abandonconflict
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OH right, bernie is happy to appeal to racists...
The Trade war between the US and Communist China
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UncleBuck
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take a screenshot of where your source says bernie is averaging 20% right now then. i'll wait
your source also says bernie would lose to biden in a heads up battle by 40 points
abandonconflict
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Not going anywhere for a while?
abandonconflict
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Back to the regularly programed therad:
Last time I was in Shanghai, setting up a VPN in order to bypass the great firewall so that I could use the internet, I mean the real internet that the world is connected to, not the communist intranet, I was already thinking about how the west should ban the tech companies owned by the CCP. at the time, I had a hwawei phone which I liked, it was cheap, nice and Google and Facebook worked flawlessly on it (outside of the communist shit hole). What didn't work, was the VPN.
No matter what I did, I couldn't connect to the (real) internet. You see, China had banned some of the biggest tech companies in the United States and they have been banned there for years. The purpose of this is censorship. They don't want their subjects to have access to information. Truth is a national security threat to the CCP. They don't want people outside of their dystopian empire to know what atrocious persecution they visit upon the Uighur or Tibetan peoples.
You can't even find Winnie the Pooh in the Chinese intranet. Well that may seem harmless until you consider how free they are to propagandize in the US.
Now I will demonstrate why the US is just a better country and why we are lucky to have a bill of rights, even if those rights are at times violated, even systematically based on race.
The demonstration: fuck Donald Trump.
Posted from my Xiaomi phone in Vietnam.
Last time I was in Shanghai, setting up a VPN in order to bypass the great firewall so that I could use the internet, I mean the real internet that the world is connected to, not the communist intranet, I was already thinking about how the west should ban the tech companies owned by the CCP. at the time, I had a hwawei phone which I liked, it was cheap, nice and Google and Facebook worked flawlessly on it (outside of the communist shit hole). What didn't work, was the VPN.
No matter what I did, I couldn't connect to the (real) internet. You see, China had banned some of the biggest tech companies in the United States and they have been banned there for years. The purpose of this is censorship. They don't want their subjects to have access to information. Truth is a national security threat to the CCP. They don't want people outside of their dystopian empire to know what atrocious persecution they visit upon the Uighur or Tibetan peoples.
You can't even find Winnie the Pooh in the Chinese intranet. Well that may seem harmless until you consider how free they are to propagandize in the US.
Now I will demonstrate why the US is just a better country and why we are lucky to have a bill of rights, even if those rights are at times violated, even systematically based on race.
The demonstration: fuck Donald Trump.
Posted from my Xiaomi phone in Vietnam.
abandonconflict
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It must be a sore spot for Beijing that Vietnam would rather do business with Uncle Sam than with them.
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/opinion/us-vietnam-strategic-partners-in-all-but-name/
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/opinion/us-vietnam-strategic-partners-in-all-but-name/
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Rob Roy
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If you didn't need my services should you be forcibly compelled to buy them ?
If you did need services similar to the ones I offer, should you be forcibly compelled to buy them from me or should you have the opportunity to get them from somebody you chose ?
Being nice? Yes, that's important because when you forcibly compel people to buy something from you, you're not being nice are you?
As an aside I don't need or want most of the so called "services" from my to town, but I'd happily pay the owner(s) of the roads to be able to use them.
If I sold tomatoes, squash and potatoes, but you only wanted potatoes, should I make you buy them all, even though you were allergic to one of them ? What right do I have to make you buy anything ?
How many lick does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop ? (just checking to see if you've read this far)
What your really saying is, "that's the way we've always done it and it's okay to force people to buy things they don't need or want". Except you don't like the way that sounds so you refrain from addressing it.
Rob Roy
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I realize that may be one of your favorite fantasies, but it makes me feel kind of dirty knowing what goes on in your venereal mind.
abandonconflict
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Well Vietnam was cool but now for my first visit to Laos. It was to be a 24 hour journey from start to finish including stops at places to conduct biomatter and to cross the border at a town called Lao Bao. Getting a visa on arrival is surprisingly easy and fast. This was a very rushed trip through some of the most breathtaking scenery in South East Asia.
So, boarding the bus, I quickly found I was far too tall for the little berths on this "sleeper bus", let alone the one assigned to me. As we departed Da Nang, I found that nobody was in the berths all the way in the back, of which there are five on the bottom and five on top. I decided to sprawl out completely in the top rear berths and watch the scenery go by from the rear window. I don't think It would have been bearable otherwise, and will fly if ever there's a next time.
We arrived in Vientiane at 4am, 4 hours ahead of schedule. I have to say it's a fantastic first impression. The first thing I noticed is that very much unlike other countries in the region, the taxi drivers weren't pushy when I got off the bus. I was tired and hungry and wanted better weed than I was finding in Nam.
One of the taxi drivers approached me after I had a chance to piss and showed me his smartphone which had a map app open and pointing at a backpacker hostel. He says "eighty" (80k kip) which meant he wanted about 9 bucks to take me to the center of Vientiane about 5 miles away. Since I couldn't check into my hotel for another 10 hours I agreed. When we arrived, I asked if he could get me some ganja, made the little two finger gesture like hitting a roach and he smiled, apparently understood.
Mind you, I had no evidence that he knew any more English than "want ride hostel?", "eighty" and "OK". So he pulls out this bag of weed that was exactly like the good half of a Mexican brick from the 80s, and takes as much as he can with one hand and says "one-hundred". So I got this bag for about 11 bucks. I don't mind smoking regular weed with regular stems and regular seeds but I have to say, it's working. It's all flowers, fresh and clean and very little seeds apparently. I found one but it was a nice seed.
I'll head north soon.
