vegetables
Statistically speaking on a variety of tests the results have always shown that in double blind experiments 71% of organic shoppers preferred the taste of Conventionally grown Tomatoes, 80% guessed wrong on which apples were Organically grown vs Conventionally grown Apples.

In another study Bananas were cut in half and each labeled either Organic and Non-Organic, the results showed that 90% chose the half they believed to be Organic.

Showing that the preference of taste of an unknown food item to be that of Conventionally grown foods. Whereas the other study showed that their own bias made them believe they could taste a difference between 2 halves of the same fruit.

Source: Swedish National Food Administration
Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Hudson Institute etc..

All you guys that say you KNOW, it is different. It might be for you. But, very likely statistically speaking you can't tell the difference.
Been looking and being fair, and don't know, don't care. I can't find a DB that supports the Taste Claim.

There may be some truth to this, but nowhere does it say that a taste difference cannot be noticed by all people.
Also, so what if 90% chose the wrong half of the same banana, there was no right answer in the equation because
they were led to believe there was an organic banana in the test. Just a little trickery.

Different feed and growing conditions are a huge factor in the final product. Naturally it will affect taste for better or worse.

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

ricky1lung said:
There may be some truth to this, but nowhere does it say that a taste difference cannot be noticed by all people.
Also, so what if 90% chose the wrong half of the same banana, there was no right answer in the equation because they were led to believe there was an organic banana in the test. Just a little trickery.

Different feed and growing conditions are a huge factor in the final product. Naturally it will affect taste for better or worse.

There is a right answer. They taste the same. Two banana will taste the same from the same Pod. 1/2s will taste the same. That is the answer. It is a Double Blind study. Faking the other senses is DB. Let's not miss the point.

The point to me is all the Lord Organic types, here, even that swear they can taste the difference. Likely they cannot.

Even for those eggs. Take the dark orange out of the vision and only 30% can tell the difference. Variability in taste, is no reason to Jack an entire Industry of Egg production, for example, or Beef, Carrots, Tomato,or anything.

You, (not Ricky personally) are just sloshing the Gold Pot in your direction, or worst, being a Cioset Food Nazi, trying to tell us we are inferior as we cannot taste the difference. Some might preen about the non-existent health benefits. Why, health benefits? IT"S ORGANIC, MAN! (no other reasons or evidence exists)

If you are a CFN, then the Fundamental Change will use, then abuse you, too, for Power.

ricky1lung · Jul 31, 2013

Doer said:
There is a right answer. They taste the same. Two banana will taste the same from the same Pod. 1/2s will taste the same. That is the answer. It is a Double Blind study. Faking the other senses is DB. Let's not miss the point.

The point to me is all the Lord Organic types, here, even that swear they can taste the difference. Likely they cannot.

Even for those eggs. Take the dark orange out of the vision and only 30% can tell the difference. Variability in taste, is no reason to Jack an entire Industry of Egg production, for example, or Beef, Carrots, Tomato,or anything.

You, (not Ricky personally) are just sloshing the Gold Pot in your direction, or worst, being a Cioset Food Nazi, trying to tell us we are inferior as we cannot taste the difference. Some might preen about the non-existent health benefits. Why, health benefits? IT"S ORGANIC, MAN! (no other reasons or evidence exists)

If you are a CFN, then the Fundamental Change will use, then abuse you, too, for Power.

I see what you're saying.
The organic thing makes me chuckle, it has become extremely difficult to be
completely organic considering exterior forces. The organic label is an easy way
to jack prices IMO.

Im not about organics or swaying someone to my side. I can just tell the difference
in the food I eat from the sources available.

Harrekin · Jul 31, 2013

ricky1lung said:
I see what you're saying.
The organic thing makes me chuckle, it has become extremely difficult to be
completely organic considering exterior forces. The organic label is an easy way
to jack prices IMO.

Im not about organics or swaying someone to my side. I can just tell the difference
in the food I eat from the sources available.

Organic =/= Higher Quality

It's strange the difference people equate to a bunch of "organic" atoms attached to the bog standard chemical elements in normal fertiliser...

Does the extra carbon make it better or something?

doublejj · Jul 31, 2013

kpmarine said:
Or maybe it's because people are prone to panic over unsubstabtiated claims? Even if something is false; it still hurts the bottom line; otherwise every honest person would not have to fret about lies told about them. I don't see why avoiding segregation based on genetic modification is a plot in itself; perhaps if you could validate this a bit more? There seem to be legetimate business reasons.

I don't need to validate anything!....I just want to know what I'm buying.....what is it that Monsanto doesn't want me to know?........lets just label GMO's & let the people decide if it tastes the same......OR NOT.....

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

doublejj said:
I don't need to validate anything!....I just want to know what I'm buying.....what is it that Monsanto doesn't want me to know?........lets just label GMO's & let the people decide if it tastes the same......ON NOT.....

With all the talk of Double Blind studies, you can't say that. In DB testing it tastes the same. That alone is the point. No taste difference and no heath problems are in evidence. Even food labeling can be jacked for Luddite Agenda.

How about Beef? Something like.... This beef was killed with a .22 fired brain spike. Oh, that tastes bad.

I prefer the beef killed with an air spike. See? Stupid if we told everyone, everything. Many people can't handle the truth.

Labeling itself can be Anti-Con.

You want the govt going along with taking our Queen. No. Their Queen, also.

Harrekin · Jul 31, 2013

doublejj said:
I don't need to validate anything!....I just want to know what I'm buying.....what is it that Monsanto doesn't want me to know?........lets just label GMO's & let the people decide if it tastes the same......OR NOT.....

