Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

It does not provide the same benefits of a silicon supplement. DE breaks down pretty slow. But over time it provides a little. DE is really to stop soil borne pests.

Alphakronik said:

I'm not here to argue. Unless you post Gas Chemography results, the point is null and void. Science uses numbers and repeatable results, neither of which Kushman or yourself have put up for proof that his ideas or theories on veganics are of sound scientific fact. If you want to talk science, that is fine, but we need to prove ourselves by showing our research and facts, not estimations and generalized possibilities.

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Bro, my numbers have been posted on the thread already. Here we go again.
This was my second attempt at veganics and first Blackberry Kush. I tested in the top 5 of all Blackberry samples (including chem and organics), and Blackberry Kush was the tenth most tested variety by this lab. The hash was 45 to 160 microns, aka everything, and isn't comparable due to low sample size. But here's the data anyways.

Blackberry Kush has never tested over 16% at this lab. Just to set the scene.
blackberry kush flower %15.44 THC %0.23CBD %0.05CBN
blackberry kush full melt%52.64THC %01.27CBD %0.33CBN

And beginning your post with "kushman is wrong" is argumentative. Don't act surprised when you come on my thread and start with that kind of post title.

Plus you didn't answer: are you breeding with males?

We are working with Grinspoon and Steep Hill to prove our buds have higher THC. We entered some Blue Dream in last years medical cup. It was grown by a first timer following kushman veganics. It tested at 24% THC, four highest of ALL cup samples. Pictured below is my VEGAN ORGANIC blackberry kush.

oh ok, it was just an idea. and yeah i originally got it because you suggested it for pest control. it seems like the safest way to control pests in the soil...

From Kushman to Alfa:

Plants are plants, and animals are animals. Neither can be both. Regardless of their origins of evolution. To the matter of nutrition, plants also cannot distinguish between organic or chemical. I'm not saying the use of one or the other won't have an effect on the outcome. None the less, neither plant nor animal biology can tell the difference between a vitamin, mineral, or nutrient that is organic, or chemically derived. How is it that people grow hydroponically without any trace of animal products? It's because their nutritional requirements are being met chemically. And everything is built from chemicals, or the elements their derived from.

Therefore if you provide the proper amounts and ratios of nutrients to the plant, it doesn't matter one bit to the physical system processing them.

I welcome educated debate from sincere cultivators.

Thank you for your interest,
Kyle Kushman

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POST EDIT: wtf alfakronik? I even got you a response from Kushman, and you pull your posts? Is this because I asked about your herm genetics?

Matt Rize said:

Looks great. Only thing I can pickout is the ricehulls possibly rotting and/or sprouting because they were not carbonized (charred).
Is it for indoor? If so, make sure there is enough perlite (or pumice) to balance the heavyier manure.

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thanx for the help ,my first indoor crop, organic soils vs hydro

Cant get any more pure than veganics!! thanks for all the good work guys, keep it coming!!

Alphakronik said:

I'm not here to argue.

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Well then let's talk about your genetics. The White in particular. You seem to be breeding with local genetics, and using Subcool's and Godfather Dawg's genetics (you know who I am talking about?). Do tell about the white please. Kushman also works with the real The White and The Black.

Alphakronik said:

Wow. You are really reaching there. Firstly, if you did any sort of search, you'd know that Subby was the person who got me into breeding, that our male came from F1 seeds we popped (he gave them to us to continue a Spacequeen project (probably because he moved onto querkle). As for the white, I havent a clue whos it is. Came to me from the east coast, and per request, we are making seeds with it. Its funny to me when people think they have rights to a cutting actually. All the more reason to make it available to the public.

