abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
This is a bipartisan issue. Don't you just love how the Communist Party of China has brought a little unity to the US political sphere? In the title, I stipulated "Communist China" because we really ought not to be racist against the Chinese people. Let's recognize that they have one of the world's largest diasporas with ethnic enclaves in almost every major city in the world and many of the smaller cities as well. It seems that people just can't wait to get away from the authoritarian iron fist of Xi Jinping the Pooh. Not even a festival to eat so many thousands of dogs is sufficient to make people want to stay there. Anyway I'm just ranting against the world's most terrifying political regime. I'll leave the details of the trade war to the thread. It is long past the time we let them benefit from corporate greed.
I think it is forgivable to buy Chinese products if your budget doesn't allow you to buy products from innovative companies. By that I mean companies that do their own r&d instead of stealing tech and undercutting the companies who invented tech. This goes far beyond computing. For example, Kawasaki can't win a contract to build High Speed Rail because their pricing must reflect massive R&D investments, so Chinese firms are the only ones selling this Japanese technology. Does that mean that every city that wants high speed rail should choose to pay more, even if the Chinese knock-offs are of much lower quality? It doesn't make sense - in my opinion - to blame consumers for going for the lower cost option. So I guess that makes me a proponent of tariffs but let's not mistake that for support of Trump. Almost any functional human could probably do a better job convincing the public of the need to abandon a Laissez Faire approach to global trade. Furthermore, he has indiscriminately and recklessly waged his tariff war on many other countries, including strategic allies.
Where do you stand? Did you support the TransPacific Partnership? Are you aware that the US military has engaged the PLA twice militarily in the 20th century? Korea and Vietnam were both proxy wars in which the PLA kicked our asses. Let's not fool ourselves, we played right into their hands invading those two countries and lost tens of thousands of lives and countless treasure. This rise coincided with their rise to becoming the second wealthiest nation and the most populous in the world despite their revolution having cost tens of millions of Chinese lives. In fact, they exported their revolutionary ideology (along with armaments) to Cambodia where it killed a third of the Khmer people. Now, it is essentially illegal for Tibetans to speak their own language. Uighur organs are for sale to medical tourists.
Do you think we should let this regime build the world's next telecommunications infrastructure so that they can plug their massive Orwellian apparatus of AI and facial recognition into it and observe everyone who criticizes them? Should we continue to do nothing about the fentanyl killing more than 60k Americans per year just because the UK waged an opium war over a hundred years ago?
Militarily dominating another country for the purpose of neocolonial economic exploitation has at times been Uncle Sam's forte. This has stoked anti-war sentiments and protests. We were sending kids to war in poor countries in order to bring profit to our corporate overlords (the same who love Chinese labor) but a military campaign against China is starting to seem like a moral obligation akin to the great war that our fathers and grandfathers fought three quarters of a century ago. I'm not suggesting we go to war, but as someone who has actively protested against war in the last couple of decades, I wouldn't protest if we destroyed the PLA's military assets outside of China or even destroyed the PLA altogether.
I bet millions of ethnic Han would like to see China free of them too.
I think it is forgivable to buy Chinese products if your budget doesn't allow you to buy products from innovative companies. By that I mean companies that do their own r&d instead of stealing tech and undercutting the companies who invented tech. This goes far beyond computing. For example, Kawasaki can't win a contract to build High Speed Rail because their pricing must reflect massive R&D investments, so Chinese firms are the only ones selling this Japanese technology. Does that mean that every city that wants high speed rail should choose to pay more, even if the Chinese knock-offs are of much lower quality? It doesn't make sense - in my opinion - to blame consumers for going for the lower cost option. So I guess that makes me a proponent of tariffs but let's not mistake that for support of Trump. Almost any functional human could probably do a better job convincing the public of the need to abandon a Laissez Faire approach to global trade. Furthermore, he has indiscriminately and recklessly waged his tariff war on many other countries, including strategic allies.
Where do you stand? Did you support the TransPacific Partnership? Are you aware that the US military has engaged the PLA twice militarily in the 20th century? Korea and Vietnam were both proxy wars in which the PLA kicked our asses. Let's not fool ourselves, we played right into their hands invading those two countries and lost tens of thousands of lives and countless treasure. This rise coincided with their rise to becoming the second wealthiest nation and the most populous in the world despite their revolution having cost tens of millions of Chinese lives. In fact, they exported their revolutionary ideology (along with armaments) to Cambodia where it killed a third of the Khmer people. Now, it is essentially illegal for Tibetans to speak their own language. Uighur organs are for sale to medical tourists.
Do you think we should let this regime build the world's next telecommunications infrastructure so that they can plug their massive Orwellian apparatus of AI and facial recognition into it and observe everyone who criticizes them? Should we continue to do nothing about the fentanyl killing more than 60k Americans per year just because the UK waged an opium war over a hundred years ago?
Militarily dominating another country for the purpose of neocolonial economic exploitation has at times been Uncle Sam's forte. This has stoked anti-war sentiments and protests. We were sending kids to war in poor countries in order to bring profit to our corporate overlords (the same who love Chinese labor) but a military campaign against China is starting to seem like a moral obligation akin to the great war that our fathers and grandfathers fought three quarters of a century ago. I'm not suggesting we go to war, but as someone who has actively protested against war in the last couple of decades, I wouldn't protest if we destroyed the PLA's military assets outside of China or even destroyed the PLA altogether.
I bet millions of ethnic Han would like to see China free of them too.
