White Widow Waterfarm. 1st Journal on the forums.

[Serapis]

I would just leave the leaves up near the top, but yeah, clean that center out, as best ya can so the air can flow through. The dry reservoirs and the air exchange in tent should be enough to avoid any mold issues. Go ahead and open up a tent vent or two as well, if you can darken your room. My room is near pitch black in middle of day thanks to some awesome shades.

I can't wait to see your harvest!

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

I also noticed at the grocery store they have these things that help remove moisture I might buy a couple of them and throw them in there before I go out of town.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Update: week 8 of Flower.



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I just noticed that the very tippy top leaves on just 3 colas are having the leaves turn straight yellow. They are pretty close tot he light but a lot of the tops are close and they aren't exhibiting the same traits. The calaxes on the tops are also yellow just on the tips and there is a clusterfuck of white pistils. I dont know if this is just nitrogen deficiency because they are in the 8th week of flower or if they are too hot. they dont have that brown burnt look that heat stress seems to leave behind so i am skeptical of that, but I was just concerned I am sure it is nothing I will be harvesting in a week and a half anyways.

Great news I dont have to go out of town so I can cut them when they are ready. Unfortunately I clipped a small bud like a half of a gram to sample and there is good news and bad news.

Good news the shit is dank as hell and I fast dried it.

Bad news I found one seed I picked a few bananas during the grow off, they showed up pretty late into flowering and there were only a few that I noticed but I guess I missed one. There is just too many buds to keep track of and I cant even get too the back part of the tent. I read here and on other forums that people often had this strain herm on them. Its a shame I ordered one more seed so i could clone it I really hope that one doesn't herm. maybe Ill let my buddy grow that one , I dont think he has encountered a herm yet its about time.

Luckily after I found the seed I did a extreme search and I dont notice any of the calaxes swelling up with seeds so hopefully it was just a small pollination or isolated. Either way the shit is dank and there is alot of it. The top buds definitly didn't get pollinated I kept track of them(Fingers crossed)

 

[upthearsenal]

Looks like light bleaching. It's definitely not anything to do with nutrients, neither a deficiency or a toxicity.

If you ever have a problem with stray pollen just spray down your garden, the walls, ceiling and such, as water neutralizes it.

 

[smokin1]

Dam dude this is a hell of a grow, cant wait to see what you end up with.

 

[Serapis]

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that problem a week or so ago. I noticed all of the leaf tips turning upwards. New growth coming up white is a deficciency in nutrients, most likely an immobile element such as Iron. The leaf tips turning up reminded me of a Magnesium issue or heat. Your almost there, no sense in doing anything drastic. How long since the last full res change out? I'm only planing on two myself, one right before flowering, and one about two weeks out from harvest, that I'll quit refilling with one week to go.

 

[T.M.B]

Thats funny you mention res changes because my pe is drinking the farm dry in one day even if i fill it an inch past the white line. I about freaked out the other morning when i opened my door to see no water in the tube then i flipped up the foil to see no drips. My other farm can make it through the day but its close as well, I am pretty sure the root system is definately filled my res. For my next grow i am doing 2 pe's and I am going to get that larger res to add on i will probably get a couple more farms as well,and Jim i wouldnt sweat it at this point your buds look nice i am day 18 of 12/12 today and its pretty nice seeing them get bigger everyday.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Yea she drinks a gallon a day so i do about two res changes a week, I am running around 1700-1800 ppm so there shouldn't be a problem, she is a beast though. Those leaf edges have been like that the whole grow its funny, I also noticed in other pictures of coletrain on the internet that edges kinda spiked. I did have a P and possibily a K defeciencey throughtout the grow a very light one, I guess I could have been feeding her more. It is hard to asses what she wants because the PPM is always going to rise dramatically because so much water is used all the time. I would think if the PPM was going down she would want more food but its practically impossible to track this in a wasterfarm. I have another coletrain seeds got all my seeds yesterday from attitude Headband, ColeTrain, Pinapple Express, Pinapple Chunk, and Red Diesel. Fuckin love attitude except for the fact that one of my freebees is a autoflower even though I didn't order a single autoflower strain you think they would notice that and switch them out and vice versa.

I am not going to worry about that problem it could be light bleaching could be a nute problem all I know is its gonna be one hell of a sticky night trimming this bitch.

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

Looks like light bleaching. It's definitely not anything to do with nutrients, neither a deficiency or a toxicity.

If you ever have a problem with stray pollen just spray down your garden, the walls, ceiling and such, as water neutralizes it.

Great tip I just read too use a little bleach witht he water I am going to make sure I wash that tent down good. I tried to catch all the pollen sacs but that damn coletrain I should have known she would do it, when you find 10 other people on the internet saying a strain hermed its never a good thing.

But listen to me complain how spoiled am I, the coletrain was a free seed and look what she has done for me, I am pretty impressed by her genetics if I could just find a pheno with non herme tendency's.

 

[T.M.B]

That sounds like a nice batch of seeds I was so impressed how easy the pe was to grow compared to the sharksbreath i already have two clones started in my other farms. I have some tasty ones on deck as well SLH,WW WR,Trainwreck,church,KK,AMS and a blueberry gum all fem I have two reg seeds as well lemon skunk and sour cream but only growing 2 at a time i will stick with the fems. After my next round of pe iwill probably get a couple mango clones from my bro it seems pretty fricken tasty. So about your dilema all those choices whats next?

 

[Serapis]

Speaking of freebies, I just starting germing a freebie Reserva Privada Kandy Kush.... Anyone here do one before?

I would love to grow mango.... smoked some not too long ago and it was the best.

