KocfOwned
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LOL thanks for the Fast response broesf ^_^...and the Natural up wont kill my bennies??
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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ganjamystic
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No problem
Nope, shouldn't as long as you use as directed and just bring the ph up to 5.5 - 6.5 (the less adjustment, the better.. so 5.5 is probably good). It's meant to be used with Earth Juice's whole line of natural/organic ferts, which are dependent upon beneficial microbes to break everything down into usable form for the plant, so your bennies should be totally fine...KocfOwned said:
BUT, I should add that you should check the pH of your runoff before adjusting. That is a better indicator of whether or not you need to adjust. The lime in your soil should already be acting as a buffer and keeping your pH in a decent range. Try feeding really really slowly to make sure you don't let any nutes run straight through. Then, when your soil is saturated, let it chill for a few minutes until some nutrient solution drains out of the bottom. Test the pH of that to see if it's in optimal range first. You may not need to adjust as much as you think
ganjamystic
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Oh and just so you know, KofcOwned, I ran the GO line several times with no pH adjustment (I don't even own a pH meter) and had good results. The buds never got quite as big as I hoped, but I don't know if that was a pH issue or the nutes overall or simply the strain (Space Jill by TGA Subcool) because I started a new strain and a new nutrient line at the same time. The plants looked totally healthy throughout the grows and didn't appear to have any lockout issues, so I assumed it was either not quite enough P during flower or just the strain itself... Perhaps the plants could have thrived more if I'd have adjusted the pH, or maybe not... I really have no idea... I've always believed there wasn't much need to adjust pH with organics as long as you have a good buffer like dolomite in your soil, but I've never done a side-by-side test with pH-adjusted nutes and non-adjusted ones. I have had lots and lots of grows with awesome results over the last 8 years with different strains and different lines of organic nutrients and no pH adjustment though, so it definitely isn't an absolute necessity, unless of course you're seeing signs of nutrient lockout...
Matt, what's your opinion on pH and organics/veganics? Raise it or no?
Matt, what's your opinion on pH and organics/veganics? Raise it or no?
Samwell Seed Well
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wow their is alot of info here its gonna take me along to to read through it, but im new to organics ill be running the beneficial biologists primordial solutions, rootamentary, root bloom with Mycorrhizae, sea green and true bloom line amended with budswell and also ill be ruining the whole bio bizz line amended with sea green and budswell
quick question im gonna use the 707 line i believe or just Roots Organic pro mix? not sure yet but im only using,
quick question im gonna use the 707 line i believe or just Roots Organic pro mix? not sure yet but im only using,
ganjamystic
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Wow thank you so much for sharing this! I'd never heard of Beneficial Biologics before; this stuff sounds amazing!
ganjamystic
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Read KofcOwned's question again:
He was already aware of lime's ability to raise pH; However, since lime, which is straight Calcium and Magnesium, was already present in his soil, he thought it would be a bad idea to simply use more lime to adjust the pH of his nutrient solution.KofcOwned said:
Since EJ's Natural up is potassium bicarbonate, rather than calcium magnesium bicarbonate, it's a good choice for KofcOwned to raise the pH of his nutrients without upsetting the balance of Ca/Mg in his soil, and at 2 lbs. for $17.50, it's actually a great price; I don't think you can buy potassium carbonate, even in bulk, for much cheaper.
I will go ahead and state right now that the importance of the Ca:Mg ratio in soil is debated, and that Ca and Mg toxicities are rare; however, if KofcOwned wants to play it safe and not add more lime if there's another option, that seems wise to me.
As I said, I don't even own a pH meter, and have rarely (if ever) experienced pH problems, so all of this pH adjusting business seems a bit unnecessary to me, but who am I to call another man "silly"?
Wolverine97
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Silica, man, that's your best bet. Either Dynagro Protekt, or Botanicare Silica Blast. Both work extremely well as pH up, and provide a vital boost of silica to the plant cells which help them resist pests, molds, etc... You really can't lose.
Wolverine97
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Pretty much only "up", since the minimum pH of lime is like 7...
ganjamystic
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Been growing for 8 years and am just now starting to hear about silica... Glad to learn this! Thanks!
Matt Rize
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yeah by commercial from pure vida I mean low resin/flavor with big buds. The biocanna is the opposite, low yield with extra resin/flavor.
I had some samples of that bannamanna and it looked/smelled kinda crazy. I'm not sure about how safe that product is. It reminded me of something I would find in the chem lab.
I think DIY fruit ferments is where this is all headed. A friend of mine is working on making comfrey syrup for gardeners.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I watch my pH closely because it changes seasonally, and adjust it if it is way off after mixing nutes. When I'm at full strength feeding the nutes adjust the pH perfectly for me, but early and late I usually drop my pH to 6.3ish.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Actually lime will pull your soil pH to around 7.0 and cannabis plants prefer an acidic environment around 6.3 for soil and lower for soil-less/hydro. Peat is acidic (4.5ish) just fyi, also a great grow media for cannabis. I use lime in my potting mix, but too much will bring my soil pH up to 7.0, too high.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
IMO botanicare is a rip off compared to the dyna gro proteKt. 1/4 the strength at a similar price. I use 1 mL/gallon silica from start to the couple weeks. Crucial, no PM issues for me recently.
Matt Rize
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Wolverine97
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Word. This year almost all of my friends had PM or botrytis issues, and I had trouble keeping my humidity in check throughout flowering. Zero Pm, zero botrytis, just fat juicy, sticky nugs of dankness. And yeah, I'm probably going to switch to Protekt but I still have a bottle and a half of Silica Blast to use up first. I don't use a lot, so it goes slowly, plus I bought an extra bottle last time (I like to have extra everything).
KocfOwned
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Dammit it wont let me REP you again LOL Dude your VAT of useful knowledge bro ^_^....How some other questions for ya..you mentioned earlier not to poor to quickly as the nutrients will come out the bottom..aside from wasting good nutes lol is this bad? Prolly has to do with making sure there are no dry pockets of soil huh? and you ran the entire G.O line how often did you use the Bio marine? as im using it with every feeding as suggested
ganjamystic
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Glad to help! That's the great thing about these forums. It's so nice to share info with other growers! I been growing forever now but have already learned some great new stuff since joining this site just a few days ago
But, to answer your questions, yes, you're right on. Watering too quickly can cause your nutrient solution to run straight through without being absorbed by the growing medium, thus wasting nutes and leaving dry pockets in your mix, which of course the roots don't like... For big containers, watering wands or old school watering cans with a shower-type head work great. For smaller grows, you can use a half-gallon juice bottle or something and drill a small hole in the lid, which will give you total control of how fast or slow the nutes squirt out based on how much you squeeze the bottle or not... I like to water just a little bit at first, just to get the soil moist, then I come back a little bit later and do the real watering. Once the soil's already a little bit moist, it soaks up nutes like a sponge!
And to tell you the truth, I skipped the BioMarine just cuz I was doing a totally "veganic" grow, but hydrolyzed fish is great stuff! Not only can you use it with every watering, but you can technically grow whole crops from start to finish with nothing else! I'm not suggesting you do this, just sayin, it's possible!
ganjamystic
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That hash looks awesome, by the way, Matt!
KocfOwned
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Agreed
thanks again GanjaMystic