Unconventional Organics

GrowerGoneWild

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Ive been adding candy to my compost tea brewer, (It just kinda collects around my house during the holidays) along with the other stuff. Finally got my microscope to verify at 2000X what is going on and the microbe activity is absolutely there. My inoculants were "Recharge" from real growers, andsome White Shark myco liquid, also verified the presence of amobea.

I'll take it a step further and use soil from the forest, and get a few dirt samples from the pnw to add some diversity to my teas. Results to be verified with a microscope.

I've been testing it on transplants, A little bit of the undiluted tea and some granular myco poured into the transplant hole, very encouraging results.
Even when combining synthetic/organic feed together very low maintence on plants i'm just growing for pollen.
 
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Midwest Weedist

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I'm curious if anyone can see an issue with this, mixing lab serum with fulvic/humic acids before watering? I like to use fulvic and humic acids as well as lacto b., especially in my smaller planters. But I was curious if there could be any negative reactions between the lacto organisms and the ful/hum acids.
 

DonBrennon

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I'm curious if anyone can see an issue with this, mixing lab serum with fulvic/humic acids before watering? I like to use fulvic and humic acids as well as lacto b., especially in my smaller planters. But I was curious if there could be any negative reactions between the lacto organisms and the ful/hum acids.
I use lacto and fulvic together, I can't see a problem with it, they are lactic acid bacteria after all, I'm sure they can withstand acidic environments.
 

DonTesla

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I'm curious if anyone can see an issue with this, mixing lab serum with fulvic/humic acids before watering? I like to use fulvic and humic acids as well as lacto b., especially in my smaller planters. But I was curious if there could be any negative reactions between the lacto organisms and the ful/hum acids.
What ppm do you guys run your fulhum at?
And what size do you consider small containers..

Thanks
Just curious
DT
 

Midwest Weedist

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What ppm do you guys run your fulhum at?
And what size do you consider small containers..

Thanks
Just curious
DT
No idea on the ppm, I eyeball it at roughly half a teaspoon per gallon for mature plants or those that I've fed hum/ful acids to already in increasing amounts. I've used a full teaspoon per half gallon on plants that were bloomed in to small of a container for their veg (five gallon 3 month veg) and had no noticeable negative effects. Though healthy plants / very rich souls will yield odd mutations of fed too much too often ime.
A small planter for me is under 10, with 10g being on the brim of too small. I can pull a lot of weight from a ten gallon with a three month veg and still have a soil that's still able to support the needs of my plant with no premature yellow / leaf drop. But I feed a lot of aloe, coco water, and humic acids and topdress a lot of Grokashi so my experience could possibly be not the typical one.
 

DonTesla

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No idea on the ppm, I eyeball it at roughly half a teaspoon per gallon for mature plants or those that I've fed hum/ful acids to already in increasing amounts. I've used a full teaspoon per half gallon on plants that were bloomed in to small of a container for their veg (five gallon 3 month veg) and had no noticeable negative effects. Though healthy plants / very rich souls will yield odd mutations of fed too much too often ime.
A small planter for me is under 10, with 10g being on the brim of too small. I can pull a lot of weight from a ten gallon with a three month veg and still have a soil that's still able to support the needs of my plant with no premature yellow / leaf drop. But I feed a lot of aloe, coco water, and humic acids and topdress a lot of Grokashi so my experience could possibly be not the typical one.
3 month veg in a 5 gal, wow!
That's like the BlackForrest we ran.
Do you prefer to veg that long?
Instead of more cycles?

And no worries I've jus been wondering about it
I'm not rocking my 450L no till beds quite yet and just wanted to baby these 7 gallon beauties that I went ahead with

Also what's your coco and aloe game like..