So, boarding the bus, I quickly found I was far too tall for the little berths on this "sleeper bus", let alone the one assigned to me. As we departed Da Nang, I found that nobody was in the berths all the way in the back, of which there are five on the bottom and five on top. I decided to sprawl out completely in the top rear berths and watch the scenery go by from the rear window. I don't think It would have been bearable otherwise, and will fly if ever there's a next time.
We arrived in Vientiane at 4am, 4 hours ahead of schedule. I have to say it's a fantastic first impression. The first thing I noticed is that very much unlike other countries in the region, the taxi drivers weren't pushy when I got off the bus. I was tired and hungry and wanted better weed than I was finding in Nam.
One of the taxi drivers approached me after I had a chance to piss and showed me his smartphone which had a map app open and pointing at a backpacker hostel. He says "eighty" (80k kip) which meant he wanted about 9 bucks to take me to the center of Vientiane about 5 miles away. Since I couldn't check into my hotel for another 10 hours I agreed. When we arrived, I asked if he could get me some ganja, made the little two finger gesture like hitting a roach and he smiled, apparently understood.
Mind you, I had no evidence that he knew any more English than "want ride hostel?", "eighty" and "OK". So he pulls out this bag of weed that was exactly like the good half of a Mexican brick from the 80s, and takes as much as he can with one hand and says "one-hundred". So I got this bag for about 11 bucks. I don't mind smoking regular weed with regular stems and regular seeds but I have to say, it's working. It's all flowers, fresh and clean and very little seeds apparently. I found one but it was a nice seed.
I'll head north soon.
abandonconflict
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A couple of days ago was the 30 anniversary of the Tienanman Square Massacre in which the PLA (Chinese communist military) murdered thousands of unarmed students protesting the autocracy of the regime in favor of democracy.
abandonconflict
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Former solicitor general who led the Philippines to victory at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in regard to the South China Sea territorial dispute wants a tougher stand by Manila
The formerly gay (says he cured himself of his homosexuality) Philippine president would apparently prefer to wage a drug war characterized by extrajudicial killings than to assert the sovereignty of his country's territory. A recent bill to legalize medical cannabis made its way through both the lower and upper chambers of the country's legislative body to his desk. Despite his previous signals that he would support it, he shot it down.
https://amp.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/3013045/china-philippines-war-over-south-china-sea-yeah-right-duterte
The formerly gay (says he cured himself of his homosexuality) Philippine president would apparently prefer to wage a drug war characterized by extrajudicial killings than to assert the sovereignty of his country's territory. A recent bill to legalize medical cannabis made its way through both the lower and upper chambers of the country's legislative body to his desk. Despite his previous signals that he would support it, he shot it down.
abandonconflict
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3 PLA (Chinese communist navy) warships, unannounced show of force in Sydney Australia. Two in picture.
Fogdog
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He died the second time he faced down tanks. They ran over him.
abandonconflict
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Yeah that's part of the thing about it that people don't know. That iconic image conveys quintessence but most people don't know what actually happened. Protesters that survived often recount that the PLA began the crackdown the prior evening and killed perhaps tens of thousands of people through the night. All we really hear about are the 2600 who were mowed down by tanks and infantry and the many thousands of injured in the opening of the carnage. They had a nationwide movement on their hands which the communist party feared as an existential threat. They set out to put down a rebellion. Anyone found to be involved had to endure re-education. All of the credible observers and international coverage notes that the protesters were 100% non-violent.
Grandpapy
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Funny, I was thinking of recalling American Corporations from Chinese soil.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/09/china-up-to-one-million-detained/
They are too busy making money to see whats going on, otherwise they would be protesting, right?
abandonconflict
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Yeah, I have been following the situation in Xinjiang as best as I can for several years. China has also backed the Pakistani side of the Kashmir dispute for decades in order to connect eventually connect that part of their new silk road. The Pakistanis don't seem to mind what their ally does in Xinjiang.
abandonconflict
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An interesting article I read today that was written a couple of years ago. A common thread in the Chinese collective psyche seems to be this "century of humiliation" wherein "Western Powers" victimized the middle kingdom. We're reminded of the opium wars when we point out that China supplies Fentanyl to the US or tons of meth to the Philippines. We're apparently the target of revenge for the acts of the British Empire. I'm not talking about Trump's stupid approach to standing up to China or Chinese tourists shitting on sidewalks.
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2095707/great-tea-robbery-how-british-stole-chinas
Fogdog
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It is true that Hong Kong's independence as agreed upon in the treaty with Britain requires support by the international community.
During a trend towards right wing nationalism, it's hard to imagine world leaders taking an international view toward human rights. We are creating concentration camps inside our own borders. Trump doesn't care about Hong Kong. The US isn't going to help. Anybody who says Democrats are the same as Republicans are blind to the facts.
abandonconflict
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However, there are more than 2 million Hong Kongers clamouring for the international community to liberate them from China. That's a conservative estimate and already well above a quarter of the population. I'm not suggesting it's something the US navy should manage but the Chinese delegation to the G20 has demanded that it is not even mentioned as they consider it to be entirely an internal issue. You're right though, Trump can't be staring at Xi's feet while standing in that bullshit. Human rights were the first casualty of the trade dispute.
hotrodharley
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“China’s purchases of agricultural products from the United States have “no direct link” to the agreement to resume face-to-face trade talks next week in Shanghai, but rather reflects commercial decisions by individual Chinese buyers, the Ministry of Commerce said on Thursday.”
Read this entire article. The Chinese play the long game. Trump will be gone in less than 6 years and that’s only if he’s re-elected.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3020455/us-china-trade-talks-collapse-was-not-normal-says-veteran-us
Read this entire article. The Chinese play the long game. Trump will be gone in less than 6 years and that’s only if he’s re-elected.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3020455/us-china-trade-talks-collapse-was-not-normal-says-veteran-us