Please help! S-O-S

[Yadam]

meh i used it......it worked but i personally liked Gaia green living soil for a bagged soil,it's pretty easy for a newb gardener...just use the living soil in a bag, up pot a couple weeks before flip to give it some fresh soil then top dress with Gaia green power bloom @ 2 ,4 of flower(could also do at 6) at the recomended rate for top dressing stated on the jug .
just add water and you'll have some beautiful organic buds in the end provided you have decent clone/seed

thanks I’ll try this next time.

 

[Yadam]

When did they start looking shitty like that? It’s weird to me if they were able to get to that point and begin producing flower then just start dying if nothing changed. Think back: something must have triggered this reaction. If they’d been this unhealthy all along they wouldn’t have even reached this size.

They both were growing fine under a 200w 6500 CFL. When I put them into flower they started to slowly look like this. That’s why I thought either the light was too intense or they were getting too hot.

 

[Yadam]

That is 100% a rootzone issue and it they didnt just suddenly take a shit. That cover crop looks to be growing OK so this either a poor attempt at a troll job or......

hey thanks. Do you think there’s a fix here?

 

[getogrow]

That intense light is forceing them to try and eat more then is available .....so a short answer to your question , is yes, raise the lights way up and that will help. The medium is fucked right now but you might be able to fix it by giving them some molasses and actual chemical food. The chems will feed her while the molasses is feeding bacteria to try an help fix the mess....

 

[Yadam]

Thank you! I have a mix aerating now (2 gal RO,1 tablespoon of molasses, 2 teaspoon URB, 2 teaspoons liquid seaweed, and 2 teaspoons of Neptunes harvest Fish & Seaweed) What additional Nutrients do you recommend?

I'm growing in a bloom box so height is an issue. My QB 648 is dimmable, so I can turn it down, but I can't adjust the height. Right now i've turned down the light to a little over 60%.

 

[getogrow]

Thank you! I have a mix aerating now (2 gal RO,1 tablespoon of molasses, 2 teaspoon URB, 2 teaspoons liquid seaweed, and 2 teaspoons of Neptunes harvest Fish & Seaweed) What additional Nutrients do you recommend?

I'm growing in a bloom box so height is an issue. My QB 648 is dimmable, so I can turn it down, but I can't adjust the height. Right now i've turned down the light to a little over 60%.

Ive personally have not found a good way to fix that organically but there are so many members here that can help more on that. Ive been out of the organic loop for too long now.
Use the nutes you have with 50% of the light.....or use a balanced chemical with 100% light. (on this grow , i would stick to turning them down to 50% or so because them girls wont ever use the full 100% of that light)

 

[Mrs. Weedstein]

They both were growing fine under a 200w 6500 CFL. When I put them into flower they started to slowly look like this. That’s why I thought either the light was too intense or they were getting too hot.

Yeah then it must have something to do with that. I am dubious that it’s the soil if they were growing fine and then went to shit after the flip.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Yeah then it must have something to do with that. I am dubious that it’s the soil if they were growing fine and then went to shit after the flip.

I agree. If he went from a weak CFL to a powerful HLG Diablo board, that's gonna shock the shit outta them if you don't do it right. It takes them time to adjust. He should've started them really high and turned down, and slowly acclimated it to the QB.

There might be more going on there too. That's one fried plant. He could be causing lockouts by trying to give it too much.

Thank you! I have a mix aerating now (2 gal RO,1 tablespoon of molasses, 2 teaspoon URB, 2 teaspoons liquid seaweed, and 2 teaspoons of Neptunes harvest Fish & Seaweed) What additional Nutrients do you recommend?

I'm growing in a bloom box so height is an issue. My QB 648 is dimmable, so I can turn it down, but I can't adjust the height. Right now i've turned down the light to a little over 60%.

Why are you giving it so much seaweed? The Neptune's Harvest already has seaweed in it. You're mix has a lot of K in it. The seaweed and molasses both have K. I don't know what URB is. Too much K can lockout other nutes. I don't know, it was just a thought.

 

[Yadam]

I had both Neptune’s harvest and liquid seaweed. The recommended dose was a tablespoon per gallon, Three teaspoons = 1 tablespoons so I used two teaspoons of each for 2 gals. Here’s the info for URB it’s a stimulative poly-microbial inoculant.

URB Natural ™| Unrivaled Soil Microbes: Increase Yields, Reduce Inputs

URB Natural, is an award winning, organic, stimulative poly-microbial inoculant. Noticeable effects from Seed to Final Flush. When it comes down to results, we are the worlds best!

www.urbmicrobes.com

 

[PadawanWarrior]

I had both Neptune’s harvest and liquid seaweed. The recommended dose was a tablespoon per gallon, Three teaspoons = 1 tablespoons so I used two teaspoons of each for 2 gals. Here’s the info for URB it’s a stimulative poly-microbial inoculant.

