MMPR Grow op: Small Scale
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leaffan
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Perhaps I should have said a quality lobbyist. Someone with the contacts and more importantly the relationships with the right people within the government.
Laugh if you want, but as you are very aware having the right contacts and relationships have produced licences already. This laughable advice comes from a high profile lawyer that deals with the government on a frequent basis and has no ulterior motives. I thought it would be good to share his view point. Maybe you have more experience and better contacts within the government than my lawyer does.
I must say that I like your consulting strategy. Having a client dependent on yourself will ensure a very long and profitable relationship. Assuming they pay as they go and not on actually getting licensed. After rereading paragraph three and four it looks like applicants won't stand a chance of approval without your inside regulatory knowledge and guidance.
leaffan
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Also...you don't see what the big deal is? That speaks volumes.
I don't think it's the fact that applicants will have to come up with the extra cash to meet level 7. I think the problem is the bar keeps moving. What's next? Only you and the government knows.
woodsmaneh!
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Yes we are, we talk to Health Canada and have regular correspondence with them on lots of issues. This gives us insight to what the short falls are is the regulations. We than help flesh out what HC should be asking for, and the reply they should get. As an example over the last couple months we have been defining what "too many houses means" for HC. Our security team went to work and came up with a risk and threat assessment that exceeds HC requirements by working with HC and showing them how to define the issues. Our security team has 120 years of LEO experience and they got the job done by helping to define the requirement. I have a number of other examples but they are a competitive advantage in this market so will keep them to myself. We don't have an ax to grind and all our people are experts so HC loves us and what we do. Just a little peek under the covers for everyone.
We love it when HC say's no or changes something that's a challenge we live for that.
Good luck all.
No one is going to like my ^^^ but people this is big business and it gets harder to get into as every day passes, the harder it gets the better for the industry as it makes it safer for everyone. HC did not do a good job on the regulations rushing them into law, this made lots of people think they can be LP's. The truth is you can't under today requirements and you don't have to believe me just look at the screw ups from those licensed!!
Tweed OMG don't get me started, they are an easy target but, the recalls in our industry shows most are not ready for this and they have all the money in the world WTF are you going to do when shit hits the fan, do you have enough money to buy an irradiation system? It's $500,000.00 for a used one and Tweed had to use one or burn their product. Turns out they should have burned it as they refunded everyone who called and complained about the shawg the sell.
Yes Health Canada does not love you and will do as little as possible to help you, that's not going to change, get over it!
Do something about it, form a small LP user group and bring your weight to bear on the issues at HC. Have a bull session and see what you can do better. Have some one do a GAP analysis of your proposal, but just don't sit there improve your at one section at a time.
I guess I have gone over to the dark side a bit over the year but stop bitching and do something. I get it HC stop changing the rules, I could not agree more. Till they do that we will be here to help as little or as much as clients want.
My first boos gave me some good advice
"If it's to be, it's up to ME"
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leaffan
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In addition to your consulting work are you also an applicant?
the 700 are already denied, only 280 or less to go threw.
a lawyer gives advice, a lobbyist wil also give way better informative advice,
if you think that having a lobbyist on your side will get you threw? dig deep, imo 100k will get you very close to approval, 2-5k just to ask a question from the lobbyist on your file,
level 7 is easy and should have been done from the start imo. 12k for a vault door, then the concrete should run the vault up to 20k depending on size.
this is not a basement grow lol
also regulations are made to be changed daily
The Hippy
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You can drag a patient to the weed, but you can't make em buy the crap. Keep on dreamin LP's.....pray for legal.
Please keep on setting up more LP's because that will help them all fail lol. what a stupid business to put your eggs into. Dream on greed bags. dream on.
Please keep on setting up more LP's because that will help them all fail lol. what a stupid business to put your eggs into. Dream on greed bags. dream on.
leaffan
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5-10k, pain in the ass for the ones that have already built though
oddish
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Correct. If you already had your LOI and built, it's inconvenient.
If all you have is a floorplan and a building, it's a reasonable change at a semi-reasonable cost.
I did the math and security level 5 and 6 really only allowed you to keep a tiny amount of product "on hand". Almost any facility larger than very, very small would require level 7 just because they value all product at $10 / gram and it's based on the total value of vault contents.
To the best of my understanding anyways..
The Hippy
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10 bucks a gram....seriously...what a laugh.....and this will solve the accessibility issues will it? Those high prices will bury that industry unless they get legalization. Who can pay those prices??? So if you use 5g a day you should cough up $1500 a month.
WTF is wrong with you guys that keeps you ignoring that little fact. The greed has your eye blurred I'm afraid. I would NEVER pay that...who else here would? What spend 18k a year on meds....Your just a bunch of greedy Jackels if you think that will work.
WTF is wrong with you guys that keeps you ignoring that little fact. The greed has your eye blurred I'm afraid. I would NEVER pay that...who else here would? What spend 18k a year on meds....Your just a bunch of greedy Jackels if you think that will work.
WHATFG
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I will try really hard to be as civil and respectful as I possibly can. I will assure you that I'm not as diplomatic as my friend leaffan.
First I don't post much in this thread because I don't wannabe...in fact I don't really like or agree with this program. And at the risk of getting my ass chewed by others that don't like this system, I am going to now defend the small time grower.
I am about fairness to the best of my ability. HC said that this was going to be open to whoever, but they didn't like the response they got so they changed the rules. That automatically eliminated a certain number of applicants. But it was still too many so they changed the rules again. It's the pattern that is a problem for me. Instead of putting on their big boy pants and just coming out and admitting that the number of LP's was going to be limited to ??, they have allowed some to think they've had a fighting chance when they didn't have a hope in hell of ever getting licenced. That is not fair.
