jubiare
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Sounds good to me, still young to "talk efficiency" (I would even go down to 23w but 28w should be just fine! I think it's good you are not watering just yet... and when you do, remember to try ph'ing the water!
Testing Hans panel: 56watt Cree xp-e/ Lumiled rebel power==== Let's talk efficiency
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Sounds good to me, still young to "talk efficiency" (I would even go down to 23w but 28w should be just fine! I think it's good you are not watering just yet... and when you do, remember to try ph'ing the water!
PSUAGRO.
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Thanks Jubiare for the good info..........Ah it is at 23w led power, yes I will ph the tap @ 6.1/why not, nothing to lose.......they will need water tomorrow morning for sure........
Endur0xX
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dont worry about the skinny, I prefer to leave the light way up ( like 3-4' high at this stage ) and when I transplant (I dont wait too long for this normally, I dont even wait to see roots at the bottom) I put them deeper in the container so that they are not tall and skinny anymore, everything goes smoothly from then on. If you dont know what I mean it's like the bottom section of the plants will become part of the root system as well and bring the new load of soil right up to their necks . hope this helps
also you should have humidity dome at this point or you should have had up until now anyway, I often use veggies plastic bags for that.
also you should have humidity dome at this point or you should have had up until now anyway, I often use veggies plastic bags for that.
Endur0xX
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no dome is not a big deal, just use transparent plastic bags, once they are a few days out of the soil poke a few holes in the bags and give it fresh air every day for another 7-10 days and then you can let them go without humidity dome.
DO NOT PUSH THEM DEEPER! it's not what I meant, only when you will transplant into bigger container, you make sure the soil goes up way higher so that a 3 inch plant turn into a 1.5 inch plant sort of thing. hope it's clear!
DO NOT PUSH THEM DEEPER! it's not what I meant, only when you will transplant into bigger container, you make sure the soil goes up way higher so that a 3 inch plant turn into a 1.5 inch plant sort of thing. hope it's clear!
Endur0xX
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oh I see you may not be transplanting, I just saw in the pics they are already in the smart pot... well next time around anyway you can go this route, start in small containers and when you transplant, you turn your tall skinny plants into short plants. I think that where you are at currently, maybe you don't have to worry about humidity dome anymore but that is why you had such a slow start, seedlings like 70-80% RH, not 50. Be patient, within a week you are going to see some action... It does take forever to start from seeds and now I start my seeds way before I think I will need them hehe.
I dont know if you can see here in the first pics I had a few small containers kickin around, not sure you can see on picture but some were borderline tall and skinny, and then you can see in the second pic in the bottom right corner I planted 2 of them in the same container(not such a good idea I know but thats what it is!!) and after transplant they were no longer tall and skinny! now it's clear! hehe
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I dont know if you can see here in the first pics I had a few small containers kickin around, not sure you can see on picture but some were borderline tall and skinny, and then you can see in the second pic in the bottom right corner I planted 2 of them in the same container(not such a good idea I know but thats what it is!!) and after transplant they were no longer tall and skinny! now it's clear! hehe
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PSUAGRO.
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Alright Enduroxx.........you're a great grower without question, and like me you switched to leds from hids for the summer(?)..............so I smoked a little(lie!) and have realized that I've been over thinking my grow due to the led light and cocco mix........yeah their new to me, so I'm acting like my first HID grows as a kid( i adjusted that shit a hundred times a week
).......I will not mess with this grow anymore(unless i see major stunting/stretching)....I'm not changing anything till needed----height of the light, keeping it at 15"(no response from hans/i'm on my own)/ph/rh/no added nutes/additives/light additions/etc...........yes i will be putting the girls deeper tomorrow(more roots for the win) with my aerated water(no ph adjustment!fuck it) and will let nature take it's course...............all my conditions are within acceptable ranges.............So just K.I.S.S. it!!!!
