Homeless in America during COVID-19

[DaFreak]

Actually if rioting and looting has been taking place, bringing a gun is a great idea if a person is there to protect themself /others and / or property etc..

Chasing an armed person when you are not armed, would not rate high on my list smart things to do...nor would destroying property that isn't yours.

I'm not sure what your silver spoon guy reference means?

If I person wants to protect themselves they don't get into a car and travel all that distance to a dangerous situation with an assault rifle. He was going to kill people.

 

[schuylaar]

If I person wants to protect themselves they don't get into a car and travel all that distance to a dangerous situation with an assault rifle. He was going to kill people.

thank you please refer to my Kyle Rittenhouse post in my sig #1 by none other then @Bugeye. that addressed the mindset of the Trumper and immortalized it.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-people-behind-the-violence-in-the-american-protests-of-george-floyd.1018871/post-15948604
Im not sure if you mean the Washington Post or not, but they did a really thorough walkthrough of everything knowable on this.

Try finding it on "DEMOCRACY NOW" or one of many fact based, whole story providing shows on "FREESPEECH TV".

The Washington post???? Just more corporate spin and out of context quotes with partial facts. Sorry they tricked you.

Peace.

 

[hanimmal]

Try finding it on "DEMOCRACY NOW" or one of many fact based, whole story providing shows on "FREESPEECH TV".

The Washington post???? Just more corporate spin and out of context quotes with partial facts. Sorry they tricked you.

Peace.

What is 'trick' about that video? Did you watch it or are you just assuming?

 

[MICHI-CAN]

I will admit I haven't done much homework on the back story here so I'm open to hearing evidence of him being in the wrong.
If you mean he was in Wisconsin to shoot somebody, I can't say what his state of mind was or wasn't. He could have been, I don't know.

What I did see when grazing a video a few months back was him running away from people chasing him with what appeared to be intent to attack, due bodily harm etc. He shot them. Usually the guy running away isn't the attacker or a murderer. Chasing a guy who has a gun when you don't is best left to real men, not pissants protesters.

Stimulus?

Stimulus checks are not authorized by the constitution are they ? (Playing "small government guy" here...humor me)

The question you may want to ask is where does the money come from and what is behind that ? Cui bono ?
If giving money to peasants is a good idea, why not give everybody a million dollars ? What could go wrong ?

Did you know frump's tax break for the wealthy, 1 trillion dollars, would have provided every American citizen with $30,000? But it went to donors, profitable international business', family, friends and selves. While we the people begin paying for them with higher taxes every year for the next 10 to pay for the "corporate welfare (hand outs)". Wait until tax time. Another slap in the face coming. The bill is due.

And to answer your question. People cannot have economic freedom. It would remove the restraints and controls the capitalist system has over you. Employment is just a politically correct term for slavery by indentured servitude. We are all in debt by design.

Once again, "WAKE UP PEOPLE!"

 

[MICHI-CAN]

What is 'trick' about that video? Did you watch it or are you just assuming?

I have seen the whole video. On a few independent outlets and foreign sources. Not even close to whole, complete or accurate on our news.

Did you see and hear the police throwing this killer water and cheering him on? How about the police letting the perp leave with his gun during it all? As he is being indicated by the crowd as the shooter.

Several minutes of footage are missing from the projected story.

 

[hanimmal]

I have seen the whole video. On a few independent outlets and foreign sources. Not even close to whole, complete or accurate on our news.

Did you see and hear the police throwing this killer water and cheering him on? How about the police letting the perp leave with his gun during it all? As he is being indicated by the crowd as the shooter.

Several minutes of footage are missing from the projected story.

So no. You haven't watched that Washington Post coverage in that video.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

So no. You haven't watched that Washington Post coverage in that video.

I saw it. Was forwarded by a frump humper relative. Was missing the first 30 seconds and about a minute of the ending. I don't believe it was docked and cut by them.

 

[hanimmal]

I saw it. Was forwarded by a frump humper relative. Was missing the first 30 seconds and about a minute of the ending. I don't believe it was docked and cut by them.