Is salicylic acid in live aloe good or bad, I wonder.. and is 200x aloe better despite the live plant being more "natural"

Appreciate your inputs, man
 

420monster

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Is mt.dew organic? It's most definitely unconventional I know the propane torch is tho

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CrocodileStunter

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So a couple days ago i topped my veg room and then made a tea out of the leaves and stems. let it sit for 3 days and would give it a good shake everyday. opened it up and it smelled sooo damn bad like i swear i could taste the rottenness. but anyway i was like fuck it and fed it to the plants. yesterday when i checked them they were all perked up and the leaves were pointing up to the light. So i call it a success. cannibalize them mofos haha. but that smell though fish emulsion smells great in comparison. i swear i can still taste that smell hahaha so gross............ i did it because i always top to late and didn't want the fertilizer to go to waste plus i figured it would be soluable since it was already broke down into a useful form. who knows I aint a plant scientist.
 

Midwest Weedist

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3 month veg in a 5 gal, wow!
That's like the BlackForrest we ran.
Do you prefer to veg that long?
Instead of more cycles?

And no worries I've jus been wondering about it
I'm not rocking my 450L no till beds quite yet and just wanted to baby these 7 gallon beauties that I went ahead with

Also what's your coco and aloe game like..

Is salicylic acid in live aloe good or bad, I wonder.. and is 200x aloe better despite the live plant being more "natural"

Appreciate your inputs, man
Depends on a few variables, mostly my schedule outside the garden. If it was ideal I would be in much larger planters with that long of a veg time. Makes it easier to handle strains that are hungry or finicky about root space. Honestly there's always a slight bit of early yellowing in my five gallons with that long of a veg but I've only seen it affect yield if I'm negligible about watering, dry periods will straight wreck a blooming plant in that small of a planter.

When it comes to aloe I prefer it live just because there are compounds that immediately start to degrade. There may be a beneficial reason to using the dried version in some applications, but I'm not aware of any. I usually keep my aloe and coco ratios at 1:1, in regards to how much of each per gallon.. Depends on how tired I am, how much coconut water I have, and how big my plants are lol. Usually I'll drain two young coconuts which yield anywhere from a half cup to two cups depending on age, blend it up with roughly equal amounts of aloe, then depending on how much I have I'll dilute it at anywhere from a quarter cup of 1:1 coco/aloe per gallon of water all the way up to 1:1 ratio of water: aloe/coco. But that heavy of a feeding is more so wasteful than anything. I only do it that heavy when I have a small amount of soil mass to water and the houseplants aren't thirsty. Nothing has ever shown stress from how heavy I use either, never. Not even when I watered my seedlings with pure aloe/coco and humic acid.
 

Midwest Weedist

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So a couple days ago i topped my veg room and then made a tea out of the leaves and stems. let it sit for 3 days and would give it a good shake everyday. opened it up and it smelled sooo damn bad like i swear i could taste the rottenness. but anyway i was like fuck it and fed it to the plants. yesterday when i checked them they were all perked up and the leaves were pointing up to the light. So i call it a success. cannibalize them mofos haha. but that smell though fish emulsion smells great in comparison. i swear i can still taste that smell hahaha so gross............ i did it because i always top to late and didn't want the fertilizer to go to waste plus i figured it would be soluable since it was already broke down into a useful form. who knows I aint a plant scientist.
Congratulations, you've crudely isolated some of the growth hormones in those new growth shoots! You'll find similar results by topdressing with malted barley or a seed sprout tea :)
 

DonTesla

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Depends on a few variables, mostly my schedule outside the garden. If it was ideal I would be in much larger planters with that long of a veg time. Makes it easier to handle strains that are hungry or finicky about root space. Honestly there's always a slight bit of early yellowing in my five gallons with that long of a veg but I've only seen it affect yield if I'm negligible about watering, dry periods will straight wreck a blooming plant in that small of a planter.