edit: Yeah first time from seed in a lonnnnggg time......part of the issue too, but i think it will work out hopefully......be safe and happy growing
).......I will not mess with this grow anymore(unless i see major stunting/stretching)....I'm not changing anything till needed----height of the light, keeping it at 15"(no response from hans/i'm on my own)/ph/rh/no added nutes/additives/light additions/etc...........yes i will be putting the girls deeper tomorrow(more roots for the win) with my aerated water(no ph adjustment!fuck it) and will let nature take it's course...............all my conditions are within acceptable ranges.............So just K.I.S.S. it!!!!edit: Yeah first time from seed in a lonnnnggg time......part of the issue too, but i think it will work out hopefully......be safe and happy growing
PSUAGRO.
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DAY 8..................#1
watered and lowered...........#2
watered and lowered................that's it
Light at 15 inches.................Still believe the cocco mix will self adjust the ph..........not doing anything except water in 4-5days.....be safe and happy growing....
watered and lowered...........#2 watered and lowered................that's itLight at 15 inches.................Still believe the cocco mix will self adjust the ph..........not doing anything except water in 4-5days.....be safe and happy growing....
The Dawg
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Now Your On THE Right Track Brother PSUAGRO.Just Remeber Node Spacing Will Tell ya If Your Light Is Too Close Or Too High.Peace And Have A Beautiful WeekendAlright Enduroxx.........you're a great grower without question, and like me you switched to leds from hids for the summer(?)..............so I smoked a little(lie!) and have realized that I've been over thinking my grow due to the led light and cocco mix........yeah their new to me, so I'm acting like my first HID grows as a kid( i adjusted that shit a hundred times a week
edit: Yeah first time from seed in a lonnnnggg time......part of the issue too, but i think it will work out hopefully......be safe and happy growing
PSUAGRO.
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You have a great weekend also brother Dawg and take care of Lucy........thanks for the adviceNow Your On THE Right Track Brother PSUAGRO.Just Remeber Node Spacing Will Tell ya If Your Light Is Too Close Or Too High.Peace And Have A Beautiful Weekend
DAY 9.......................#1
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.........................BlahPanel at 15 inches above canopy(lol)..growth phase(23w)............No signs of lockout/toxicity/ph issues IMO, I'm stumped at the slow growth..........Thinking about borrowing my buddy's blue lab ph soil tester for the next watering just to confirm my readings............may cut the light to 20/4, but it's just a hunch.......be safe and happy growing..........
BTW I swear to god I saw a fungus gnat when I moved the pots for the pics.........fantastic
cannabuilding
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For some reason i've always noticed that seedling take off faster in smaller containers filled with coco (seedling trays/containers) and let them reach rootbound, and then transfer them to a larger container. But when planting the seed into a large container, the growth is sickly, coco take to long to dry out. This is what i've noticed with the setup im running, i also found its beneficial to let the coco dry out once everyweek (dont water for a day) only when the plant has not completely rooted into the medium.
Peace to all and happy growing
Peace to all and happy growing
PSUAGRO.
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Yes great info Canna..............But I like to keep shit simple(always have) and don't like adding steps to the grow that are unnecessary and add stress to the plant (transplanting)/ I am watering them based on their size(small amount) ........In hindsight I really created a stupid situation by going with AFs to save 50bucks on great photoperiod seeds that would have given me ample time to adjust to these new variables ..............oh well live and learn............Thanks grower
DAY 10......................#1
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...............just grow bitches!!! haLight at 15 inches................no adjustments..................be safe and happy growing
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Endur0xX
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From what I am seeing in my garden (it's soil not coco) plants benefits greatly to be in bigger container early on. I like to start them in tiny container, then when they are about the size yours are right now psuagro is when I transplant, usually, at that moment they need a few days to recover from transplant and they take off. My biggest plants so far (12/12 from seeds....) were put in 7 gallons container very early on. It is easier to start them in small container I find...
