Changing opinion on Global Warming

Bugeye

Bugeye

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bu$hleaguer

bu$hleaguer

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Bugeye said:
After 400 hours of research, this "Vegan Democrat" changes his opinion on AGW.

An interesting read, albeit long: https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-climate-change-the-science-is-not-settled-1e3ae4712ace#.58or18co0

A good rebuttal: https://medium.com/@miriamob/climate-change-is-real-and-important-646b663adcf#.v8wal1p5m

Rebuttal to the rebuttal: https://medium.com/@pullnews/climate-change-is-it-real-and-important-8a9c824853ff#.dq9lapk6y

Science settled?
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Good read, thank you!
 
Bugeye

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abandonconflict said:
400 hours of research eh?

Sounds like a waste of 400 hours, seeing as how you're linking blogs and news articles by a businessman and a feminist activist. Why don't you post a peer reviewed article that contradicts AGW?

I bet you can't even find one.
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What do you mean by contradicts AGW? The discussion is around the amount of warming that can be expected, is it not? Even the IPCC provides a range of estimates. You want peer reviewed articles that present evidence against the alarmist (most extreme) view of the IPCC? Plenty of them.

If we are discussing how settled the science is, one need look no further than the most sensitive variable in the climate models averaged by the IPCC in their consensus view and what the IPCC says about our understanding of that variable.
 
abandonconflict

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Bugeye said:
What do you mean by contradicts AGW?
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A peer reviewed article which finds that anthropogenic global warming is not occurring.

I bet you can't find one.

Don't just try to move the goal posts by saying some bs about alarmist findings. Some are very alarmist, some are kind of alarmist, some are grudgingly admitting that the AGW theory is solid. Sounds like the science is settled to me, the AGW theory has no real science contradicting it.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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abandonconflict said:
A peer reviewed article which finds that anthropogenic global warming is not occurring.

I bet you can't find one.

Don't just try to move the goal posts by saying some bs about alarmist findings. Some are very alarmist, some are kind of alarmist, some are grudgingly admitting that the AGW theory is solid. Sounds like the science is settled to me, the AGW theory has no real science contradicting it.
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So if the science is settled, why did you just discuss three different views? Hmmm? That doesn't sound settled.

If you actually read the link you would find links to peer reviewed studies that do not support the high end of the warming range.

I will gladly concede that I do not know anyone who believes or argues that the climate is not changing.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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abandonconflict said:
Views are not science. Do you have a peer reviewed study contradicting AGW?
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You aren't really helping me with what you mean by "contradicting AGW". Love to play along, but don't know what you are talking about. Just too general. Differently people define it differently. You want a paper that says humans are not contributing to changes in the environment? You'll have to find that yourself as that is not something I have seen or believe. Sorry.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Bugeye said:
You aren't really helping me with what you mean by "contradicting AGW". Love to play along, but don't know what you are talking about. Just too general. Differently people define it differently. You want a paper that says humans are not contributing to changes in the environment? You'll have to find that yourself as that is not something I have seen or believe. Sorry.
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So you DO admit that humans are causing the rise in CO2 which is responsible for global warming.

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Bugeye

Bugeye

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abandonconflict said:
So you DO admit that humans are causing the rise in CO2 which is responsible for global warming.

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I would say that humans are unquestionably contributing to increases in CO2. Is this in doubt?

I would say that CO2 is a known greenhouse gas. Is this in doubt?

I would say you are trolling me. And I love you anyway. Peace to you and yours.
 
Wavels

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Bugeye said:
So if the science is settled, why did you just discuss three different views? Hmmm? That doesn't sound settled.

If you actually read the link you would find links to peer reviewed studies that do not support the high end of the warming range.

I will gladly concede that I do not know anyone who believes or argues that the climate is not changing.
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AC is an unabashed Statist who simply parrots the big Government mantra that only the Government can save the future of the planet.

It makes no difference whatsoever that somehow, miraculously, the Earth has survived and endured tumultuous change in climate well before the advent of Human Beings.
Wild gyrations in temperature occurred millions of years ago...no Humans around.

No possibility of AGW or AGC...there were no Humans to blame!

The climate has changed dramatically before mankind existed, and will most certainly continue to change when mankind exits the planet.

With or without Humans, you can all rest assured, that the climate will most certainly continue to change.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Wavels said:
AC is an unabashed Statist who simply parrots the big Government mantra that only the Government can save the future of the planet.

It makes no difference whatsoever that somehow, miraculously, the Earth has survived and endured tumultuous change in climate well before the advent of Human Beings.
Wild gyrations in temperature occurred millions of years ago...no Humans around.

No possibility of AGW or AGC...there were no Humans to blame!

The climate has changed dramatically before mankind existed, and will most certainly continue to change when mankind exits the planet.

With or without Humans, you can all rest assured, that the climate will most certainly continue to change.
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I have conversed with a lot of climate skeptics but never met one that did not believe the climate has changed and will change. Really not the question as I think the idea of the climate changing really IS settled science.
 
Bugeye

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ChesusRice

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Global warming is a hoax by people who hate coal and the Koch bros.

I can cite a definitive study that was funded by Exxon run out of a quonset hut In Montana that proves there is no such thing as global warming

This think tank in a Montana had also shown that earth is only 6000 years old and god put dinosaur fossils where we could find them
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Flaming Pie said:
He never said he didn't believe in it. Lol.

He was very direct and forthcoming with his views.
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BS

This old canard about not agreeing with alarmism assumes science is alarmist in nature. The findings are the findings and the reaction is either alarmist or not. He says the science is not settled, but he never presented an iota of scientific findings that upend the settled science.
 
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