When it comes to aloe I prefer it live just because there are compounds that immediately start to degrade. There may be a beneficial reason to using the dried version in some applications, but I'm not aware of any. I usually keep my aloe and coco ratios at 1:1, in regards to how much of each per gallon.. Depends on how tired I am, how much coconut water I have, and how big my plants are lol. Usually I'll drain two young coconuts which yield anywhere from a half cup to two cups depending on age, blend it up with roughly equal amounts of aloe, then depending on how much I have I'll dilute it at anywhere from a quarter cup of 1:1 coco/aloe per gallon of water all the way up to 1:1 ratio of water: aloe/coco. But that heavy of a feeding is more so wasteful than anything. I only do it that heavy when I have a small amount of soil mass to water and the houseplants aren't thirsty. Nothing has ever shown stress from how heavy I use either, never. Not even when I watered my seedlings with pure aloe/coco and humic acid.
Thanks for the awesome reply!
Where do you buy your coconuts from though, amigo??
Cheers
DT
 

Midwest Weedist

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Thanks for the awesome reply!
Where do you buy your coconuts from though, amigo??
Cheers
DT
As much as I dislike the source (Krogers) it's the only one in my area. Finding Asian markets in the Midwest is.. Interesting if I don't want to drive to Chicago. They're usually just a tab bit over ripe. Had a couple spoiled ones once.
Cons of living in the middle of corn and soy fields
 

Vnsmkr

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Depends on a few variables, mostly my schedule outside the garden. If it was ideal I would be in much larger planters with that long of a veg time. Makes it easier to handle strains that are hungry or finicky about root space. Honestly there's always a slight bit of early yellowing in my five gallons with that long of a veg but I've only seen it affect yield if I'm negligible about watering, dry periods will straight wreck a blooming plant in that small of a planter.

When it comes to aloe I prefer it live just because there are compounds that immediately start to degrade. There may be a beneficial reason to using the dried version in some applications, but I'm not aware of any. I usually keep my aloe and coco ratios at 1:1, in regards to how much of each per gallon.. Depends on how tired I am, how much coconut water I have, and how big my plants are lol. Usually I'll drain two young coconuts which yield anywhere from a half cup to two cups depending on age, blend it up with roughly equal amounts of aloe, then depending on how much I have I'll dilute it at anywhere from a quarter cup of 1:1 coco/aloe per gallon of water all the way up to 1:1 ratio of water: aloe/coco. But that heavy of a feeding is more so wasteful than anything. I only do it that heavy when I have a small amount of soil mass to water and the houseplants aren't thirsty. Nothing has ever shown stress from how heavy I use either, never. Not even when I watered my seedlings with pure aloe/coco and humic acid.
@DonTesla @Midwest Weedist I use fresh aloe and fresh coco water very similar in the way you describe above with great results. Also I would say it should be fresh/live as it starts to degrade not long after its exposed to air (I assume). I do both foliars and waters with them both separately as well. The salacyllic acid is beneficial absolutely. You can clone with it like no ones business as well, wrap broken stems with it to heal up, etc etc etc. I will also use fresh aloe to aid in other foliars bc of its properties....
 

DonBrennon

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Big up Gill & Pat, the following plant had a root drench of 2L filtered water, 2 tsp fermented fruit juice, 1 tsp cal/phos, 1 tsp fermented clover SST all made using their technique's. Not a single bottled product was used. They've not seen fulvic, silica, seaweed extract, aloe or coconut water for over 2 weeks and I've never seen a plant pray like that before, some of the leaves are almost vertical lol
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Vnsmkr

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Big up Gill & Pat, the following plant had a root drench of 2L filtered water, 2 tsp fermented fruit juice, 1 tsp cal/phos, 1 tsp fermented clover SST all made using their technique's. Not a single bottled product was used. They've not seen fulvic, silica, seaweed extract, aloe or coconut water for over 2 weeks and I've never seen a plant pray like that before, some of the leaves are almost vertical lol
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Church in session eh. They look really good. Mine do the same after a blast of aloe or coconut water
 

DonTesla

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Big up Gill & Pat, the following plant had a root drench of 2L filtered water, 2 tsp fermented fruit juice, 1 tsp cal/phos, 1 tsp fermented clover SST all made using their technique's. Not a single bottled product was used. They've not seen fulvic, silica, seaweed extract, aloe or coconut water for over 2 weeks and I've never seen a plant pray like that before, some of the leaves are almost vertical lol
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Shit son,
nice work! @DonBrennon

What's the fermented fruit juice... Got a link to recipe??
 
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