What light did you have before psuagro?
I meant to test lights in the past (FERO vs Blackstar/diamond, Blackstar vs HSS) but could never justified my lost (in yield), are you gonna get something out of this if you succeed? Is it that you want to know for yourself if the panel really delivers? I just can't imagine you can get a decent yield out of so little wattage (relative to how much how I smoke, not grams per watt) and having to wait all those months and all that work! hehe
When I started with LEDs I had 2 cabinets (I failed miserably in the first one, I learned that small containers and supersoil don't go together haha) and I even had one that was split in half to compare 2 lights ... after a few weeks I thought fuck this, removed the separation just so the plants would get more light. In the end, after a few grows it don't matter whether you mixed up your panels, you'll have a good idea of the one you like. I have my doubts on the HSS but is definitely great side light, but I wouldnt recommend it to anyone just because I don't really know whether it works well or not as main light source.
So yeah I guess it's nice to have someone testing the panels!
What light did you have before psuagro?
I meant to test lights in the past (FERO vs Blackstar/diamond, Blackstar vs HSS) but could never justified my lost (in yield), are you gonna get something out of this if you succeed? Is it that you want to know for yourself if the panel really delivers? I just can't imagine you can get a decent yield out of so little wattage (relative to how much how I smoke, not grams per watt) and having to wait all those months and all that work! hehe
When I started with LEDs I had 2 cabinets (I failed miserably in the first one, I learned that small containers and supersoil don't go together haha) and I even had one that was split in half to compare 2 lights ... after a few weeks I thought fuck this, removed the separation just so the plants would get more light. In the end, after a few grows it don't matter whether you mixed up your panels, you'll have a good idea of the one you like. I have my doubts on the HSS but is definitely great side light, but I wouldnt recommend it to anyone just because I don't really know whether it works well or not as main light source.
So yeah I guess it's nice to have someone testing the panels!
The Dawg
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Looks Like Your A/F Is Right On Track Brother PSUAGO.I Noticed In My A/F Grow As Well As Other Journals I Studied That They Dont Show Much Growth In Their So Called Veg Stage.Come The 3-4th Week Its On Like Donkey Kong.Also I Only Found 3 A/F That suggest A 24/0 Light Schedule .So Do Your Seed Research To See Whats Recommended.Peace and Get Off The Bus 
puffenuff
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Might just be the angle of the pics but to me it looks like they've grown out their leaves some. It's been a while since I did any autos but I remember having a bitch of a time with them too, especially getting them to flower/finish flowering - had to drop down to 18/6 then eventually 12/12 but I think it was the style of autos from the breeder (kannabia). Trust in the wisdom of the dawg, the next couple weeks is when you'll probably start to see the growth.
PSUAGRO.
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Yo brother endurroX.......What hids??(This my first led panel/had a progrow 180 for a week) ran two 250w and two 400w switchable magnetic all in ones(remote ballasts are finiky with cmh bulbs).....To run philips retrowhite CMH, last year we converted to the Energy advantage cmh bulbs/ runs on mag mh ballasts only, same lumen output and spectra with a 25% energy/heat reduction! their awesome............yeah I'm just doing this for fun/personal use and no it's going to be enough smoke for meFrom what I am seeing in my garden (it's soil not coco) plants benefits greatly to be in bigger container early on. I like to start them in tiny container, then when they are about the size yours are right now psuagro is when I transplant, usually, at that moment they need a few days to recover from transplant and they take off. My biggest plants so far (12/12 from seeds....) were put in 7 gallons container very early on. It is easier to start them in small container I find...
What light did you have before psuagro?
