doublejj
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Lets not make that mistake again. Russia needs to be punished for bombing civilians.
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doublejj
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Russia could always just get up and leave Ukraine.
Lucky Luke
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Are you offering decent odds on that?
Lucky Luke
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America bombed civilians not that long ago in Afghanistan. Germans bombed London, The allies bombed the fk outa every German city. Armies rape, pillage and steal and slaughter.
Its war.
Was it the Mongols who slaughtered the best?
Be nice if ALL perpetrators of a War crime where actually publicly trailed and punished.
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PJ Diaz
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Civilians are not your enemy combatants. Your idea to target them is disgusting and immoral.
And your idea is to stoop to their level and kill their innocent civilians? Sickening.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Dead civilian Russians ok but what is this nonsense? Each of those women have 10x the brains that Russian has. Those 6 are largely the result of working towards an equal male-female balance in politics, something we're actually quite proud of. Why pretend they are weak? Cause they are women instead of old white men? No wonder Hillary didn't get elected with such a backward view on women in power.
DIY-HP-LED
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I think better arrangements can be made for these people, those that want change back home need to be gathered and organized, this is an unused resource. The more people that pour out of Russia the better, the EU just needs to make some temporary arrangements, there is a labor shortage there too. Ukraine might offer citizenship to those who volunteer, they even have a Russian corps, maybe they wouldn't mind fighting in a competent army and for change in Russia. The exodus is a hurting the Russian government, is bad PR and is a drain of brains and talent.
Russia is not ripe for change at this point, and they are better off in western Europe spread around than in a Russian Gulag, they will get an education in how a government should work and how free people live. Every one of them should be educated about how Vlad had a vast fortune pouring in for 20 years and why Russia is failing, and he is a loser, why they were living like shit and not like kings. They already know much of this but fill in the details and tell them how to effect change when they get the chance.
This should not be a problem for Russia's border states, it should be an EU problem and opportunity all rolled into one, spread them around 35 countries and have a plan for the useful things that can be done with them, from filling in labor shortages to organizing an opposition force, to volunteering for the Ukrainians, educate all of them though.
Tensions rise as Russian men flee into Georgia - BBC Newsnight
298,744 views Oct 11, 2022 Russian President Vladimir Putin's partial mobilisation has seen tens of thousands of men flee Russia into Georgia. Estimates suggest up to 10,000 men a day were making the journey at one point. Those who have made the trip have spent days waiting in a queue to cross the border, all to avoid fighting on the battlefield in Ukraine. But is the influx causing unease with local Georgians? With a troubled history going back to the 2008 Russo-Georgia war, some politicians are asking the government to end the open-door policy that allows Russians to stay in Georgia for up to a year without a visa. BBC Caucasus Correspondent Rayhan Demytrie reports on the situation on the ground and whether those who stay in Russia can resist the war from their own homeland.
Russia is not ripe for change at this point, and they are better off in western Europe spread around than in a Russian Gulag, they will get an education in how a government should work and how free people live. Every one of them should be educated about how Vlad had a vast fortune pouring in for 20 years and why Russia is failing, and he is a loser, why they were living like shit and not like kings. They already know much of this but fill in the details and tell them how to effect change when they get the chance.
This should not be a problem for Russia's border states, it should be an EU problem and opportunity all rolled into one, spread them around 35 countries and have a plan for the useful things that can be done with them, from filling in labor shortages to organizing an opposition force, to volunteering for the Ukrainians, educate all of them though.
Tensions rise as Russian men flee into Georgia - BBC Newsnight
298,744 views Oct 11, 2022 Russian President Vladimir Putin's partial mobilisation has seen tens of thousands of men flee Russia into Georgia. Estimates suggest up to 10,000 men a day were making the journey at one point. Those who have made the trip have spent days waiting in a queue to cross the border, all to avoid fighting on the battlefield in Ukraine. But is the influx causing unease with local Georgians? With a troubled history going back to the 2008 Russo-Georgia war, some politicians are asking the government to end the open-door policy that allows Russians to stay in Georgia for up to a year without a visa. BBC Caucasus Correspondent Rayhan Demytrie reports on the situation on the ground and whether those who stay in Russia can resist the war from their own homeland.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would think that the “partial” conscription is quite enough “making the Russian people feel it”.
There is an unreality to the implied acceleration of regime change in Russia if enough pain is applied to the person in the street. It puts me in mind of the famous recommendation that, when there is no bread, switch to cake.
There is an unreality to the implied acceleration of regime change in Russia if enough pain is applied to the person in the street. It puts me in mind of the famous recommendation that, when there is no bread, switch to cake.
PJ Diaz
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When you target civilians, that doesn't serve to create dissatisfaction of their own leadership's war mongering, but rather it galvanizes national collective support against an "external foe". In fact, it has the opposite effect from what you are seemingly trying to achieve.
DIY-HP-LED
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It's been known to work before, like the land battle in Ukraine, politically at home Vlad must be weakened and his support eroded at all levels. That's the idea behind sanctions and causing social and economic pain, particularly for the movers and shakers who feel it most acuity, the people in Russal Russia are largely self-sufficient and live like shit any way. They can't equip, transport, house, train or even feed the few they have recruited and then pitched directly into the meat grinder, presumably before they starve them to death.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I disagree somewhat. Sanctions are more directly targeted at the high-up policy makers who generally skim the economic cream for themselves. They are the ones with the access and now the motive to repaint the vehicle of state.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
I thought Belarus was suppose to invade Ukraine in a joint operation with the Russians. I think the invasion will be the Belarussians in the front with the Russian at their back, the plan being to kill them and get them out of the way by throwing them against the Ukrainians as a distraction. If there is to be no Belarus and it will be absorbed into Russia, then they don't need an army, that would be a problem, especially this rebellious one. They need to secretly talk to the Ukrainians, I think.
DIY-HP-LED
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I did say "particularly for the movers and shakers who feel it most acuity", but a general decline in society is also required to generate social discontent. Vlad's base is composed of little old ladies and pensioners for the most part, believe it or not. They consume state TV and vote for his party in sham elections where the opposition has been eliminated, intimidated or stifled and the vote rigged any way. Vlad takes care of pensioners, and they got a lot while education got shit, but the youth had the internet and increasing exposure to global culture and democratic values.
Take here for example, most people have it pretty good, go into many of my neighbor's homes and it's pretty nice and the backyard is like a paradise, if they garden. People like this don't rebel, they have little reason from a material perspective and their social and political one is largely ok too. Oil and gas wealth largely insulated Vlad from his mismanagement, corruption and folly and kept the whole festering mess rolling downhill till it came to a hard stop and flew apart. It's in the process of that hard stop now when it ran up against Ukraine and has to face facts and come to terms.
oldsilvertip55
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coming up it sounds like they have a new type of drone,on the ground!
DIY-HP-LED
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