You're leaving companies purely at the fickle whim of cognitive dissonance putting it like that tho, they do taste exactly the same... I know because we have labelling here with GM food and I couldn't give a fuck whether its GM or not so the taste test for me is unbiased.

But regardless of whether you buy organic food or food containing GM components from a store, they're gonna both taste poor compared to locally sourced, well grown produce (regardless of whether they use GM seed or not).

Small local farmers (regardless of the type of fertiliser they use) simply care more for their food (and land) which simply results in a higher overall quality.

Buy whatever you want tho, honestly, it doesn't effect me...

doublejj · Jul 31, 2013

Harrekin said:
You're leaving companies purely at the fickle whim of cognitive dissonance putting it like that tho, they do taste exactly the same... I know because we have labelling here with GM food and I couldn't give a fuck whether its GM or not so the taste test for me is unbiased.

But regardless of whether you buy organic food or food containing GM components from a store, they're gonna both taste poor compared to locally sourced, well grown produce (regardless of whether they use GM seed or not).

Small local farmers (regardless of the type of fertiliser they use) simply care more for their food (and land) which simply results in a higher overall quality.

Buy whatever you want tho, honestly, it doesn't effect me...

I just want to know......is that too much to ask?......if it is, there's a problem......

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

doublejj said:
I just want to know......is that too much to ask?......if it is, there's a problem......

No. It is a problem of panic...maybe not for you, but for others, soon and many.

There are about only 1000 idiots, but, they could lead a charge in emotion manipulation around this. We see it every month, on RIU.
Factless Ludite Hippies are fond of lying and if GM is labeled they will lie about it, even worse than now.

These idiots were about to Injunct the entire 2013 planting season, thinking that would wreak Monsanto rather than little guy.
Dangerous are these idiots on Agenda. They don't think it through.

So, on labeling it is the good of the Many at play and it is good we have self rule, so the Congress can put Para. 756 or whatever in Farm Bill to stop those idiots.

Admit it. You don't really care that much, do you?

doublejj · Jul 31, 2013

Anytime they are withholding information "For my own good".........I have a problem with it. Let people decide for themselves.......I don't see panic in the streets if they label foods with what is really in it...Monsanto knows that labeling is the first step, to the end of GMO's & their monopoly.........

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

doublejj said:
Anytime they are withholding information "For my own good".........I have a problem with it. Let people decide for themselves.......I don't see panic in the streets if they label foods with what is really in it...Monsanto knows that labeling is the first step, to the end of GMO's & their monopoly.........

Wow. Are you listening to yourself? Are you really trying to suggest WE are supposed to tell you everything?

If you wanted to find out, you could. No one is hiding it from you. You just want it on a Platter, a label.

You can find out without disturbing the peace. Do you think food riots about this are out the question?

Ruh? That can't happen. They would never do that!! (don't block the TV, relax)

doublejj · Jul 31, 2013

Monsanto can fight it all they want, but GMO labeling is coming.........the term "organic" has come to mean "No GMO's" already. I pay extra for 'organic' products, to send the hardest message I can to Monsanto........"fuck you"..........

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

All very fine. Not exactly what my sign said in Northern Florida,in the 70s, but close enough. I tell you something. If you slow down enough to show the articulation I know you have, a hand note, faxed to your Critter and Copied to Mr.Whathisname Crazy that is CEO of Monsanto, that is, more powerful, than I think you know.

Get some facts and participate in self rule at the REAL level. Fulfilling.

And I won't back down. WE rule ourselves at the County level. WE run the States by mixing that with District Voting for Legislature. Every single State, is practically the same master mold, the States coined the Fed from. The States COINED this Federal Govt, not the other way around. When this shit is no longer sanctioned by the States it will change.

Ganja is our best example in our lives but it is an endless encyclopedia of interlock, Self Rule.

Fuck you, is good. Very good. Now, be that fuck you. A calm and quite dangerous Citizen in Action. Do something.
Call your Critters office right now. Be brief, one issue one statement of for or against. Something they are voting on.
All hand written fax will be read, however.

doublejj · Jul 31, 2013

Monsanto feels me every time I buy an 'organic' product......if everyone bought organic, Monsanto would cease to exist.....simple

Doer · Jul 31, 2013

In your dreams, you mean. What Corporation can feel an individual in this way? They, quite structurally, do not care.

And do you really think the end of Monsanto would be the end of GM seeds? Oh, no. What about Dow or any other company that decides to make a play in the game? Even for cannabis there can be worst than Monsanto.

And do you really know the Organic question, so called Organic Biz? Oxymoron? Education is powerful.

[SUB]About 50% of Organic Foods in the US are grown/produced by a German company and roughly 40% are imported from China. Not local for me but depending where your from I guess that could be true. However, there are over 400 peer reviewed studies that show there is no nutritional difference between Conventional and Organically grown crops.

[/SUB]http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_...es_compare_to_conventionally_grown_vegetables

Just one source, but an interesting question.

canndo · Jul 31, 2013

tokeprep said:
That's not plotting to kill them. The sickness and death is the unavoidable result of the product; cigarettes companies cannot make "safe" cigarettes. There's no such thing--they sell sickness and death by necessity.

this is incorrect. Cigarette companies not only knew their products were deadly but they made them more addictive using baseifying additives such as ammonia on the leaves. They refused to make more "safe" cigarettes because that would tend to implicate that the cigarettes they already sold were not "safe". Beyond that, one particular tobacco conglomerate, after spending it's resources killing millions purchased a variety of processed food companies and used their marketing prowess in order to kill even MORE people through heart disease and obesity related ailments.

Tasty GM crops, or insecticides... you decide

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