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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
South African army general in Moscow days after country accused of sending weapons to Russia
Russia’s top army general and his South African counterpart discussed “military cooperation” while meeting Monday in Moscow, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

The announcement came hours after South African President Cyril Ramaphosa denied accusations by the United States that his country was siding with Russia in the war in Ukraine and had sent weapons to help it.

Gen. Oleg Salyukov, the commander of Russia’s ground forces, met the chief of South Africa’s army, Lt. Gen. Lawrence Mbatha, at Russia’s general command headquarters in Moscow, the Russian ministry said.

“The sides discussed issues of military cooperation and the implementation of projects geared to enhance the combat readiness of the two countries’ armies,” the ministry said in a statement. “The meeting between the military commanders yielded agreements on the further expansion of cooperation between the land forces in various areas.”

The Defense Ministry said a South African delegation would visit a number of Russian army “educational and training facilities.”

The South African army said the trip was planned well in advance of the U.S. ambassador to South Africa alleging last week that the country had provided weapons to Russia when a ship under U.S. sanctions made a secret stop at a South African naval base in December.

The South African government has denied the Russian cargo ship’s stop involved an official sale of weapons, although it has not categorically ruled out an arms transaction took place.

Ramaphosa has said an investigation was underway to determine if anyone loaded weapons onto the Russian-flagged Lady R cargo ship at the Simon’s Town naval base near Cape Town.

Ramaphosa used his weekly message to the nation Monday to reaffirm South Africa’s non-aligned stance with regard to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The president’s statement was seen as a response to U.S. Ambassador to South Africa Reuben Brigety, who questioned South Africa’s neutrality in the Ukraine war while making the allegations about a weapons shipment.

Brigety was subsequently summoned to a meeting with South Africa’s foreign minister.

“We do not accept that our non-aligned position favors Russia above other countries,” Ramaphosa wrote in his weekly message. “Nor do we accept that it should imperil our relations with other countries.”

Ramaphosa added: “We have been firm on this point: South Africa has not been, and will not be, drawn into a contest between global powers.”

He also hinted that Russian President Vladimir Putin would visit South Africa for a meeting of leaders of the BRICS economic bloc in August. The Kremlin has not confirmed that Putin plans to attend the BRICS summit.

Such a trip would entangle South Africa in another diplomatic mess because the country is a signatory to the treaty that created the International Criminal Court, which issued an arrest warrant for Putin in March for alleged war crimes involving the abductions of children from Ukraine.

Since the indictment, Putin has traveled rarely, and only to countries that are close allies of Russia. Countries that are parties to the treaty would be obliged to arrest the Russian leader.

While Russia and South Africa both described Monday’s meeting of the countries’ top army generals as part of a normal bilateral trip, it’s bound to increase scrutiny of Africa’s most developed economy, which is seen as an influential nation in the developing world.

South Africa is the only African nation in the BRICS bloc, which also includes Brazil, Russia, India and China.

Aside from the weapons allegations, South Africa also hosted Russian and Chinese warships and took part in naval exercises off its east coast in February that coincided with the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Brigety, the American ambassador, said last week that U.S. officials have “respect for South Africa’s policy of neutrality and non-alignment in international affairs” but had “noted a series of issues which suggest that in practice the government of South Africa is in fact not non-aligned.”

The Associated Press independently verified that the Lady R cargo ship stopped at the South African naval base for at least three days in December, as Brigety claimed. A review of records by the AP also shows that the Lady R is tied to a company that was sanctioned by the U.S. for transporting weapons for the Russian government and aiding its war effort in Ukraine.
I will anticipate @Sativied and say they’re a bunch of cunt farmers who speak bad Dutch.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED

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Vlad fires his dwindling supply of missiles at cities and Zelenskiy is on a European tour to get modern fighter aircraft for Ukraine. A modern airforce will keep the Russians out of Ukraine once they are ejected. The effects of all the modern AA systems and a layered air defense system can be seen with the number of thwarted attacks.

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Vlad fires his dwindling supply of missiles at cities and Zelenskiy is on a European tour to get modern fighter aircraft for Ukraine. A modern airforce will keep the Russians out of Ukraine once they are ejected. The effects of all the modern AA systems and a layered air defense system can be seen with the number of thwarted attacks.

I’m revising my estimate of Russian aircraft survivability downward.

also, SuperCum?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I’m revising my estimate of Russian aircraft survivability downward.

also, SuperCum?
It is beginning to look like an anti-ballistic missiles defense system and starwars might be worth a second look. The increase in technology and the decrease in the number to Russian missiles and warheads could make it feasible. Ya never know when some crazy fucker will get control of nukes and the political situation in Russia looks like it might be unstable for the next decade. Stealth precision strikes using conventional weapons with good intelligence might take out most of the threats and an ABM system could hopefully deal with the rest. More options than MAD should be available to the POTUS, technology might provide them.

If anybody does something like this, it will probably be South Korea first and they could even have such a system now. Their defense minister said awhile back that they already had every artillery piece and other asset targeted with precision missiles. If the little fat fuck should lose his marbles, he will shortly thereafter lose his life too. Take him and the top C&C out along with their nuke stash and roll over his half-starved slave state.
 

Billy the Mountain

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If this is true, Russia should be even more embarrassed...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/air-defence-systems-repelling-attacks-ukraine-early-tuesday-officials-2023-05-16/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/humiliation-for-putins-unstoppable-superweapon-blasted-out-of-sky-by-us-defense-system

I'm beginning to suspect they can't build or maintain anything more complex than a washing machine.
It makes me wonder about the efficacy of their nuclear "arsenal"....
Funny; but a even a washing machine is far beyond their abilities. Speculation is that they're buying appliances as a means to acquire microprocessors.

They don't have automotive, aviation, or electronics industries.

Their economy has historically been almost exclusively natural resources, and all the tech for that is from Shell, BP, etc.

Outside of the military, does Russia build anything?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This is what Vlad has to contend with, in a liberal democracy under threat there are no such concerns. In an authoritarian regime that is losing a war to a much smaller country this is a real threat, this would be a nucleus around which a much larger movement can form and supporting it is cheap for Ukraine. Morale counts in clandestine warfare more than for the regular kind and people must believe in what they are fighting and dying for because discipline is much looser and actions more voluntary in such organizations. Without a peace treaty Ukraine will be free to fund and support Russians fighting for change back home and are providing a model and example to reformers in Russia. They are taking over cultural and economic leadership in the Slavic world as Russia is sidelined, economically and culturally stifled for a decade at least.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like they are not happy about how we adorn our embassy walls, I wonder why? Xi feels threatened when a fellow authoritarian is failing and losing so badly, especially when they were so publicly close. Meanwhile China will be looking to take advantage of the Russian collapse in central Asia and in the eastern Russian republics in the future. We are by no means done fucking with China over trying to fuck with us and like Russia, China is making more enemies than friends.

 
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