Thoughts on 2cb?

KillerBudz1 said:

Definition of psychedelic : Any psychoactive substance (such as LSD or psilocybin) which, when consumed, causes perceptual changes (sometimes erratic and uncontrollable), visual hallucination, and altered awareness of the body and mind; Of, containing or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered ...

quit hating seriously! just because it doesnt make you have visuals up the waazoo does not mean its not a psychedelic :facepalm:

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ndangerspecimen101 said:

People now, play nicely

No need to squabble over the definitive characteristics of a substance. 2c-b is either a beneficial substance to an individual or it's not, it's a solely personal objection; and nothing other. If I'm served correctly in Erowid 2c-b is subjected to the terms as a "Psychedelic Phenethylamine."

And to Sr Green, that Grape Ape got's you at a loss for words huh

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The Cryptkeeper said:

Aah come on. Don't tell me you missed the point as well Ndanger. Thoroughly disappointed.

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ndangerspecimen101 said:

My cat Oliver would be appalled by these pictures

I'll shit in me pants if I dropped a blotter of cid on the ground and he eat it... I'll never forgive myself!

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ndangerspecimen101 said:

Sorry but my conscious doesn't let me entertain those thoughts. A cat or dog's mind scope wouldn't be able to interpret LSD or any highly classified psychedelic the way us humans do... it's not the right thing to do.

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ANC said:

I've posted the link on here before, but animals lack the brain structures and development to have the kind of experiences we do, not to say, they don't feel something.

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Animals on Psychedelics: Survival of the Trippiest
Do animals do drugs? Every chance they get!
Published on December 29, 2010


There's a recent article in the Pharmaceutical Journal by Andrew Haynes that talks about the widespread use of psychedelics in the animal kingdom. Haynes' argument for explaining this behavior rests on the idea of boredom-—literally bored animals are seeking pharmacological stimulation, much in the same way that bored humans seek pharmaceutical stimulation—but there might be something else going on.
Since I cover this same topic in my latest book, "A Small Furry Prayer," rather than try to rewrite the material, I'm offering the following excerpt as a deeper explanation for the origins of the phenomena:

"In his 1983 book, From Chocolate to Morphine, University of Arizona physician Andrew Weil points out that children spin in circles to change their consciousness, while adults do the same thing with booze and drugs. So instinctive does this behavior appear that, Weil suspected, perhaps humans aren't the first species to actively pursue altered states . As it turns out, he was correct in his suspicions. In 2006, Jane Goodall and Marc Bekoff visited the Mona Chimpanzee Sanctuary in Spain. They met a chimp named Marco who dances during thunderstorms with such abandon that, as Bekoff explains it: "He appears to be in a trance." Goodall has witnessed other chimps, usually adult males, enacting the same rituals near waterfalls. According to an article Bekoff wrote for New Scientists : "She described a chimpanzee approaching one of these falls with slightly bristled hair, a sign of heightened arousal. ‘As he gets closer, and the roar of the waterfall gets louder, his pace quickens, his hair becomes fully erect, and upon reaching the stream he performs a magnificent display close to the foot of the falls,' she describes. ‘Standing upright, he sways rhythmically from foot to foot, stamping in the shallow, rushing water, picking up and hurling great rocks. Sometimes he climbs up slender vines that hang down from the trees high above and swings out into the spray of the falling water. This ‘waterfall dance' may last ten to fifteen minutes.'" But dancing, while an effective method for altering one's consciousness, is perhaps the long way round.

In October 2006, National Public Radio's All Things Considered considered Lady , a Cocker Spaniel spending a suspicious amount of time down by the backyard pond. "Lady would wander the area, disoriented and withdrawn, soporific and glassy-eyed," Laura Mirsch, Lady's owner, told NPR. Then there was that one night when Lady wouldn't come back. Eventually, she staggered back from the cattails and opened her mouth like she was going to throw up. She didn't throw up. Instead, recalls Mirsch, "out popped this disgusting toad." The toad was Bufo alvarius, a Colorado River toad whose skin contains two different tryptamines-the same psychoactive found in "magic mushrooms"-and licking Bufo produces heady hallucinations.

And toad tripping dogs are just the beginning. Everywhere scientists have looked, they have found animals who love to party. Bees stoned on orchid nectar, goats gobbling magic mushrooms, birds chomping marijuana seeds, rats on opium, also mice, lizards, flies, spiders and cockroaches on opium, elephants drunk on anything they can find-usually fermented fruit in a bog hole, but they're known to raid breweries in India as well-felines crazy for cat-nip, cows loco for loco grass, moths preferring the incredibly hallucinogenic datura flower, mandrills taking the even stronger iboga root.

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