 

[upthearsenal]

The reason I say it's not a deficiency is because I read on Al B.'s most recent thread that any decent hydro nutrient will have everything a plant needs, and something that looks like a deficiency is some other fuck up... and to me, that makes perfect sense.

 

[Serapis]

The reason I say it's not a deficiency is because I read on Al B.'s most recent thread that any decent hydro nutrient will have everything a plant needs, and something that looks like a deficiency is some other fuck up... and to me, that makes perfect sense.

And you may be right, however, you aren't considering that we are asking a single plant to support multiple new growth tips, and that plant could easily deplete a specific nutrient while allowing others to build up, meaning fewer ppm's available for new nutrient. The problem compounds until you change out reservoirs. In the case of a Waterfarm, it is too easy to consider daily waterings as equaling a change out. Just because a single formula has everything a plant needs in it, doesn't mean we are giving the plant everything it needs. It looks like a deficciency to me. I don't know what fuck up would cause new growth to be light in color, or white for that matter, but I'm willing to learn something new. I'd love to see what a foliar feeding of N would do

 

[upthearsenal]

Okay, I see what you're saying. I don't know how high of a ppm this plant can take, but it seems like it's good. An N def. will show up on older leafs, and any kind of N def at this point is good considering where he is in flowering. Idk why anyone would foliar feed at eight weeks for an N def, plus the potentiality of mold but okay..

Although, if it does happen to be a deficiency it'd be interesting to see what causes calyxes to turn yellow/white along with the leafs.

 

[inbudwetrust]

Great Journal bro

 

[jimbizzzale67123]

It could be a couple of problems I think this plant is a pretty heavy feeder I just wasn't willing to take a chance at burning the roots. I will grow coletrain again so next time I will push the nutes a bit faster.

 

[Serapis]

Okay, I see what you're saying. I don't know how high of a ppm this plant can take, but it seems like it's good. An N def. will show up on older leafs, and any kind of N def at this point is good considering where he is in flowering. Idk why anyone would foliar feed at eight weeks for an N def, plus the potentiality of mold but okay..

Although, if it does happen to be a deficiency it'd be interesting to see what causes calyxes to turn yellow/white along with the leafs.

I wasn't actually suggesting foliar feeding Areseneo, that was to make a point that this is indeed from a deficciency. http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseedbank.com/Growguides/troubleshootingsolutions/marijuana-health-problems.html#mn

There is an outside source. ANY discoloration of leaves and new growth is caused by a nutrient problem. In fact, foliar feeding with a complete fert is indeed called for with yellowing new growth or tops as a fix for the problem. I'm getting the feeling you think I'm in this tug of war or back and forth with you over his leaf problems. I've provided an outside source that seems to go along with what I'm saying. Are you able to provide any reasonable explanation or source about what is causing the problem and how to fix it? I still think it is an Fe or Mn problem.

 

[upthearsenal]

Areseneo? Come on man no need for petty insults...

I don't see anywhere in your little link that discusses calyxes turning yellow. Are you just overlooking that? It's quite clear in the pics that it's more than the leaf. So until you find me something that details what deficiency manifests itself on the calyxes don;t act like a dick, because until that last post I thought we having a simple discussion. So maybe you thought we were having a "tug of war", but it's not at all how I'm going about this, I'm not trying to win... What if it is just simple albinism?
There's more possibilities than deficiencies.

Either way, hypothetically, let's go with Fe and Mn deficiencies:
Iron deficiency:
- Pronounced interveinal chlorosis similar to that caused by magnesium deficiency but on the younger leaves.
-Leaves exhibit chlorosis (yellowing) of the leaves mainly between the veins, starting with the lower and middle leaves.
Fe is unavailable to plants when the pH of the water or soil is too high. If deficient, lower the pH to about 6.5 (for rockwool, about 5.7), and check that you're not adding too much P, which can lock up Fe. Use iron that's chelated for maximum availability. Read your fertilizer's ingredients - chelated iron might read something like "iron EDTA". To much Fe without adding enough P can cause a P-deficiency.

Manganese Deficiency:
Interveinal chlorosis of younger leaves, necrotic lesions and leaf shredding are typical symptom of this deficiency. High levels can cause uneven distribution of chlorophyll resulting in blotchy appearance (necrosis). Restricted growth and failure to mature normally can also result.
-Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use chelated Mn.

here's a chart as well: http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/tables_guide.php

I can kind of see why you think it's one of those deficiencies...

Quick Breakdown:
It could be a Fe def. if his pH is off, or there is too much P which will will cause a lock-out.
If it's an Mn def. it's could be due to a high pH, or too much Iron.

So according to "any reasonable explanation or source about what is causing the problem", fix your pH, and make sure there isn't too much P to cause a lock out.

Hopefully, Serapis, you realize that just because you disagree with someone you don't have to call them names.

 

[Serapis]

I wasn't calling you names, lol, you have an avatar of him and you have his name in your screen name, it seemed appropriate... I'm not sure where the defensive feelings are coming from on that one.

And yes there very well could be other explanations, but up until a minute ago, you hadn't proffered any, you were just speculating. I merely wanted you to offer us something in the way of a plausible explanation if it wasn't a nutrient issue, and now you have, albeit briefly, albinoism.

 

[upthearsenal]

Okay haha, that's kinda funny, but surely if I had him in my avatar I'd get the joke .

Anyways, Jim, I'd say if it were a nutrient deficiency, you should maybe look at your notes and check when the problem started, and if there were any changes in your regime. It might be something to look out for in the future. Either way, it looks like she's put on some serious weight, and now those nugs just need to ripen. Btw how long were you planning on taking her?