The Trade war between the US and Communist China

abandonconflict

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hotrodharley said:
“China’s purchases of agricultural products from the United States have “no direct link” to the agreement to resume face-to-face trade talks next week in Shanghai, but rather reflects commercial decisions by individual Chinese buyers, the Ministry of Commerce said on Thursday.”

Read this entire article. The Chinese play the long game. Trump will be gone in less than 6 years and that’s only if he’s re-elected.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3020455/us-china-trade-talks-collapse-was-not-normal-says-veteran-us
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I used to read quite a bit of the material from scmp but ever since Jack Ma bought it I have started to see just enough to make me suspicious of their bias. It's well concealed. I'm just saying that maybe the CCP wants Americans reading this.
 
hotrodharley

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abandonconflict said:
I used to read quite a bit of the material from scmp but ever since Jack Ma bought it I have started to see just enough to make me suspicious of their bias. It's well concealed. I'm just saying that maybe the CCP wants Americans reading this.
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I’m sure they do but look at the facts included. Especially the change in negotiatiors for China.
 
abandonconflict

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hotrodharley said:
I’m sure they do but look at the facts included. Especially the change in negotiatiors for China.
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They also tried to use Duterte to get us into a military campaign on their terms. They want us to attack them so that they will have a defensive posture in the coming war. It's a hard position for an inferior military that wants to expand their borders.
 
hotrodharley

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abandonconflict said:
They also tried to use Duterte to get us into a military campaign on their terms. They want us to attack them so that they will have a defensive posture in the coming war. It's a hard position for an inferior military that wants to expand their borders.
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They can have an inferior military so long as they’re fighting a defensive war. No stretching out around the world. Fighting on your home turf defending it really enthuses a lot of fence sitters.

Further do some reading about military recruitment issues that the USA has already. Combine those low numbers with Trump wanting non-citizens, gays, trannies out of an already diminished force and see if you feel totally comfortable that we’ll handle the Chinese over there.
 
abandonconflict

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hotrodharley said:
They can have an inferior military so long as they’re fighting a defensive war. No stretching out around the world. Fighting on your home turf defending it really enthuses a lot of fence sitters.

Further do some reading about military recruitment issues that the USA has already. Combine those low numbers with Trump wanting non-citizens, gays, trannies out of an already diminished force and see if you feel totally comfortable that we’ll handle the Chinese over there.
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I'm honestly not the least bit impressed with the communist military. They can't even invade Taiwan. They are bullying the Philippines and even crossed the Sulu with the Liaoning unannounced. If they don't fight in the next 5 years Japan will out match them. The US would handily destroy the PLA navy in a matter of hours and as long as we don't try to land ground forces it would be pretty one-sided.
 
Grandpapy

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Why aren't we subsidizing Corporations and spreading Democracy in Africa?

Anyone see an "on ramp"?
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trump has been compromised and Exxon's future lies with Russia.
 
abandonconflict

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I enjoyed Nepal. Just arrived in Thailand a couple of days ago. I got this piece of charas within minutes of arriving at my hotel in Thamel. I paid 1500 rupees for it (almost $15 US) and it was just superb. It was 10 grams and burned nicely in a little wooden pipe. I went through four of these in two weeks.

I saw weed growing wild everywhere I went except for Everest Base Camp. I got some kashmir too.
 
hotrodharley

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So talks went absolutely nowhere. The Chump administration had short notice and little preparation for meeting with a new Chinese negotiator. This guy’s name was known though and worldwide observers quickly opined that his presence signaled a different approach by China which started with no more one sided concessions. Again they play the long game. They’re in it to win it. Now no talks until September.

Prepare to hear about even more payouts to “farmers”. With 10% of “farmers” collecting 80% of these funds and the average family farmer receiving only $5000 total we’ll see more bankruptcies. The Fed is now in a defensive position and will cut rates this week to try to stanch the bleeding. Wealthy investors welcome these cuts. They won’t do shit for farmers.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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hotrodharley said:
So talks went absolutely nowhere. The Chump administration had short notice and little preparation for meeting with a new Chinese negotiator. This guy’s name was known though and worldwide observers quickly opined that his presence signaled a different approach by China which started with no more one sided concessions. Again they play the long game. They’re in it to win it. Now no talks until September.

Prepare to hear about even more payouts to “farmers”. With 10% of “farmers” collecting 80% of these funds and the average family farmer receiving only $5000 total we’ll see more bankruptcies. The Fed is now in a defensive position and will cut rates this week to try to stanch the bleeding. Wealthy investors welcome these cuts. They won’t do shit for farmers.
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I'd rather see big sales of military equipment to Taiwan than a trade deal with the CCP while Trump is still in office. We need an adult to go make things right in Asia. Put some pressure on Duterte and raise morale in the US sphere of influence. Stop trying to play both sides with India and Pakistan. Foster a stronger ASEAN with Japan making more cars for them. Basically get back on the track that Barack Obama was on with his pivot to Asia.
 
