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dirtysteve

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Hey Al,
Just a quick one before you slip off into the night again. I have a 3'x4' flowering area. 2 2'X3' tables. A 4 or 5 week rotation. I am going to be cramming around 50 lollypops in there. The question is 600W or 1000W? Actually just wondering what you would do. Either way the light will be air cooled by A/C air from inside the house. I understand the 50W/ft^2 which puts the 600W at the minimum for the space. Thing is, I am leaning towards the 1KW just because I do not want anything fluffy. I want only the most dense of buttery nugs. Thanks.
 

GypsyBush

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Chopped 16 ladies this morning...

My rotation is finally getting established... well sort of... I still need to fine tune it...

The goal is to pull 24 lollies down every week...

4x 600w - 48 clones under each... a far cry from the Aerogarden days .. eh?!?!




 

iloveit

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Chopped 16 ladies this morning...

My rotation is finally getting established... well sort of... I still need to fine tune it...

The goal is to pull 24 lollies down every week...

4x 600w - 48 clones under each... a far cry from the Aerogarden days .. eh?!?!




Hey gypsy, what is the size of those pots in volume or in dimensions?
Do you cut the side branches during the 1st or 3rd week of flowering. I think I ve asked you before but cant find the post.
 

GypsyBush

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Hey gypsy, what is the size of those pots in volume or in dimensions?
Do you cut the side branches during the 1st or 3rd week of flowering. I think I ve asked you before but cant find the post.
My pots are 5.5" x 5.5" x 7" tall... or... 14cm x 14cm x 18cm tall...

I cut branches when I cut my clones, then pretty much anytime I see anything stretch over 1"...

I am not big on watches or calendars... but I want no branches, so whenever I see one, I chop it off...lol..

I'm very familiar with the technique, just never been able to pull it off quite like that yet. I mean that cola starts below the top of the pepsi can...no branching. Very well done. :clap:
Thanks!

I hope I didn't come out sounding like an ass... I do that a lot without meaning to...:hug:..

One thing that I have noticed is that when I chop the branches on the top 2/3 , if I do not chop it at the stem, and I leave that budsite by cutting the branch 1/8" (3cm) from the main stalk... I will get the buds to form along the stalk... and they are all pretty dense...

If I had patience, I bet that thing would fill in completely... but I am not...lol...

Cheers...:joint::peace:
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
AL B. GHOST????

or would that be casper?
hay LB, wozzup? :)

No ghosts here. They really hate people who think the supernatural is ridiculous bunkum. And they'll haunt you until you go mad. Or grow dope. :lol:

Hey Al good to see you online again.
Thanks for all your hard work at promoting the SCIENCE of growing.
Thanks, orzz, I'm truly only visiting and will be bailing off RIU soon. Just got ahead of my usual workload and have a few spare days this week. Truly, science is always your best friend. If it's science, you can replicate it yourself and use it to sniff out the difference between evil bullshit and yummy composted cow manure.

Hey Al,
Just a quick one before you slip off into the night again. I have a 3'x4' flowering area. 2 2'X3' tables.
Isn't that 4'x6'?

A 4 or 5 week rotation. I am going to be cramming around 50 lollypops in there. The question is 600W or 1000W?
I need a clarification on how big your lighted space actually is before I launch in, to be honest.

Actually just wondering what you would do. Either way the light will be air cooled by A/C air from inside the house.
If you're going to use cooltubes (and I highly recommend them), they don't need a feed form the aircon, in fact, that's a bit wasteful. A cooltube doesn't care about the difference between low-humidity, ~10C air and 20-30C ambient. Cooltubes should take their intake air from outside the room's airmass and dump it outside the room as well, taking care to be organised such as not to re-draw cooltube exhaust right back into the intake.

I understand the 50W/ft^2 which puts the 600W at the minimum for the space. Thing is, I am leaning towards the 1KW just because I do not want anything fluffy. I want only the most dense of buttery nugs. Thanks.
All depends on the actual size of the the area you need to light. As a rule, a 1000 in a cooltube will kick the pants off a 600 because both can each be spaced about the same distance from the leaves. Also as a rule, fewer ballasts are gooder. There's eddy current wastage in iron core ballasts which can be minimised by using fewer, bigger lights. In example, a 600HPS draws about 665-670W from the mains and makes about 95,000 initial lumens. A 1000 makes about 150,000lm and draws about 1100W from the mains. However, it may be better to use a pair of 600s, depending on the size & shape of the tray space.

4x 600w - 48 clones under each... a far cry from the Aerogarden days .. eh?!?!
Wowwwww, niiiice work, GB. :) Very pretty. :) Aerogarbage users, take note... :lol:

I'm very familiar with the technique, just never been able to pull it off quite like that yet. I mean that cola starts below the top of the pepsi can...no branching. Very well done. :clap:
Well, you got your answer as to how that's accomplished- scissors! Trim off any branching that appears on the lower 1/3 of the plants. The end of wks 1 & 3 is about the right time to prune in most cases, but regardless of specifically when you prune, the point is to not allow any branching more than 1" long to remain on the plants. Restricts airflow and small lower branches tend to produce popcorny buds.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Isn't that 4'x6'?
No Al, ya fuckwit, it's not. :lol:

More coffee...! :D

For a 3'x4' space, I'd probably use a 1000, but a 600 would of course be fine. A 1000 will give you better nugs on the fringe of the coverage area because of the much higher light intensity and thus foliar penetration of a 1000. A 600 will save you some cash on the power bill, tho.
 