They have more coverage too, I have it somewhere in the George Floyd thread. They had it all. Earlier video, that did show all the water and stuff of Kyle, even his earlier in the day cleaning up graffiti. That video was the latest one that showed the mentally ill guy (from a red state) that was murdered that was new.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

They have more coverage too, I have it somewhere in the George Floyd thread. They had it all. Earlier video, that did show all the water and stuff of Kyle, even his earlier in the day cleaning up graffiti. That video was the latest one that showed the mentally ill guy (from a red state) that was murdered that was new.

I'm not trying to debate you. Compelled to push people to get all the facts. Myself included. Prone to conclusion as we all are.

And disgusted that our media and government would condone and support armed individuals, illegally armed at that. Then to continue and create a false narrative.? We have a problem. All I'm getting at.

 

[hanimmal]

I'm not trying to debate you. Compelled to push people to get all the facts. Myself included. Prone to conclusion as we all are.

And disgusted that our media and government would condone and support armed individuals, illegally armed at that. Then to continue and create a false narrative.? We have a problem. All I'm getting at.

Im just pointing to the fact that calling news companies out as not reporting everything verifiable is not correct. We all get caught up in the attack.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

Im just pointing to the fact that calling news companies out as not reporting everything verifiable is not correct. We all get caught up in the attack.

On that note. Where is the news coverage of the 240 million person nation wide strike that shut down India in reaction to a corrupt government. Where are the stories of daily demonstrations around the world. And the brutal retaliation by the facist in power?

We are not given the truth if it does not serve the masters' ends.

 

[hanimmal]

On that note. Where is the news coverage of the 240 million person nation wide strike that shut down India in reaction to a corrupt government. Where are the stories of daily demonstrations around the world. And the brutal retaliation by the facist in power?

We are not given the truth if it does not serve the masters' ends.

NEW DELHI (AP) — A nationwide strike called by thousands of Indian farmers protesting new agriculture laws began Tuesday amid new demonstrations in the outskirts of the capital.

The strike follows five rounds of talks between the farmers and the Indian government that have failed to produce any breakthroughs. Tens of thousands of farmers have blocked key highways on the outskirts of New Delhi, the capital, for nearly two weeks.

Protest leaders have rejected the government’s offer to amend some contentious provisions of the new farm laws, which deregulate crop pricing, and have stuck to their demand for total repeal.

Heavy contingents of police in riot gear patrolled the areas where the farmers were assembled on Tuesday.

At Ghazipur, in the outskirts of New Delhi, hundreds of farmers blocked all entry and exit routes. They chanted slogans such as “Long live farmers unity” and carried banners, some of them reading “No farmers, no food.” They allowed emergency vehicles including ambulances to pass through.

Darshan Singh, a farmer at Ghazipur, said the protesters would not back down. “We are determined to win this fight,” Singh said. “We will go back only after the (new farm) laws are dismissed.”

At Singhu, another area in the outskirts of New Delhi where farmers have also blocked highways, demonstrators burned an effigy on which the names of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and some Indian corporate leaders were written, while chanting slogans including “Modi has died!”

Farmer leaders have threatened to intensify their agitation and occupy toll plazas across the country if the government doesn’t abolish the laws.

Azadpur Mandi, New Delhi’s biggest wholesale vegetable and fruit market, shut in support of farmers.

The two sides will meet for more talks on Wednesday.

The farmers are protesting reforms that they say could devastate crop prices and reduce their earnings. They say the laws will lead the government to stop buying grain at minimum guaranteed prices and result in exploitation by corporations that will push down prices.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government insists the reforms will benefit farmers. It says they will allow farmers to market their produce and boost production through private investment. But farmers say they were never consulted.

The farmers are camping along at least five major highways on the outskirts of New Delhi and have said they won’t leave until the government rolls back what they call the “black laws.”

Farmers have been protesting the laws for nearly two months in Punjab and Haryana states. The situation escalated last week when tens of thousands marched to New Delhi, where they clashed with police.

The laws add to already existing resentment from farmers, who often complain of being ignored by the government in their push for better crop prices, additional loan waivers and irrigation systems to guarantee water during dry spells.

With nearly 60% of the Indian population depending on agriculture for their livelihoods, the growing farmer rebellion has rattled Modi’s administration and allies.

Modi and his party’s leaders have tried to allay farmers’ fears about the new laws while also dismissing their concerns. Some of the party leaders have called the farmers “misguided” and “anti-national,” a label often given to those who criticize Modi or his policies.