I meant to test lights in the past (FERO vs Blackstar/diamond, Blackstar vs HSS) but could never justified my lost (in yield), are you gonna get something out of this if you succeed? Is it that you want to know for yourself if the panel really delivers? I just can't imagine you can get a decent yield out of so little wattage (relative to how much how I smoke, not grams per watt) and having to wait all those months and all that work! hehe
When I started with LEDs I had 2 cabinets (I failed miserably in the first one, I learned that small containers and supersoil don't go together haha) and I even had one that was split in half to compare 2 lights ... after a few weeks I thought fuck this, removed the separation just so the plants would get more light. In the end, after a few grows it don't matter whether you mixed up your panels, you'll have a good idea of the one you like. I have my doubts on the HSS but is definitely great side light, but I wouldnt recommend it to anyone just because I don't really know whether it works well or not as main light source.
So yeah I guess it's nice to have someone testing the panels!
....thanksYeah dawg.......gonna need your advice on af's brother......don't know shit about them..........will check Nirvana's site for info........good looking outLooks Like Your A/F Is Right On Track Brother PSUAGO.I Noticed In My A/F Grow As Well As Other Journals I Studied That They Dont Show Much Growth In Their So Called Veg Stage.Come The 3-4th Week Its On Like Donkey Kong.Also I Only Found 3 A/F That suggest A 24/0 Light Schedule .So Do Your Seed Research To See Whats Recommended.Peace and Get Off The Bus
All I can think of is your blueberry girls atm
........Anyways brother puff yeah they've grown but at a snails pace IMO/ hopefully they flower but it is a Nirvana strain(cough/stolen genetics/cough)and yeah I trust Dawg's skills......im just gonna sit back and not stress unless their is a major issue.......Thanks for all the great advice fella growers.............be safe.......
cannabuilding
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Hey PSUAGRO, didnt mean no disrespect on your technique, I am using the exact same technique, and your little babies are looking nice green and healthy.
I find its best to water around the seedling which im sure thats how you're watering them, as long as the pot is light from heavy between waterings, the roots will hit the edge of the container and growth will start to shoot out everywhere.
Happy growing, be safe and peace to all.
I find its best to water around the seedling which im sure thats how you're watering them, as long as the pot is light from heavy between waterings, the roots will hit the edge of the container and growth will start to shoot out everywhere.
Happy growing, be safe and peace to all.
PSUAGRO.
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Hey PSUAGRO, didnt mean no disrespect on your technique, I am using the exact same technique, and your little babies are looking nice green and healthy.
I find its best to water around the seedling which im sure thats how you're watering them, as long as the pot is light from heavy between waterings, the roots will hit the edge of the container and growth will start to shoot out everywhere.QUOTE]
No worries Canna, I'm the last person who would feel disrespected
DAY 11.....................#1........annnnnddddd...............................#2
.............Stubborn indeed......
Light at 15 inches, Growth phase(23w)....................starting Co2/co enrichment today, four hour burn time........will see how it does........
So I emailed Nirvana through their weedportal(dumb) about their autos and a 24/0 light schedule being appropriate for them(it should IMO)...........So glancing around I came up on their germination page which states that soaking their seeds in water is NOT recommended due to the fact that their seeds are so "FRESH" it could cause rot..........hahahaha that's the funniest shit I ever read!!(its just softening the husk for the taproot to penetrate easier/whatever gypsy)..........They actually don't fully approve many known(proven successful) germination techniques rather they say that for full success you should buy their germination kits( ha obviously)........hilarious........will see how they reply...........
Maybe gnats or not.......either way I captured a small spider in my living room and put it in the sealed room/ hope it webs me some natural traps lol/doubt it, the light will probably piss it off
The Dawg
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Nirvana Auto's Good Luck.I Have Tried Many Different Ways And Methods Of Germanation.Here's What Has Proven To Be 100 Percent Idiot Proof.Wet A Paper Towel Fold In 1/4 Place Seeds In The Middle Place Wet Paper Towel In Zip Lock Bag Leave An End Open And Place In A Dark Place.Mine's In My Sock Drawer .Here's Pic's Of Two Seed That Were Started 24 Hours Ago.