GypsyBush

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Wowwwww, niiiice work, GB. :) Very pretty. :)
Thanks Al... :-P (wish I could frame this...lol..:eyesmoke:)

It's all you though!!!

Wish I had a hot wife and her sister to offer you... (like Bugs did..lol...)

I owe A LOT of what I accomplished to you... !kiss-ass...lol...

Here is another Gypsy Bud for you... and the moms too...lol... (I like pics...lol..) Ah hell... here's a bunch of pics...lol...:hump:

Cheers... :joint::peace:



















































 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Just a quick note for those who have lodged 'friend' requests for me. Please don't be offended, but I can't approve these. It's not because I don't like you, it's because if I approve friend reqs, I start getting bucketed with PMs. I don't like to use PMs because things I discuss privately invariably would be better discussed with the entire group. It's not unusual for several ppl to ask me the same question via PM at the same time. I just wind up retyping the same answer or comment numerous times. Moreover, I REALLY AM just visiting and I'm going to have to get back on my regular work here in the next day or two. I happen to have a little spare time for a few days, but I can't get back into running discussions which will lead to me again putting 6-8 hours a day into pot boards, an indulgence I just don't usually have time for anymore.

Sorry, hope I haven't disappointed or annoyed anyone. :(
 

knucklehead

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BTW, is it just me or are other folx getting this error?

RIU is timing out for me, usually in the late afternoon USA time, when you yank jokers are getting off work and logging on.

The site is waaaaay slow to respond, when it responds at all instead of timing out.

Downright annoying, especially when I just need to edit a typo or something requiring a keystroke or two...

It's taking about 5 mins to load a page off RIU. I don't think it's network connectivity as I can ping RIU with reasonable latency times.


I'm giving up until it's late night in Nth America. See ya later.
i think the database needs some tlc. i get the same results here in the us.

have you ever considered using the lucas formula in your sog since you can run the same mix for a while. i just started with it and has helped me a ton. mixing three parts for different phase was too much for me.

thanks.
 

dirtysteve

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Thanks Al. Yeah, 3'X4'. The reason I was going to use A/C air from the house was because my attic gets to 120F+++ in the summer here. I figured it wouldn't be much help to put hotter air through the tubes than I want in the room. But I have been thinking about the waste of good high dollar a/c air. Maybe I could bring cooler air from under the house then exhaust into the attic. All I know is ambient temps here in the summer have no business in my op.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
have you ever considered using the lucas formula in your sog since you can run the same mix for a while. i just started with it and has helped me a ton. mixing three parts for different phase was too much for me.
No, I've never messed with Lucas nor any 3-part nutes. The current recipe for all my flowering tanks is 300ml each Canna Flores parts A & B in each 125L tank, 50% grade H2O2 @ 1ml/L (125ml per tank) on mixing and every 3-4 days afterward and a few ml of pHDown, varies as needed, since my tapwater pH wanders depending on local rainfall (water treatment plant must change their scheme when we've had a lot of rain). Yields about 1000ppm. Gets no simpler.

Thanks Al. Yeah, 3'X4'. The reason I was going to use A/C air from the house was because my attic gets to 120F+++ in the summer here. I figured it wouldn't be much help to put hotter air through the tubes than I want in the room. But I have been thinking about the waste of good high dollar a/c air. Maybe I could bring cooler air from under the house then exhaust into the attic. All I know is ambient temps here in the summer have no business in my op.
Yep, I see your point. Drawing cooltube air from elsewhere and dumping it in the attic sounds like a good idea as long as there's decent attic vents to let it out. 120F air would still cool the tubes (somewhat) and remove some of the lighting heat, but would also warm up the cooltube glass & ductwork, convecting heat into the room. Best avoided, as you note.

I understand why you're using your attic, but it's an immensely challenging place to locate a grow. We haven't even touched on accessibility for watering & other maint, protection of the ceilings below in case of spills and so on. If ya gotta use your attic, ya gotta use it, but it gets sorta workish.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
ds, I meant also to make a note about FLIR. It's not legal for coppers to FLIR scan your house without a warrant and there's good reason for that. There's any number of reasons for hotspots to indicate on FLIR, unrelated to running a grow. By itself, a FLIR scan cannot possibly constitute probable cause, due to all the uncertainty. FLIR imagery MAY be used to support a warrant application IF the coppers already have other evidence indicating drug activity on the premises, but by itself will not pass muster with any well-informed judge. Flying over a neighbourhood with FLIR in a heli, randomly scanning rooftops is akin to walking snifferdogs around every house in the neighbourhood. They're both 'searches' in US legal terms and you have a US constitutional protection against police interference and unreasonable search & seizure, unless you are reasonably suspected of a crime. The only exception I can think of where the Supreme Court has upheld a public interest in a warrantless search is in breath-testing roadblocks.

FLIR is not an x-ray. It really has rather poor resolution compared to visual. You can't look through a wall and see the outline of an HPS bottle with FLIR. FLIR is a surface temp thermometer. It'll show the temp of the surface of whatever it's looking at but not the cause of that warmth. Can't hurt to consider thermal signature, but I'd worry a lot more about nosy neighbours & meter readers noticing scent and fan noise before I went to any major heroics to eliminate IR signatures.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Just start a thread in the relevant forum. Someone will chime in, hopefully one of the more knowledgeable folks.
 
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