Many opposition party leaders, activists and even some allies of Modi’s party have called the laws anti-farmer and expressed support for the protesters.

Arvind Kejriwal, New Delhi’s top elected official, was put under house arrest for supporting the farmers, his Aam Aadmi Party said in a tweet.

 

[hanimmal]

On that note. Where is the news coverage of the 240 million person nation wide strike that shut down India in reaction to a corrupt government. Where are the stories of daily demonstrations around the world. And the brutal retaliation by the facist in power?

We are not given the truth if it does not serve the masters' ends.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/09/protesting-farmers-are-teaching-india-hard-much-needed-lesson/

“I am ready to stay here for 8 months, if I have to,'' Kartar Singh said, his voice roaring with passion. Singh is one of tens of thousands of farmers who have been protesting at the borders of India’s capital against the government’s new farm legislations.

He pulled out a tiny finger-sized photograph from the pocket of his mud-soiled kurta (the Punjabi word for shirt). “Look at this,” he said excitedly, “This is my son. He works for the army and right now he is on duty at the border with China. We are all patriots here. We are ready to die for our country.”

Economists who believe the farm legislations are a worthy reform argue that middlemen have long mediated the relationship between India’s farmers and the market. These laws, the Indian government claims, will allow farmers to sell directly to retailers and thus earn more. Farmers worry that both prices and demand will be pushed down as giant private conglomerates buy in bulk, and that they would be at the mercy of these big businesses.

But what started as farmers protesting an economic law has now become something much larger. It has touched off debates about many other issues: culture, identity, federalism, democracy and dissent. The mass mobilization of farmers, many of them Sikhs, from north Indian states of Punjab and Haryana, has been one of the most sustained citizen-driven protest movements against the all-powerful Bharatiya Janata Party.

Punjab is the second largest producer of wheat and the third largest producer of rice in the country. Punjabi actors, singers and athletes are rallying behind farmers. Some prominent writers and athletes are even returning the awards and medalsthey have received from the Indian state.

Most institutions in India, including the mainstream media, the judiciary and even India’s opposition, seem unable or unwilling to take on the enormous electoral clout of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Thus the real significance of the farmers’ agitation against the Modi government is that it exists at all. And as the movement passes the two-week mark, it hasn’t lost its nerve.

In a country where more than 60 percent of the country’s population works in agriculture, the moral force of the Indian farmer cannot be underestimated.

Despite the fact that people don’t understand the complex and technical arguments that drive the new legislation, there is widespread sentimental solidarity with farmers across India. There is subliminal collective guilt at the sight of farmers. Men, women and their children are spending cold winter nights huddled together at the back of trucks and tractors. Many of the protestors are elderly and are sometimes spreading their blankets under the wheels of their vehicles and sleeping on the gravel and mud.

The essential tenets of the Sikh faith — many of the protesters are from this community — have also played a part in striking a chord. “Kirat Karo, Naam Japo & Vand Chhako" was the call given by Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism and the first of its 10 gurus. “Work Hard to earn a living, Meditate and remember God and generously share whatever you have earned.” So, even at the protest site, huge "langars" or free community kitchens, have been set up. Men gather around giant metal cauldrons, stirring pulses and curries as they cook on a slow fire; others chop vegetables through the night so that by the time the sun rises food can be served to hundreds of attendees. Images of the farmers feeding the same police force that had previously wielded sticks and water cannons on them capture this spirit of giving. “This is our seva [selfless act]” said one volunteer to me as he shelled peas and chopped cabbage, “It’s a service. Even our enemies will not go hungry from here.”

Most Indians would be confused on where they personally stand on the new laws. But what the protests are really challenging is the manner of decision making in India. Parliament passed the laws amid raucous and hostile scenes on the floor of the house. The opposition demand for referring the laws to a parliamentary panel were turned down. And they were pushed through in a pandemic year, leading many to ask what the mad rush is all about.

The farming legislation fits into the Modi government’s pattern of enacting abrupt, disruptive measures that shake up the status quo. In 2016, the government abruptly demonetized the currency. In 2019, the government abrogated Kashmir’s special status. The government believes such dramatic and sudden measures are a sign of confidence and conviction. Others, like Raghuram Rajan, the former governor of India’s central bank, have called it “Policy by Jhatka,” meaning “jolt.”

