War

rebar said:

I wasn't asking about them.
I am asking progressive liberal democrats why they support war,misery and the military industrial complex.

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we support the defense of a non-agressive nation being invaded by a larger neighbor...we do not support war, if we did, we would be rooting for russia...that seems pretty obvious to me.
the military industrial complex (just got your Karl Marx handbook in the mail?) is what it is...until we can get rid of agressive neighbors, we cannot get rid of it...again, that seems pretty obvious...you don't seem to consider consequences, you just like to (try to) shame people...not happening here

rebar said:

Peace........that's my dog.
Why not answer a simple direct question?

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you didn't ask a simple direct question, you asked an extremely leading one, which is a troll trick...so we're just waiting to see what you're motivation is...

rebar said:

What makes asking why you support war loaded?
Do your own words and actions seem offensive to you?

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no, yours seem like a trap you're waiting to spring...and i'm not eager to step into it

rebar said:

I guess you'd rather be paranoid and projective than answer such a simple question.
The reason this war is happening goes back to the collapse of the soviet.
Several treaties were signed guaranteeing Ukraines sovereignty as long as they gave up the Soviet nuclear stockpiles.
The main lesson to learn from history here is never give up your nukes.

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have you gone back and read any of this thread near the beginning? i doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't be rehashing stuff we all talked about 800 pages ago...
that subject has been covered, thoroughly...if you weren't late to class and did your catch up reading, you'd know that

sorry, i fell asleep early last night, was playing catch up myself

rebar said:

I wasn't asking about them.
I am asking progressive liberal democrats why they support war,misery and the military industrial complex.

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You seem to miss what liberal progressives are about. We are one big family on this Earth. We care about our fellow brother (more or less). We feel that others have just as much right as us to live in a free and democratic country. Putin is trying to take that away from Ukraine. He attacked them and can easily end the war (oops, Special Operation) at any time by going back to Russia. But he is not willing to do that and the only thing the Ukrainians can do is fight back. The West is supplying them with the weapons to do that as Ukraine did not have the weapons to wage war with its neighbor. The West is also showing its resolve to China as China would take a cue from Russia and attack Taiwan if we just sit back.

rebar said:

I guess you'd rather be paranoid and projective than answer such a simple question.
The reason this war is happening goes back to the collapse of the soviet.
Several treaties were signed guaranteeing Ukraines sovereignty as long as they gave up the Soviet nuclear stockpiles.
The main lesson to learn from history here is never give up your nukes.

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And the rest of us that do not have nukes? That gives larger countries the green light to invade smaller countries?

DIY-HP-LED said:

Thanks to Putin's regime, the future of Russia is going to be quite depressive – experts say

330,137 views Oct 16, 2022 A demographic crisis harsher than in the 1990s. Because of the war against Ukraine and the subsequent mobilisation, the Russian economy will go into stagnation. That is how economists see the future of the Federation. And Russian entrepreneurs already feel the approach of the crisis. Learn more about the future of Russia – in our report.

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We are going to have to expend a lot of resources there. Having that big of a chunk of the world being totally fucked doesn't do anyone any good.

ummmmmm

NI: Russian authorities are working on a plan to turn the tide of NWO
Russia is working on options to inflict more damage on Ukrainian supporters in the face of the West and a plan to reverse the special operation. This is reported by The National Interest magazine.

“The Russian General Staff and intelligence agencies are apparently preparing options for the Kremlin on what can be done to inflict painful damage on foreign supporters of Ukraine. It is now widely believed in Russia that the country is fighting not so much with Ukraine as with the collective West. <...> New missile strikes in response to the shelling of the Crimean bridge are regarded in Russia as a weak response compared to what can actually be done, ”the newspaper writes. According to the journalists of the publication, now the Russian authorities are making a shift towards the national scale of the special operation. The population of the country must be motivated to win their country.

According to political scientist Dmitry Solonnikov, in order to achieve a turning point in the special operation, Russia must carry out week-long attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure . In turn, the acting governor of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, specified that a turning point was coming in the liberation of the territory of the republic, writes RT .

wasn't a very good idea to piss of a muslim huh.....finally figured that out did ya

Looks like Israel is in it now, they already were in it for medical hospital stuff

You mean Russians are not culturally sensitive? Who would have thought?

printer said:

You mean Russians are not culturally sensitive? Who would have thought?

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i know right...sheesh

resulting blackmail......no say it ain't so


p.s he's losing money like crazy now cause of sanctions

Su-34 fighter crashes in Krasnodar Region after engine catches fire, says top brass
An Su-34 fighter-bomber crashed in Yeysk in southern Russia after one of its engines burst into flames, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Monday.

"On October 17, 2022, a Su-34 aircraft crashed upon a climb during its training flight from a military airfield in the Southern Military District. The plane crashed within the city limits of Yeysk," the ministry said in a statement.

As the Russian Defense Ministry specified, the bomber crashed into the courtyard of a residential building. "The plane’s fuel caught fire after the Su-34 crashed into the courtyard of a residential building," the ministry said.

What we know about Su-34 military plane crash in Yeysk for now
According to eyewitnesses, some 20 minutes after the plane crash, a chain of bangs was heard
An Su-34 fighter-bomber crashed in Yeysk in southern Russia after one of its engines burst into flames. The fuel caught fire after the plane crashed, with the fire spreading to a residential building nearby, the Russian Defense Ministry reported. Emergency response services are working at the site.

What we know about the causes of the crash
An Su-34 took off from a military airfield of the Southern Military District for a training flight.
As the pilots reported to the ground, an engine caught fire during the takeoff, which was the cause of the crash.
The crew of two ejected, both pilots survived.

Aftermath of the crash
Spilled fuel caught fire at the site of the crash in the courtyard of an apartment building.
The fire spread to a nine-story apartment building, engulfing five floors. According to emergency services, the area of the fire in the building is 2,000 square meters.
According to early reports, 17 apartments were damaged.
Fire brigades and ambulances work at the site. Specialists from a burn unit in Krasnodar have been dispatched to the site, as well as ambulance aircraft.
According to fresh updates, two people were killed and 15 were injured in the crash.
According to local authorities, facilities near the crash site were not damaged.
Tenants have been accommodated at temporary accommodation centers.
According to eyewitnesses, some 20 minutes after the plane crash, a chain of bangs was heard.

Response from the authorities
Russian President Vladimir Putin issued an order to provide all necessary aid to all affected by the plane crash. He was briefed on the situation in reports from Krasnodar Region Governor Veniamin Kondratyev, Minister of Health Mikhail Murashko and Emergencies Minister Alexander Kurenkov, ordering them to fly to Yeysk.

The prosecutor's office launched an investigation into the crash. The Russian Investigative Committee opened a criminal case.