Grandpapy

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hotrodharley said:
So talks went absolutely nowhere. The Chump administration had short notice and little preparation for meeting with a new Chinese negotiator. This guy’s name was known though and worldwide observers quickly opined that his presence signaled a different approach by China which started with no more one sided concessions. Again they play the long game. They’re in it to win it. Now no talks until September.

Prepare to hear about even more payouts to “farmers”. With 10% of “farmers” collecting 80% of these funds and the average family farmer receiving only $5000 total we’ll see more bankruptcies. The Fed is now in a defensive position and will cut rates this week to try to stanch the bleeding. Wealthy investors welcome these cuts. They won’t do shit for farmers.
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The long game is going into the third quarter.

2017
Foreign Investors Are Snapping Up US Farms
Often, when a foreign investor buys up land, the local population loses farming rights, which can lead to people losing their homes, livelihoods, and access to resources like water. (like in NC)
https://www.motherjones.com/food/2017/08/foreign-investors-are-snapping-up-us-farms/
 
hotrodharley

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“US President Donald Trump announced on Thursday that he will impose new tariffs on US$300 billion worth of Chinese imports following a high-level trade mission that, Trump said, produced too little in terms of concessions from Beijing.

US customs will impose “a small, additional” levy of 10 per cent on the imports, starting on September 1.

“China agreed to buy agricultural product from the US in large quantities, but did not do so,” the US leader said in a series of tweets.”

Watch the stock market love this.


https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3021066/donald-trump-says-us-hit-us300-billion-worth-chinese-goods-10-cent
 
hotrodharley

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“The Tariff Man is back. President Donald Trump's newly proposed tariffs on China would be particularly bad news for US consumers.

Investors sold off well-known retail and tech stocks in response, because they would get hit hardest by the additional tariffs.

"Tariffs are taxes on American consumers," said Rick Helfenbein, president and CEO of the American Apparel & Footwear Association. "The president's decision to proceed with adding these additional costs for hard-working American families is truly shocking."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/investing/stocks-retail-tech-tariffs/index.html
 
hotrodharley

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“China said on Friday it would not “give an inch” by offering trade concessions to the United States and promised to retaliate if Donald Trump went ahead with his threat to impose more tariffs.

Both the foreign and commerce ministries said the US would have to “bear all the consequences”and demanded more sincerity from Washington if negotiations were to continue following the president’s latest announcement, which caught many in Beijing off guard.”

Watch him call their bluff. He can’t back off now and look weak or defeated. World markets reacting for the second day losing ground. I love it.
 
abandonconflict

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He can't achieve a win with China. He should focus on arming Asian countries, Taiwan in particular. Let the next president fix what he broke. Huge sales of military equipment to Taiwan, including attack subs and thaads. Same for Japan.
 
abandonconflict

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The Chinese don't want a trade deal. They want the US to attack them in the SCS. They want us to walk into their kill zone. They think they can goad us into attacking them on their terms. Their capacity for offensive military movements is very limited. They can't even invade Taiwan.

They won't attack fonops. They need commercial traffic. They need Grey hulls to attack artificial islands.
 
hotrodharley

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“The Fed cut interest rates this week for the first time in nearly 11 years, effectively lowering the odds of a recession in the United States. Just 24 hours later, Trump raised those odds by vowing to unleash tariffs on $300 billion of US imports from China, which will for the first time directly impact American shoppers.

The new front in the trade war will only add to the downturn in manufacturing spanning the globe. It will further dent shaky business confidence and could even puncture the optimism among consumers. In short, little good can come from these new tariffs — and the ensuing retaliation from Beijing.”


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/business/trump-trade-war-economy-china/index.html

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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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hotrodharley said:
“The Fed cut interest rates this week for the first time in nearly 11 years, effectively lowering the odds of a recession in the United States. Just 24 hours later, Trump raised those odds by vowing to unleash tariffs on $300 billion of US imports from China, which will for the first time directly impact American shoppers.

The new front in the trade war will only add to the downturn in manufacturing spanning the globe. It will further dent shaky business confidence and could even puncture the optimism among consumers. In short, little good can come from these new tariffs — and the ensuing retaliation from Beijing.”


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/business/trump-trade-war-economy-china/index.html

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He's an idiot. We already know what Beijing fears. They fear that the US will kill huawei and that we will arm Taiwan to the teeth. Those are the important squares on the chess board.
 
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