captainmorgan
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I'm in,I skimmed over the thread and wondered if there are any efficiency numbers or Par/umole readings or did I miss them.
Testing InnoLed's 120w horticultural led fixture= Let there be warm white/ high cri light!:)
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PSUAGRO.
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I was gonna run it HID bare-bulb style/trained in a circle.........wouldn't have hit the walls IMO.See how you're not lighting the walls now? Was there a difference in room temp with the lens on or off? Or did you forget to test that?
No I didn't test the room heat levels.......wouldn't matter as outside temps(not controlled
) have a big effect on my "grow room" until ac gets turned on.grab a seat.....................hasn't even really started
Didn't miss the #s friend..........I have no idea
stardustsailor
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No....Not just you ...
See to me those two pix say it all. That first one is lighting your room, the second your plants. IDK is it just me?
I can see that ,too ...
PSUAGRO,I think Fran's right ,afterall ...
Most probably the lens,is a 'keepers' thing ...
Cheers .
MrFlux
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120W in, 10000 lumen out, so the efficacy is a paltry 83 lm/W.
In my cursory assessment of Innoled as a company, it's four guys, mostly in marketing, that take a studio light COB, screw it to a heatsink and target it at the gullible Cannabis growing market.
spazatak
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you maybe be right but if they want to target themselves to MJ growers they are going to need to produce some stats. Their website blows...
PSUAGRO.
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See to me those two pix say it all. That first one is lighting your room, the second your plants. IDK is it just me?
I don't care what anyone says.............I rather take the losses at the reflector or none going bareNo....Not just you ...
I can see that ,too ...
PSUAGRO,I think Fran's right ,afterall ...
Most probably the lens,is a 'keepers' thing ...
Cheers .
That's the way is goes in here............better be prepared for skepticism when dealing with expensive gear, which I agree with.Let the bashing begin
I'm not sweating it because I'm not selling shit..........I just get to try something new
LOL........yes my initial thought as well, but their all about the spectrum being their advantage. Is lm/w important with "white" sources?? YES IMO...................will see, NOT claiming it's magic disco
cree household bulbs are around the same efficiency if I'm not mistaken?, and CM had one of the most impressive grows on here, granted side lighting had a big factor in it.
Let's not even get started on the canna fert market!! ha
Absolutely correct.............
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we respect that. We expect constructive criticism from this knowledgeable community when we decided to do this test. One thing I have to disagree with Mrflux is that this community is far from being gullible. Everyone here is guru in this specialized field.
Once again our website is being updated with new chip design and spec. The new site will be up and running soon. Our new chip specs for 1W is 120 lumens "real world" tested by third party laboratory.
As far as the lens go... you want the light to go where it's beneficial to the plants, not to the walls. If you're paying for each watt, you want to make sure you get the most out of it.
The show just barely got started, everyone just need to relax and let the light and PSUAGRO do his thing. I will answer any legitimate questions at the end of the show.
BTW…Very impressive room and grow Mrflux!
Once again our website is being updated with new chip design and spec. The new site will be up and running soon. Our new chip specs for 1W is 120 lumens "real world" tested by third party laboratory.
As far as the lens go... you want the light to go where it's beneficial to the plants, not to the walls. If you're paying for each watt, you want to make sure you get the most out of it.
The show just barely got started, everyone just need to relax and let the light and PSUAGRO do his thing. I will answer any legitimate questions at the end of the show.
BTW…Very impressive room and grow Mrflux!
Petflora - We use high-end glass lens, it will not deteriorate over the life of the LED. Yes, reflector is good but it cuts down vertical space for some farmers. For commercial WH farmers it's not a problem for them. The lumen lost with a lens on is about 5-7%.
We offer 300w and now 500w. Can you imagine a 120 degree reflector on a heat sink that size?
We offer 300w and now 500w. Can you imagine a 120 degree reflector on a heat sink that size?
PetFlora
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Petflora - We use high-end glass lens, it will not deteriorate over the life of the LED. Yes, reflector is good but it cuts down vertical space for some farmers. For commercial WH farmers it's not a problem for them. The lumen lost with a lens on is about 5-7%.
We offer 300w and now 500w. Can you imagine a 120 degree reflector on a heat sink that size?
Such attention to details helps to define you, so make sure they are front and center in your specs/marketing
PSUAGRO.
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Well said............AND I also find mr flux's work impressiveEveryone is entitled to their opinion and we respect that. We expect constructive criticism from this knowledgeable community when we decided to do this test. One thing I have to disagree with Mrflux is that this community is far from being gullible. Everyone here is guru in this specialized field.
Once again our website is being updated with new chip design and spec. The new site will be up and running soon. Our new chip specs for 1W is 120 lumens "real world" tested by third party laboratory.
As far as the lens go... you want the light to go where it's beneficial to the plants, not to the walls. If you're paying for each watt, you want to make sure you get the most out of it.
The show just barely got started, everyone just need to relax and let the light and PSUAGRO do his thing. I will answer any legitimate questions at the end of the show.
BTW…Very impressive room and grow Mrflux!
..........waiting on his HSO BD results, which should be spectacular with the right phenos.I can confirm that they are in fact a GLASS secondary lens
Alright time to get this started, had a couple hiccups with heat/ dried out mediums with cups removed (I have a life too!!