How does expertise in law enforcement qualify you and yours to determine what is best for this program? Has there been any consultation with patients? Wannabes and LP's seem to forget the whole reason this bullshit even exists is for people who are sick. It's supposed to be about access.
So will you acknowledge, since you're so close to law enforcement, all the lies that have been spewed about the mmar about all the fires, and mold etc? I gotta tell ya wood, I find it all a little disgusting that you and yours could potentially be holding back some of the best medicine patients in this country have come across. Making it more difficult for small time growers is not serving the people this program is meant for. This program, allowing foreigners to come into this country and act like they can grow better weed than the folks that have been growing for themselves and others for years without complaint, is an insult.
Do you have any other association with the plant other than to sell your sops and your connections with HC? Why is it getting harder to get licenced? After all this time it should be getting easier....it's the hidden agenda driving this. While I don't know you personally, I now see you and yours as bending everyone over so HC can slam it home.
The fact that law enforcement is shaping medical marijuana legislation in this country makes me want to puke. They have no fucking business determining how many houses are too many houses to have in proximity to a legal business. How are the shortfalls of the regulations determined? I think I might be entertained to hear what they are compared to to make "improvements". Oh that's right, they just change it as they go along. But how long can you keep tweaking it before the SC tells all of you to.....end rant.
First I don't post much in this thread because I don't wannabe...in fact I don't really like or agree with this program. And at the risk of getting my ass chewed by others that don't like this system, I am going to now defend the small time grower.
I am about fairness to the best of my ability. HC said that this was going to be open to whoever, but they didn't like the response they got so they changed the rules. That automatically eliminated a certain number of applicants. But it was still too many so they changed the rules again. It's the pattern that is a problem for me. Instead of putting on their big boy pants and just coming out and admitting that the number of LP's was going to be limited to ??, they have allowed some to think they've had a fighting chance when they didn't have a hope in hell of ever getting licenced. That is not fair.
How does expertise in law enforcement qualify you and yours to determine what is best for this program? Has there been any consultation with patients? Wannabes and LP's seem to forget the whole reason this bullshit even exists is for people who are sick. It's supposed to be about access.
So will you acknowledge, since you're so close to law enforcement, all the lies that have been spewed about the mmar about all the fires, and mold etc? I gotta tell ya wood, I find it all a little disgusting that you and yours could potentially be holding back some of the best medicine patients in this country have come across. Making it more difficult for small time growers is not serving the people this program is meant for. This program, allowing foreigners to come into this country and act like they can grow better weed than the folks that have been growing for themselves and others for years without complaint, is an insult.
Do you have any other association with the plant other than to sell your sops and your connections with HC? Why is it getting harder to get licenced? After all this time it should be getting easier....it's the hidden agenda driving this. While I don't know you personally, I now see you and yours as bending everyone over so HC can slam it home.
The fact that law enforcement is shaping medical marijuana legislation in this country makes me want to puke. They have no fucking business determining how many houses are too many houses to have in proximity to a legal business. How are the shortfalls of the regulations determined? I think I might be entertained to hear what they are compared to to make "improvements". Oh that's right, they just change it as they go along. But how long can you keep tweaking it before the SC tells all of you to.....end rant.
oddish
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Hippy, read it again. Their valuation of on-hand product is based at $10 a gram. Has absolutely nothing to do with the selling price.
woodsmaneh!
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Bummed me out too as the rules changed and it got harder to understand what HC wanted. Adapt or perish as the saying goes. I don't want to start a bun fight but small growers with limited resources will falter, but if the new vault is a struggle to come up with the money, that is a good sign to step away. You need far to many skills to do it by yourself. If it was easy no one would hire me or lawyers or lobbyist, that is a reflection on HC not me. HC changed the program as they see fit and will continue to evolve it for the life of the program. Why not give constructive suggestions to help define for example "too many houses" just what does that mean and how do you do respond to HC when they say that or do you just roll over. Well I don't roll over and never have, I get the answer and if I don't like it I work to change it and make it mean something when changed so the next time I know what I'm dealing with and so will you.
If your paying $12,000 for a vault door I have a bunch I'll sell you for $10,000.
The Narcotics control values Cannabis at $10,000 a kilo for vault evaluation.
A level 7 will hold $1,250,000 or 125 kilos = 22 pound a month
Licencee Holdings 7 $250,001 to $1,250,000
Licencee Holdings 6 $50,001 to $250,000
Licencee Holdings 5 $10,001 to $50,000
Licencee Holdings 4 $0.00 to $10,000
PS By the way I don't force anyone to use our services, but it's nice to know there is someone you can go to if HC is beating you up. I'm not the only person out there, just the best, lol ask me I'll tell you.
If your paying $12,000 for a vault door I have a bunch I'll sell you for $10,000.
The Narcotics control values Cannabis at $10,000 a kilo for vault evaluation.
A level 7 will hold $1,250,000 or 125 kilos = 22 pound a month
Licencee Holdings 7 $250,001 to $1,250,000
Licencee Holdings 6 $50,001 to $250,000
Licencee Holdings 5 $10,001 to $50,000
Licencee Holdings 4 $0.00 to $10,000
PS By the way I don't force anyone to use our services, but it's nice to know there is someone you can go to if HC is beating you up. I'm not the only person out there, just the best, lol ask me I'll tell you.
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oddish
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Precisely. Anyone who thought they could supply patients off these #s was fooling themselves.That's small, boutique supply.
I support small wannabes, but if you woke up and thought Health Canada would want to help you support less than 1000 patients when they have another company applying beside you who promises to care for 10,000 patients... it just isn't sensible this early in the game.