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lol, no for real I'm gonna be a dad! HA crazy!!

Thundercat said:

lol, no for real I'm gonna be a dad! HA crazy!!

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wow interesting shit huh. my gfs preg but Im not going to be a dad.

Well I have really been wanting to get a TDS meter, and I couldn't spring for the water proof Hanna meter that has bee suggested to me. So for now, I got the Sunleaves TDS Essential Digital Test Pen. It was in my price reange, and I'm sure it will be better then no meter at all. I got some calibration solution, and a container of cloning gel. So I think I'm almost ready to be able to clone these girls once they take off for me!

Sounds good bro, post up some pics.
oh and CONGRATS!

say it aint so, you've created a monster ?? lol

Yep gonna be another "little cat" runnin around later this year!! so heres to it! puff.....
cough.....
puff....
pass...



So the plants are lookin great! I made a couple last clips tonight, but I think they are about ready. Another few days, and they should be exploding I think. They made nice progress today. Tomorrow, I'm gonna give them a watering of just water. I'm gonna water a little heavy, and sort of flush them a bit, the PP are still showing just a bit of some nute burn, I'm definitly not using any more of the compost shit in my soil. Its just to unpredictable, and hard to control. I'm also planning on going to hydro of some sort after this grow for sure. It seems simpler to control, and maintain. I like soil, but I've always wanted to go hydro.

I'm very pleased with the WW so far, its looking great, and the afghan, and mango are both looking very nice as well. You can really see the indica in all three of these plants. Its quite a contrast to how heavy of sativas some of my other plants are. It will be obvious in the pictures when I take them tomorrow.

I havn't even looked at my SA tray yet, I will tomorrow. It should be pretty well along by now I think. I'll also check my KS jars I myc transfered.

Now its all about the wait. With the kid coming now, we are gonna bump up the move to august if at all possible, I have to talk to the landlord stil. So I'm looking at one harvest window pretty much. I'm still gonna have the harvests sort of spread out over a month or 2 prolly. I'm getting a 400w combo light to veg with, and then near the end I'll add it to my 1000w for flowering when I really fill my tent. I decided I'm not gonna bother trying to have walking space in my tent, I'll just pull the plants out if I need to look at them or maybe I'll just leave a couple small paths. But I'm planning on filling my 5x8 tent. I'm really hoping to get 2lb. I'll have my 1000w for starters, then add the 400 once I put my scrogs in the tent. What do you guys think? Can I get my 2 lb.??? I'm gonna pack the tent with clones in 2liter bottles, then adding 2-4 scrogs with an air supply to the roots. Any suggestions? Thanks TC

GypsyBush said:

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you cloning or starting from seed?


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Thundercat said:

lol, no for real I'm gonna be a dad! HA crazy!!

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I know !

So are you cloning or starting from seed?

and uh... 1400 watts and a little care COULD give you upwards of 1400 grams, which is a hair over 3...

Even at 1/2 gram per watt you are still looking at 1.5...

So I say it is doable... and you will probably be right on target....

Now.. How is it that we are going to convince you to go hydro????

Ah Yes... constant nagging..... ebb/flow/ebb/flow/ebb/flow... lol.....

Lol, no convincing needed. Next grow will be hydro if all goes well.

I started from seed, and I'm going to be cloning to get my numbers. Then flowering the mothers right after I take a set of clones to have for the move. I've been trying to get these little guys as bushy as possible which is part of the reason I want the 400w. I'm hoping I can get enough clones off these plants fast enough to make this all work. I'm going out of town for the weekend, and before I go I'm gonna give them a clean water flush, and I think when I get back, they will have blown up! Hopefully I'll have my TDS meter early next week, so I can start a nice low steady feeding cycle. I've still got more nutes to get and I'd like to get some lime when I put them into the big bags. Do you guys think a little algae on the sides of the 2 liters will cause a problem? I just noticed a small amount the last day or two. Doesn't seem to be causeing any problems so far.

As far as going hydro goes, I'd like to do a system with hydroton pellets, so I don't have to get rid of large amounts of rock wool. Maybe I'll set up something aero based, maybe ebb & flow, not sure yet. I wouldn't mind a 4x8 ebb and flow table with 2 600w over it, and another 4x4 to get started in with my 400w over it. Maybe I'll do a bucket system so I can do something with a scrog. Once I move I'll have much more time to play with this, and have some fun. I want to try a 5x5 scrog with only 1 or 2 plants, but veg them for like 2-3 months. I think that would be cool. I don't know I have tons of ideas. I'd also love to do a stadium style grow at some point. I just gotta get through this one, and the rest will come easily i think. Latta guys, TC

Well I have an explanation for why my PP are showing some burn, atleast I think so. I got my TDS meter today, and its reading around 400ppm in my tap water. I havn't let it breath yet, its still gotta sit out. But I definitly am gonna do something about this. My brother has a water purifier I'm gonna try to borrow, and see if it helps. If not, I'm gonna have to fill up water bottles at his house, cus he also has a full house RO system. Its just gonna suck hauling water across town, esspecially once they get big. Either way hopefully that will fix the problem, andwhen I get back into town on tuesday I'll give them a nute feeding that I can actually measure.

hey congrats on the mini thundercat! have you thought about trying a stadium with 2x8's and cinderblocks? You would get better light penetration vs. a standard table top and get close to your LB, it could be down quickly and cheaply with the above materials, I pulled close to an OZ per plant on my 1st harvest and there were some issues in the flower room with humidity being to high, the next batches are looking better now that I got a de-humidifier in there.

Congratulations!!!!

I don't think I will have enough clones to really fill a stadium, and I only have the one 1000wI figured I could keep it closer to them if they were flat.

Did I mention I put 4 more of my mango seeds in the ground yesterday to germ. I need more plants!!