)..........going into this with 6-8 plants , probably 6
. I can also confirm that peakseeds blueberry(cross) is not easy to germ and needs help removing it's shell.so today I flip the switch to 12/12 ,some had a 4-5 day start under 120w innoled fixture:
.....last pics are the two that needed help, and the other two under the cups got dried out and hoping for a comeback; 2 dead for sure(shriveled tap-root). I DON"T want low plant #s with regs, but nothing to do about it now. I see no stretching and good spacing ATM. Their is a slight lean from all of them towards the light, looks like rotating pots will be my new pastime
............day 1 of 12/12.............be safe and happy growing RIU
stardustsailor
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Petflora - We use high-end glass lens, it will not deteriorate over the life of the LED. Yes, reflector is good but it cuts down vertical space for some farmers. For commercial WH farmers it's not a problem for them. The lumen lost with a lens on is about 5-7%.
We offer 300w and now 500w. Can you imagine a 120 degree reflector on a heat sink that size?
Type of optical glass used ,please ,for confirmation of claim.
Judging from the len's curvature,it's a type of glass with low refraction index ..
And it must withstand heat ,without cracking or chipping ...
Like Schott BOROFLOAT™ or Corning Pyrex 7740®....
It can be also S-FSL5,N-BK7,N-K5,B270/S1,Schott Zerodur®,N-SK11,
N-BaK4 or N-BaK1 .....
http://www.edmundoptics.com/technical-resources-center/optics/optical-glass/
5-7% lumen lost ,is a pretty low figure ...
(Specially for that kind of thickness involved. )
So,of which glass type are those lenses made ?
Cococola36
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damn sds , a magician couldn't sneak a quarter behind your ear! lol your good with your research all jokes aside
spazatak
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dude you really need to be called "the nutty professor"...change your username man...
stardustsailor
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Well...
Sometimes is the other way around ,actually ...
"Why is it that everybody understands me,
yet nobody likes me ? "
Cheers.
Sometimes is the other way around ,actually ...
"Why is it that everybody understands me,
yet nobody likes me ? "
Cheers.
SDS - I appreciate your attention to details, knowledge, and taking the time to do your homework. We welcome all questions but please be fair with some of the questions that you ask. I don't have the time to answer all the questions regarding the components that make up our LED lights. I hope you understand, but just to satisfy your thrust for knowledge about our products. We use Bicom optics for our lens, one of the largest in Asia. Pretty much all the largest LED companies under the sun uses them. You can check them out here.
http://www.bicomoptics.com/Index.asp
I just want to reiterate, what we specialized in is our patented LED light engine, the most important component of the light. Everything else is just a shell, those shell can be outsource any where. We try to give the end user a great product at a competitive price by choosing every component wisely, performance vs cost.
http://www.bicomoptics.com/Index.asp
I just want to reiterate, what we specialized in is our patented LED light engine, the most important component of the light. Everything else is just a shell, those shell can be outsource any where. We try to give the end user a great product at a competitive price by choosing every component wisely, performance vs cost.
PSUAGRO - Thanks for the updated pics. Something you should consider as your ladies grows bigger. Don't be afraid to keep the light closer to the plants. Our LED's doesn't generate that much heat so you can keep it as close as 3" to the plants without leaf burn, just as long as you have enough coverage. Adjust the light as you see fit.
stardustsailor
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I'll be as fair to you as possible.
But first comes the loyalty to the community.
So please ,be fair with me also.
A new kid on the block ,has to be tested ...
Ok ...
About the glass lens used .
P ,can measure it's thickness and diameter (x/ y radius ) ....
Still ..5-7 % is way low even for glass ...
To be honest ,I was not aware of Bicom optics ....
Germany ,has a long history in manufacturing optical glass and lenses ...
One manufacturer ,renown for high-quality led glass lenses is
Moulded Optics .
http://www.mouldedoptics.com/index.php
Anyway ...
Three types of glass are used as optical led lens material ....
Schott B270 Super White( most common / Standard glass ) :
(...) In most cases, B270 will be the best choice. It is a very high
quality optical glass at a very good price. Its thermal
expansion rate lies within a good range, but not as good as
that of Borosilicate glass.(...)
(...)B270 Superwhite by Schott is a high quality
optical glass with an excellent transmission in long wavelengths.
has specialised in manufacturing aspherical lenses,
mirrors, prims, and other components from this glass, using a blank moulding process.(...)
http://psec.uchicago.edu/glass/Schott B270 Properties - Knight Optical.pdf
~ 8% losses at best case ,with this type of glass...
Schott F2
If you need a very high refraction index, F2 will be a good
choice. It is a special optical glass at a much higher price( > x 10 )
as B270 or Borosilicate glass, and is thus not a standard glass
in stock.
High-quality optical glass, by Schott,
with a high refraction index.
The expansion index is a little bit better
then the index of B270, but the price of
F2 is much higher.
So, F2 is the best glass where a much
higher refraction index than B270 is a
must.
http://www.schott.com/advanced_optics/us/abbe_datasheets/schott_datasheet_all_us.pdf
~ 0.1 % losses at best case ,with this type of glass...
Borosilicate glass
If you require a very low thermal expansion rate combined
with a mid-range refraction index, Borosilicate glass will be the first
choice. The price of this glass lies between that of B270 and F2. Half ball
lenses of Borosilicate glass are not available from stock.
Comparable, known glass types are
Duran/ Borofloat by Schott or Pyrex 7740 by Corning.
Thermal expansion index of Borosilicate
glass is close the index of ceramics. The refraction index of Borosilicate glass is
close to the index of plastic. They fulfill RoHS and WEEE.
http://www.schott.com/uk/english/download/schott_techn_glaeser_e_2007.pdf
8-15 % losses at best case ,with this type of glass...
About same for Pyrex 7740 ...
http://www.uqgoptics.com/materials_commercial_corning_pyrexBorosilicate.aspx
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