The agitation has triggered a diplomatic row between Canada and India after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stood by the right of farmers to protest. (Canada has a sizable Sikh diaspora.) It has led to a dramatic Twitter fight between one of Bollywood’s biggest names, the BJP supporting Kangana Ranaut and Punjabi singer Diljit Dosanjh, who has spoken up for farmers.

To a polarized and argumentative India, the protests are a reminder that there is a value in consensus. Even the most popular leaders sometimes need to listen to what the street says. India’s most powerful politicians cannot always rule by fiat.

The post has more stories on it too.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

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You are obviously not the average. Props and thank you. But I have not seen more than a 20 second clip on tv news.

 

[Lenin1917]

Ten months into the pandemic, just renters alone owe an estimated $70 billion in back rent and if the hold on evictions is not extended, 30 to 40 million Americans could/will lose their homes before the end of this year from Hell.
Up to 40 million Americans face eviction by the end of 2020 (msn.com)
The CDC had put a temporary hold on all evictions, to protect public health and prevent the spread of COVID-19. However, more coronavirus relief spending is still bogged down in Congress, and many Americans are already getting warnings that they will be tossed out if lawmakers don't act.
Fucking McConnell/Mnuchin are still dithering around over the cost of the supplementary aid package, meanwhile people are going to be tossed into the streets in just 2 weeks.
We are facing a fucking catastrophe of historical proportions and all the GOP is worried about is cost?
They want protection from COVID-19 inspired lawsuits & that's one of their reasons for holding up critically needed assistance?
The other stated reason is the Blue states are looking for "handouts"
What the FUCK!!!!!!!!!!
People are dying/going homeless RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!
DO YOUR FUCKING JOBS!!!!!!

I lead a tenants union. We've been busy af fighting these greedy fucking landlords.

 

[hanimmal]

You are obviously not the average. Props and thank you. But I have not seen more than a 20 second clip on tv news.

I agree, and it sucks. Between the pandemic and Trump's trolling of our democracy there is very little oxygen left for major world events. The television news is just chasing it's tail with Trump's noise factory still.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

I lead a tenants union. We've been busy af fighting these greedy fucking landlords.

It looks like a land grab like the housing bubble scam. Glad your fighting.

 

[Killaki]

What the actual fuck? People are more concerned about landlords and corporations than people, we're talking literally living breathing human beings, men, women, and children; tossed to the street. What is this communist russia?? Look at how people that live there view a similar situation, the people that made the money still wish it was that way, and the people that died in the streets are dead and can't speak for themselves.
I for one live in America and am proud of it but I expect more from my government and my fellow countrymen. We need to avoid people in the streets because most of them are decent people that tried their best and ended up short. If a few leeches end up doing what leeches do, it seems like a small price to pay for our people just trying to live the American dream.

 

[hanimmal]

What the actual fuck? People are more concerned about landlords and corporations than people, we're talking literally living breathing human beings, men, women, and children; tossed to the street. What is this communist russia?? Look at how people that live there view a similar situation, the people that made the money still wish it was that way, and the people that died in the streets are dead and can't speak for themselves.
I for one live in America and am proud of it but I expect more from my government and my fellow countrymen. We need to avoid people in the streets because most of them are decent people that tried their best and ended up short. If a few leeches end up doing what leeches do, it seems like a small price to pay for our people just trying to live the American dream.

I don't think more people are worrying about landlords and corporations than people. Some sure, McConnell, and the Republicans not pushing to get relief to the people who are facing homelessness and hunger, but 81 million people just pushed back against this do nothing stance that the Republican party has been stuck in since at least the 70's.

I love our country too. But I do think it is important that we don't lose sight of the fact that the people working at those corporations or the landlords are not American citizens too and most have worked very hard to build up what they have. It is too easy to swing to the opposite corners with the very real problems we have as a nation right now.

The Democratic bills that the House passed would offer relief to these families in their time of need, unfortunately the Republicans rather their rich buddies get richer as they snatch up all that newly available infrastructure that the middle class lose in this (once again) Republican led recession.