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Firstly, I did 2 seconds of research on you, and have no idea who you or your bank or school are. I worked for Peace in Medicine. Now Oaksterdam... ever heard of them? lol. Just messing with ya. I have no idea about "the white" and no one ever claimed any rights to anything. I truly am curious. iirc: It came from Chemdawg father. Along with "the black". They are chemdawg phenos I believe. Was looking for confirmation, but got defensive BS... whatever. I don't really give two shits about hybrid seeds. I used to grow DJ Short Blueberry and it's hybrids from seed. BUT NOW world class clone-only cuts of every kind are plentiful. Sour D, Jack H, Headband, Chemdawg(s), Green Crack, Blackberry Kush, OG kush(s), Romulan, Grape Ape, Strawberry Cough ect ect, the list goes on.

AND UNLESS YOU ARE BREEDING WITH MALES I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN YOUR WORK... so please do tell, male pollen or herm?


POST EDIT: THANKS TO ALL FOR POSTING, THIS THREAD HAS TAKEN A GREAT DIRECTION.

UNFORTUNATELY THIS ALFACRONIC GUY TRIED TO STEP TO THE RIZE AND GOT SQUASHED. THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR THE SUPPORT. KEEP THE ?S COMING!

^^^^ i don't understand why people are fucking up the genepool with hermanized excuse me , "feminised", seeds.
Matt , thanx for all; the good info and no bullshit. peace

klassifyme said:

^^^^ i don't understand why people are fucking up the genepool with hermanized excuse me , "feminised", seeds.
Matt , thanx for all; the good info and no bullshit. peace

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I will tell you why. Folks are fake ass breeders. They want to make money off of the hard work of others real breeding. Wanna-be breeders take the best clone only cuts they can find and herm them out hence seeds... that's not breeding. FAIL, just like Soma and Arjan and the other herm breeders. That is why I only grew real genetics when I was doing seeds, mostly DJ Short Blueberry. Right now I have some TGA seeds because Subcool is a real breeder.

I have never made a herm, fem, or reversed seed in my life. Sir, I deleted my postings from your thread due to the fact that you cannot hold an intelligent conversation pertaining to your post to save your life. You obviously do not care about the science of cannabis growing, and therefor I will not waste my time going tit-for-tat with you.

All of our gear is open air pollenation using males. It's unfortunate that you allow assumption to make an ass out of you.

Alphakronik said:

All of our gear is open air pollenation using males. It's unfortunate that you allow assumption to make an ass out of you.

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Hey good to know, wish you would've said so from the get-go...
It's funny you rag on me for not sticking to my own thread (kinda my MO just fyi, have you seen my IC posts as Thomkal Vwalaa?).
It's even funnier that you rag on me for my lack of science... have you read any of my other threads or visited my blog, lol, it's about as nerdy as it gets. I even re-posted some LAB DATA for you, but that must have not counted. You talk a good game, but hard science (beyond theory, raw data) it seems is proving that VEGAN ORGANICS is the way to go.

Matt Rize said:

I will tell you why. Folks are fake ass breeders. They want to make money off of the hard work of others real breeding. Wanna-be breeders take the best clone only cuts they can find and herm them out hence seeds... that's not breeding. FAIL, just like Soma and Arjan and the other herm breeders. That is why I only grew real genetics when I was doing seeds, mostly DJ Short Blueberry. Right now I have some TGA seeds because Subcool is a real breeder.

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thats funny i plan on getting some subcool gear when i get my tax return, hopfefully theviod, vortex,pandoras box, and maybe querkle, what subcool strains are you working with?

klassifyme said:

thats funny i plan on getting some subcool gear when i get my tax return, hopfefully theviod, vortex,pandoras box, and maybe querkle, what subcool strains are you working with?

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I like the description on the jillybean. Who doesn't need some uplift?

JILLYBEAN
Orange Velvet X Romulan X Cindy99

• Sativa/Indica 60/40
• Harvest Window 50-60 Days
• Heavy Producer
• Good for Anti Depressant & Uplifting Mood

This strain’s high is upbeat and happy; it is great for depression and bad days. Flavors are like a jar of mixed candy; they range from orange-tang to mango and apple. Very good mood and general euphoria are experienced while high on this strain.