URB Natural ™| Unrivaled Soil Microbes: Increase Yields, Reduce Inputs

URB Natural, is an award winning, organic, stimulative poly-microbial inoculant. Noticeable effects from Seed to Final Flush. When it comes down to results, we are the worlds best!

www.urbmicrobes.com

OK. Those are microbes. They're good.

The powerful light will also make them eat more like getogrow said. It's hard to say since I didn't watch the progression. But I'd definitely raise the light more if you can. I'd also top dress with some EWC too.

 

[oOScathedOmnipotentOo]

I can’t tell if these people are fucking with you or if they are simply in no position to give advice. Anyone who tells you to to introduce chemicals well trying to establish microbes or inoculants is a straight up dickhead. Same for the person that would suggest taking a clone from a plant that is that out of whack on it’s nutrients.

1. How many times did you transplant if any
2. What’s there height
3. How long did they veg in their current soil

Also get ride of that soil mix immediately there’s nothing wrong with fox farm other than our culture has out grown it. Throwing more shit on top of it will just lead to this type of unnecessary catastrophic failure.

 

[Mrs. Weedstein]

I can’t tell if these people are fucking with you or if they are simply in no position to give advice. Anyone who tells you to to introduce chemicals well trying to establish microbes or inoculants is a straight up dickhead. Same for the person that would suggest taking a clone from a plant that is that out of whack on it’s nutrients.

1. How many times did you transplant if any
2. What’s there height
3. How long did they veg in their current soil

Also get ride of that soil mix immediately there’s nothing wrong with fox farm other than our culture has out grown it. Throwing more shit on top of it will just lead to this type of unnecessary catastrophic failure.

Careful consideration is usually the first best approach rather than pouring stuff on the plant, I tend to agree.

 

[oOScathedOmnipotentOo]

100% of everything done in this situation was wrong wrong fuckin wrong!!! This is plant that gives so much and deserves our respect! If your going to attempt to grow it learn to walk before you crawl. Get some bio biz use there grow for veg and their bloom for flower. That way you only have to use one mute at a time. Make sure you ph the water! The only time you should do other wise is when your in super soil , or using a full line that suggest other wise.Get a few successful grows under your belt do some diligent research in the meantime and inbetween time. Once you get the hang of it slowly step your game up. This game is for those who can display patience, passion, and perseverance. If your only doing this to gain your peers approval you’ll never succeed. Instead form a bond with your plant love it and it will love you back. Until then stop making the plant suffer for your fuck ups.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Hey I used Caligreens organic soil recipe:

1 bag ffof
8 quarts compost
6 quarts worm casting
6 quarts perlite
1 1/4 cup organic rose & flower
1/2 cup Azomite
1/2 cup oyster shell

How long have they been in this mix?

Maybe for next time consider more aeration?
Would seem that recipe really is only a rough guide. You're still dependent on the source of your own organic material. In particular your compost. Composts vary a lot. Worm casting do too, especially when homemade. They both can be heavy if not a lot brown material went in there.

To myself that mix would seem it holds a lot of water. Not necessarily bad, but easy to water too often. But it's just a guess in all honesty.

Also your organic rose and flower food...is it slow release pellets? Looks a little like rabbit feed?
If it is, don't estimate just how strong that stuff is. It's more hassle than they're worth in my opinion. One i can recall using was an application of 200g / m2. Probably about a cup, and took 4-6 weeks to break down.
Watering often will break it down faster.

I'm leaning towards adding more perlite next time. Even some extra drainage too.
But leave the rose and flower right out of the mix. (there are tons of better amendments imo)
If need be it'd be so much easier to scatter a few pellets on your top soil during early flower. And would make it more difficult to overdo it.

 

[Mrs. Weedstein]

100% of everything done in this situation was wrong wrong fuckin wrong!!! This is plant that gives so much and deserves our respect! If your going to attempt to grow it learn to walk before you crawl. Get some bio biz use there grow for veg and their bloom for flower. That way you only have to use one mute at a time. Make sure you ph the water! The only time you should do other wise is when your in super soil , or using a full line that suggest other wise.Get a few successful grows under your belt do some diligent research in the meantime and inbetween time. Once you get the hang of it slowly step your game up. This game is for those who can display patience, passion, and perseverance. If your only doing this to gain your peers approval you’ll never succeed. Instead form a bond with your plant love it and it will love you back. Until then stop making the plant suffer for your fuck ups.

