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Sativied

Sativied

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doublejj said:
I voted for Hillary...
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I know, doesn’t make it any less disturbing you posted that rightwinged misogynistic bs. Fact is if they were mean looking men you wouldn’t have implied 6 of them are weak and incompetent compared to a masculine looking Russian. Ironically, it’s the latter who start wars. Either you’re too ignorant to realize the message of that image or you showed your true colors.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Sativied said:
I know, doesn’t make it any less disturbing you posted that rightwinged misogynistic bs. Fact is if they were mean looking men you wouldn’t have implied 6 of them are weak and incompetent compared to a masculine looking Russian. Ironically, it’s the latter who start wars. Either you’re too ignorant to realize the message of that image or you showed your true colors.
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actions speak louder than words, lets see them do something about that guy.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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doublejj said:
Those countries would be wise not to let these ORC cockroaches into their country. They need to send them back to russia to deal with the sh*t pile they left behind. It's sad to see them living well in Georgia (and other countries) next to Ukrainian refugees who's lost everything to russia. F*ck them
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It might be more useful to track them and spread them around the EU, educate them and use the mandatory courses in civics to cause them to self-organize, recruit agents among them too. One day they will return, and Vlad can't imprison them in a gulag in today's world, better they return with fond memories and an attitude, organized and ready to recruit others, instead of being conscripted. They are up against a half million strong internal federal security force; they might be better deployed in the middle of nowhere to protect vital rail bridges and substations from destruction.

It's the same idea in America and how modern civil wars are fought, cause as much shit and chaos as possible and the government not work if you can. Create social division and internal violence, they won't get their country back from scoundrels and thieves unless they spill blood. You might not be able to keep your country and constitution for the same reasons, but things are a lot worse in Russia and will get more so soon. This is how modern civil wars are fought in industrialized societies. Sow discontent and grab power, then hang onto it by any means possible, they don't worry about elections either once they have power, they can be rigged and stolen, or you can claim they were if they weren't. The truth becomes plastic and hard to pick out with a blizzard of bullshit burying it.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Sativied said:
I know, doesn’t make it any less disturbing you posted that rightwinged misogynistic bs. Fact is if they were mean looking men you wouldn’t have implied 6 of them are weak and incompetent compared to a masculine looking Russian. Ironically, it’s the latter who start wars. Either you’re too ignorant to realize the message of that image or you showed your true colors.
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I noticed the lady PMs of the Baltic states weren't among them.

This would have been a less judgmental response and made the point.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578769911954165761
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Sativied said:
I know, doesn’t make it any less disturbing you posted that rightwinged misogynistic bs. Fact is if they were mean looking men you wouldn’t have implied 6 of them are weak and incompetent compared to a masculine looking Russian. Ironically, it’s the latter who start wars. Either you’re too ignorant to realize the message of that image or you showed your true colors.
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JJ is a Vietnam veteran, a medic, who has seen the horrors of war up front and personal. While he doesn't appear to have PTSD, he nonetheless has memories and seeing the slaughter of innocents has a certain effect on him, it pisses him off! The old-fashioned idea of war was honor and rules based, when they slaughtered civilians, retaliation was an eye for an eye, in WW2 bombing civilians was a violation of international law. Since that time, we have evolved more and stronger global institutions, but we aren't there yet. However, for liberal democracies where public opinion counts "collateral damage" is to be avoided for domestic and international reasons. For our militaries it is a bug, one which technology helps to address, for them the destruction of civilians is a feature.

Do we respond by directly slaughtering civilians, it depends, if they tried to nuke us, we would, but in these circumstances a more measured and logical approach works better for a lot of reasons. Still civilians will suffer from privation when the lights go out and the sanctions bite, the vulnerable among them will die.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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DIY-HP-LED said:
It might be more useful to track them and spread them around the EU, educate them and use the mandatory courses in civics to cause them to self-organize, recruit agents among them too. One day they will return, and Vlad can't imprison them in a gulag in today's world, better they return with fond memories and an attitude, organized and ready to recruit others, instead of being conscripted. They are up against a half million strong internal federal security force; they might be better deployed in the middle of nowhere to protect vital rail bridges and substations from destruction.

It's the same idea in America and how modern civil wars are fought, cause as much shit and chaos as possible and the government not work if you can. Create social division and internal violence, they won't get their country back from scoundrels and thieves unless they spill blood. You might not be able to keep your country and constitution for the same reasons, but things are a lot worse in Russia and will get more so soon. This is how modern civil wars are fought in industrialized societies. Sow discontent and grab power, then hang onto it by any means possible, they don't worry about elections either once they have power, they can be rigged and stolen, or you can claim they were if they weren't. The truth becomes plastic and hard to pick out with a blizzard of bullshit burying it.
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Can you imagine being a Ukrainian refugee who lost everything to the russian ORC invaders and had to flee to another country seeing russian draft dodgers who empowered putin and then ran away, get welcomed with open arms while you sit destitute with nothing to return to?
 
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doublejj said:
Can you imagine being a Ukrainian refugee who lost everything to the russian ORC invaders and had to flee to another country seeing russian draft dodgers who empowered putin and then ran away, get welcomed with open arms while you sit destitute with nothing to return to?
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Better than them being in the Russian army, it hurts Russia militarily, economically and internationally. It also presents an opportunity for the wise and resourceful, these people aren't just in Europe, they are anywhere there is a border with Russia that is open. Like Ukrainian troops, they must be motivated, given hope and trained, for someday they will return and there are or will be over a half a million of them, most of the educated upper middle-class men. I say they can be spread around and that the EU and CIA should have a coherent policy for dealing with them in a "creative" way, volunteers only though, but the rest will get a civics lesson at least. They can also work, some countries like here have a dire shortage of workers, but the EU policy says, it is temporary and up to each country if they can apply for citizenship or move on to other places like North America as refugees. Just seeing how people live in the west and explaining how badly Vlad was fucking them will have an effect on some of them.
 
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