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DIY-HP-LED said:

? I think he spoke naively at best.

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And at worst, revealingly.

Now we are watching damage control and not sincerity. My opinion.

cannabineer said:

I think he dared speak true.

I also don’t think he lifted a finger toward government aid, or against it as it meant profit.

As for the military, no.

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I agree that Ukraine shouldn't be part of NATO, no need and they would be far more useful as a free agent and potential ally for Vlad's other neighbors. This would be especially true if the Russian's refused to sign a peace after they were driven from Ukraine. They would have a lot more freedom of action to punish Russia and destabilize its government than any NATO country. Once the Ukrainians acquire a western made air force, after the Russians are gone (much of lend lease is for this IMHO) and more anti-missile systems, they won't have to worry much about Vlad's army, especially if they trap it in Russia by attacking rail transport links into Ukraine.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I agree that Ukraine shouldn't be part of NATO, no need and they would be far more useful as a free agent and potential ally for Vlad's other neighbors. This would be especially true if the Russian's refused to sign a peace after they were driven from Ukraine. They would have a lot more freedom of action to punish Russia and destabilize its government than any NATO country. Once the Ukrainians acquire a western made air force, after the Russians are gone (much of lend lease is for this IMHO) and more anti-missile systems, they won't have to worry much about Vlad's army, especially if they trap it in Russia by attacking rail transport links into Ukraine.

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I do not share that opinion.

cannabineer said:

And at worst, revealingly.

Now we are watching damage control and not sincerity. My opinion.

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After the social scalding and education, he got it might actually lead to him boning up on the subject a bit and at least realize he's on the wrong side of history on this one. He's a narcist so it's gotta hurt getting mass shit on, I'm surprised his computer never melted down into a puddle with the heat! If he has a social media staff, they are busy with brooms and buckets sweeping up the diarrhea.

DIY-HP-LED said:

After the social scalding and education, he got it might actually lead to him boning up on the subject a bit and at least realize he's on the wrong side of history on this one. He's a narcist so it's gotta hurt getting mass shit on, I'm surprised his computer never melted down into a puddle with the heat! If he has a social media staff, they are busy with brooms and buckets sweeping up the diarrhea.

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*narcissist

cannabineer said:

I do not share that opinion.

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Not out of fear of the big bad bear, but out of pragmatism, as it would be a hive of activity for Vlad's or his regime's many enemies in the region. They are Defacto NATO allies and extra manpower is not an issue for them, more weapons are, Uncle Sam already guaranteed their sovereignty when they gave up their nukes, so did Russia and others. Using nukes on a non-nuclear power in those circumstances is not like using it in others.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I'd take that with a grain of salt, there are no ICBMs near Moscow, why put them in a target area where they would be a nuke magnet. Does America keep ICBM silos in DC, think it would be smart to do so?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1577103069481164800

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that vid reminds me of this picture from earlier in the war


this was captured in feb.....if i remember correctly me and bear talked bout it trying to figure it out

BudmanTX said:

that vid reminds me of this picture from earlier in the war

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this was captured in feb.....if i remember correctly me and bear talked bout it trying to figure it out

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insert (!) crass mom’s dildo meme here

DIY-HP-LED said:

Intercepting these things coming in from over the sea with manpads is much easier apparently, starstreak is a very fast missile and cruise missiles are more vulnerable in a marine environment than on shore and to AA missiles and fighters in general. How many does Russia have left? Because they won't be able to make many more precision ones, ballistic missiles are also vulnerable to modern AA missiles. AWACS with look down radar are patrolling the Polish border, parts of Ukraine and Black Sea and can see cruise missiles

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how do you shoot down a hypersonic missile with a manpad weapon? it will be gone from your field of view before you could get a lock on it.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I agree that Ukraine shouldn't be part of NATO, no need and they would be far more useful as a free agent and potential ally for Vlad's other neighbors. This would be especially true if the Russian's refused to sign a peace after they were driven from Ukraine. They would have a lot more freedom of action to punish Russia and destabilize its government than any NATO country. Once the Ukrainians acquire a western made air force, after the Russians are gone (much of lend lease is for this IMHO) and more anti-missile systems, they won't have to worry much about Vlad's army, especially if they trap it in Russia by attacking rail transport links into Ukraine.

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why do you assume the Ukrainians want to be the democracy police in Europe? Have they expressed any interest in being non aligned peace keepers? i haven't heard any such sentiment, have you?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

how do you shoot down a hypersonic missile with a manpad weapon? it will be gone from your field of view before you could get a lock on it.

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Kalibr is not hypersonic. You may be thinking of Kinzhal.

DIY is back isn't he....

Roger A. Shrubber said:

how do you shoot down a hypersonic missile with a manpad weapon? it will be gone from your field of view before you could get a lock on it.

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With radar assistance and having it come at you, startreaks can be both manpads and integrated with other fire control systems, starstreaks are very fast missiles. They were shooting down cruise missiles in Ukraine using stingers.

cannabineer said:

Kalibr is not hypersonic. You may be thinking of Kinzhal.

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i was, got the names confused...

DIY-HP-LED said:

With radar assistance and having it come at you, startreaks can be both manpads and integrated with other fire control systems, starstreaks are very fast missiles. They were shooting down cruise missiles in Ukraine using stingers.

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my bad, i meant the hypersonic khinzal ^

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i was, got the names confused...

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easy to do.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

why do you assume the Ukrainians want to be the democracy police in Europe? Have they expressed any interest in being non aligned peace keepers? i haven't heard any such sentiment, have you?

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That might be for Uncle Sam and others to decide, being a member of NATO requires unanimous consent. I do know it is in their best interests to destabilize the regime in Belarus, Poland's too, though they might be sly about it. I figure by the time Ukraine is done with Russia they will be fucked, especially if Uncle Sam allows them to attack the Russian's major strategic transport asset and means to project power, the railways. Ukraine might be left with 50 additional BTG's or more of equipment, in addition to what they already have. Then when they drive out the Russians lend lease will be on the table with all of Uncle Sam's equipment that is being replaced going cheap.

They might not want to be the region's cop, but many will be eager for a piece of the Russians for a long time to come. If Russia does not get rid of Vlad at least and sign a peace treaty with Ukraine after defeat, the misery will continue and the fighting will move on to other places, including inside Russia, by Russians. The Ukrainians might have 100 BTGs of refurbished soviet equipment to give away in the near future, that will keep the Russians busy for a while.

I sure wish Ukraine had at least a few nukes to hold over Russia's head like Russia is doing to the world.

mooray said:

I sure wish Ukraine had at least a few nukes to hold over Russia's head like Russia is doing to the world.

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Be careful of what you wish for...