It’s a fucking plant, calm down. It’s not like he starved his child to death. Also I am pretty sure the OP did not do this on purpose. I suppose you’ve never had any fuck-ups in your life?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

It’s a fucking plant, calm down. It’s not like he starved his child to death. Also I am pretty sure the OP did not do this on purpose. I suppose you’ve never had any fuck-ups in your life?

So much for patience, lol.

 

[oOScathedOmnipotentOo]

Starting an argument from a place of ignorance is about the quickest route to failure there is! So you want me to wax intellectual on the subject. Do I really need to break down all that this plant has done to improve the human condition , or it’s improvements on an industrial level , and I mean I don’t think it’s ever helped anyone medicinally or anything. Maybe before I Break it down for you I should ask you what you’ve contributed to the human race.
Bro all life is precious I’ve been locked in a box and starved without food so when I speak , I speak from experience not as a cunt from behind a keyboard

 

[Yadam]

I can’t tell if these people are fucking with you or if they are simply in no position to give advice. Anyone who tells you to to introduce chemicals well trying to establish microbes or inoculants is a straight up dickhead. Same for the person that would suggest taking a clone from a plant that is that out of whack on it’s nutrients.

1. How many times did you transplant if any
2. What’s there height
3. How long did they veg in their current soil

Also get ride of that soil mix immediately there’s nothing wrong with fox farm other than our culture has out grown it. Throwing more shit on top of it will just lead to this type of unnecessary catastrophic failure.

1. I used the Caligreen organic soil mix from the start in 3gal containers. I didn’t transplant into a larger container. I followed his YouTube videos and he grows in 7gal containers right from seed.

2. Roughly 12” and 18 - 20”. I’m not 100% positive, light are off now and I’ve used LST all through veg and a trellis before switching to flower.

3. I planted these seeds on 6/6 and they entered veg around 6/20. Then I switched to flower on 9/2. Around mid August I vegged the one that looks really burnt under under the QB 648 for a few weeks before moving the smaller one into my flower space then flipping the lights to 12/12 on 9/2.

Roughly every two to three weeks I’ve been brewing compost tea with this recipe for veg.

5 gal RO water
2 cups compost
1 cup worm castings
1 Tbsp seaweed extract
1 Tbsp URB
1 Tbsp unsulfured Molasses

then during Flower it’s the same + 1/2 cup of the Rose & Flower.

The tea is aerated for a minimum of 24 to 48hrs and applied very slowly over about 30min.

 

[Yadam]

How long have they been in this mix?

Maybe for next time consider more aeration?
Would seem that recipe really is only a rough guide. You're still dependent on the source of your own organic material. In particular your compost. Composts vary a lot. Worm casting do too, especially when homemade. They both can be heavy if not a lot brown material went in there.

To myself that mix would seem it holds a lot of water. Not necessarily bad, but easy to water too often. But it's just a guess in all honesty.

Also your organic rose and flower food...is it slow release pellets? Looks a little like rabbit feed?
If it is, don't estimate just how strong that stuff is. It's more hassle than they're worth in my opinion. One i can recall using was an application of 200g / m2. Probably about a cup, and took 4-6 weeks to break down.
Watering often will break it down faster.

I'm leaning towards adding more perlite next time. Even some extra drainage too.
But leave the rose and flower right out of the mix. (there are tons of better amendments imo)
If need be it'd be so much easier to scatter a few pellets on your top soil during early flower. And would make it more difficult to overdo it.

Hey yeah the rose & flower is a bit of mix but it has pellets in it. I did the Caligreen soil mix and added an aerated compost tea every two to three weeks.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

1. I used the Caligreen organic soil mix from the start in 3gal containers. I didn’t transplant into a larger container. I followed his YouTube videos and he grows in 7gal containers right from seed.

2. Roughly 12” and 18 - 20”. I’m not 100% positive, light are off now and I’ve used LST all through veg and a trellis before switching to flower.

3. I planted these seeds on 6/6 and they entered veg around 6/20. Then I switched to flower on 9/2. Around mid August I vegged the one that looks really burnt under under the QB 648 for a few weeks before moving the smaller one into my flower space then flipping the lights to 12/12 on 9/2.

Roughly every two to three weeks I’ve been brewing compost tea with this recipe for veg.

5 gal RO water
2 cups compost
1 cup worm castings
1 Tbsp seaweed extract
1 Tbsp URB
1 Tbsp unsulfured Molasses

then during Flower it’s the same + 1/2 cup of the Rose & Flower.

The tea is aerated for a minimum of 24 to 48hrs and applied very slowly over about 30min.

You're not putting the Rose and Flower in the tea are you?