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Alphakronik said:

I have never made a herm, fem, or reversed seed in my life. Sir, I deleted my postings from your thread due to the fact that you cannot hold an intelligent conversation pertaining to your post to save your life. You obviously do not care about the science of cannabis growing, and therefor I will not waste my time going tit-for-tat with you.

All of our gear is open air pollenation using males. It's unfortunate that you allow assumption to make an ass out of you.

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wow. this guy is really full of himself. some people just cant admit when their wrong.

nice, i wish they haad a package deal with all the subcool strains, i look at the descriptions and cant really decide they all sound great

Damn, missed some fun looks like.

Agree 100%. I am not all too stoked on fem seeds. Beyond the hermie traits... I think the male plays a crucial role in the genetics. "selfing" is not complete, IMO. Maybe you could make that a blog entry? Would be a good read I think. I can think of plenty of people that could benefit from reading something like that lol

And TGA genetics are top man. Love it. Working with Chernobyl right now. But I digress...

happy Friday!

I tried DJ Shorts New True Blue Berry 2 1/2 years ago and found 4 different phenol's and they were all very low yield, very disappointing. So I moved to Dr Atomic and now with Sannies. Which BB would you recommend?

I think the whole Dutch Seed thing is just a big cash grab and people like Melia and JC (the book guy) are all about the money now, they have lost their way.

woodsmaneh! said:

I tried DJ Shorts New True Blue Berry 2 1/2 years ago and found 4 different phenol's and they were all very low yield, very disappointing. So I moved to Dr Atomic and now with Sannies. Which BB would you recommend?

I think the whole Dutch Seed thing is just a big cash grab and people like Melia and JC (the book guy) are all about the money now, they have lost their way.

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I grew DJ's blueberry for many years, it was always amazing. Emery hooked it up back in the day if you went to the store in vancouver and dropped some loot. I looked for the more indica phenos, the stankiest. I tried the True Blueberry as well, and found a bunch of low yielding phenos. One was incredibly psychoactive, and was the only pheno I've ever smoked that made me unable to work... way too trippy. It yielded almost nothing, and the calyxes were crazy looking blue/sparse.

The big blue from BCSC was quality, and yields sick. Grown from seed it made dripping nugs. One huge crown and a kick ass second tier crown. 6 ounces off of a 250 watt MH my first real indoor grow way back when.

Dr. Atomic's blueberryxNL was way more NL than blueberry IMO (at the time). From seed it was solid. From cuts it was slow to veg, and slow to root. But was the most frosty herb I've ever seen or grown. I may have picked a mutant because it never stopped flowering... always frosty calyxes no matter how big the plants or light cycle.

Grape Krush was weak, low germination pisses me off.

What are your goals?
Headstash or Money?
Is stank a problem? (I moved to CA with my cuts. I tried to do a round of Blueberry and the smell was out of control. Bike cops smelled the garden and I had a brief freak out. No more making cuts for the dispensary... lol sorry but gotta watch the plant count.)
What's your style? Indica vs hybrd vs Sativa?

Alphakronik said:

I have never made a herm, fem, or reversed seed in my life. Sir, I deleted my postings from your thread due to the fact that you cannot hold an intelligent conversation pertaining to your post to save your life. You obviously do not care about the science of cannabis growing, and therefor I will not waste my time going tit-for-tat with you.

All of our gear is open air pollenation using males. It's unfortunate that you allow assumption to make an ass out of you.

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The joys of seeing an ass make an ass of himself. If you're going to use the presumption that Matt can't hold an intelligent conversation, than you are just embarrassing yourself. Throughout this whole thread people have come in to bash Matt and veganics, yet he always stays diplomatic and always keeps the discussion civil, and intelligent.

It's also funny that this lame-o had nothing to say about the numbers you posted.. but I digress, it's quite apparent what happened.

Let me also add that several pages back I posted my girl which I grew veganically, she was the third seed I had popped from the pack, and was easily the most stinky, and best tasting out off all the other ones I grew. That is obviously empirical, but I feel like the odor/taste increased greatly when I removed the poop.