I could use about 40 plants myself...

It's a constant battle...

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Well... here goes another Photo Update....

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shet thunder i hate to sound like a sellsman but vertical is really worth it, if you only went with 2 shelves and bushed out the plants you have plenty of plants plus i personally think after seeing my bud grow in the staduim it does wonders over the regular flat style, so much penetration that i can get really good bud development at the bottom of the plant cause its getting light from top to bottom in the stadium where on the flat you wont get that good bottom growth cause even the 1K without a cool tube wont penetrate a thick canopy cause you have to be at least 3-4' away with the heat, plus when you bush them out it takes a bunch of space, i can only get 6 or 7 plants per shelf when i bush them out vs lollipop i get 15 per shelf. {shelf being 9' long}
after that awsome shroom grow you wont be dissapointed with your buds this way. I will most than likely never grow flat again its that good.

(or you could do 4 sided shelf around the bulb, then raise the bulb as needed while they grow)
its getting close to buying supplies for the shroom grow!

Well I just got back into town from the weekend, unfortunatly we got home at 6am, so my lights are off for another bit and I'm about to go to sleep. Offgrid I think with just my 1000w I would need to go 4-5 shelves high do'nt you, and only about 4-5 feet long, or else I won't have very good light coverage. I could try to rig something up, but to be honest my budget is getting low, and I still have more things to get in order to do this right. I still have the air filtration, and another 200 dollars in nutes I plan on getting! I deffinitly want to do some work with a stadium at some point. I think once I get my 600w that I want I'll have enough light to really make it worth while. Honestly if I decide to buy the 600s for the next grow, instead of switching to hydro, maybe I'll do a stadium next. I don't know yet. I was seriously thinking about building a version of the Stinkbud system. It seems like a very fast and consistant method. I have talked to Stinkbud about the idea of modifing his aero/nft system as a vertical system. I think it would be kick ass!!

I just ordered my 400w MH, I really really hope it gets here before friday! HTG is pretty fast it seems. I got my TDS meter in under a week!

Well guys I'm about to pass out, so I'll talk to you tomorrow

filthyfletch posted something about making a vertical grow aero system... It sounds revolutionary.
It wouldnt be to hard to make would it? couldnt you just make it fence post aero style?

I have two differant designs I've been working on for a vert aero system. One of them is based off of the fence posts, and would be like a aeroponic wall. The other idea is basically a replica of the collesium "cage". This would be very simple to build with everday PVC unions, the ones that look like "y"s that go from 3 inchs down to 2 inch. Use 2inch net cups in those holes, with a 3/4 aero spray bar running up the opposite side of the main pipe. You can stack 6-8, or more I suppose, but the higher you have to pump water the bigger the pump you'll need. But you could easily stack them 5-6 high, and put 10 of these pillars in a circle around a light, attacked to a large res on the bottom. It would not be cheap to build, but it should work bad ass. Be able to fit about 50-60 plants in it, or more if you had the room to make it taller. But thats just one of my many ideas. I hope to play with all kinds of grows over the years!

yah... hopefully by the time I decide to make one someone else on here will have and done a how to a long with a grow (for common problems and fixes)...

so get workin on it!

A vertical Stinkbud design...that would be brilliant! My plants are thriving with stinks system, making it more space efficient would be coup de grat

Why thank you torrey. I've talked to stink about it, and it seems like I could get it to work. I would prolly put a screen about 8-12 inchs infront of them to support the plants, and maybe even use hydroton in the net cups just to help keep them secure since the plants will be growing sideways.

So I got some distilled water tonight, Ph'd it, and flushed the plants again. This time the waste water was clearer, so I'm getting some of the crap out. several of them have been showing very slight burn on the edges of the leaves. At least thats what it looks like to me. After I found out that my tap water was at 400ppm, I started thinking maybe all that crap in my water might be building up in the soil, and the water crystals. So I'm gonna try to get my soil cleaned out, and when I mix up the soil for the 5 gallon bags, its not getting the compost for sure, and its not getting as many water crystals, I like the idea of having some, but I think I used to many for the 2 liter bottles. After the flush I checked the ph and PPm from the run off. I didn't check each plant individually, but I think I will next watering later this week. When I checked them though, the ph was about 6.7 and the ppm said 1000! I didn't think the ph was too bad, I'm gonna try to bring it down just a bit to like 6.3. But the ppm being 1000 seemed extremely high since I haven't really been giving nutes yet really. I'm assuming its from the tap water. Any ideas? They will be going into the 5 gallon grow bags and under the MH when it gets here. I ordered it early this morning. I am going to use my current none cooled hood for this new 400, then putting my 1000 inthe air cooled Euro hood I got with the 400w.

The roots on them all look really healthy. One of the bottles has a bit of algea on the side, but it doesn't seem to be bothering the roots or the plant. I think that after one week under the MH I will be able to take a good number of clones from them. A couple of the plants I could prolly already, but it would stress the hell out of them, they aren't that big yet. But if I get this soil and nuterient thing fixed, and get them under the MH they are gonna fill way out I think, they're well on they're way. I'll take some pics tomorrow so you can see the burn, and just check the kids out! I love the way the Kush looks! The leaves are only like 1.5 inchs-2 inchs long, but they are atleast 1 inch wide. Its such a strong contrast to the power skunks which look Super sativa, the one has a set of 9 leaves coming out right now. Super slender fingers. The mango, and the WW both are sowing their Indica side, the mango more so then the WW. I started another couple mango seeds before I went out of town, lol big mistake. They got dry. One didn't sprout, one looks like it still will, 2 sprouted, but one of them died from no water. lol rookie mistake I guess. Well guys I'm hitting the sac. Talk to you guys tomorrow! TC