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DIY-HP-LED

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Stingers in action, too bad about those Russian boys, but it's not their country and civilians are dyeing en mass because of air attacks.
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Russian helicopter shot down in Kyiv Oblast

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine released video of the moment a Russian military helicopter was shot down.
 
Fogdog

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auswolf said:
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-eu-nato-stop-arms-supplies-ukraine-2022-03-05/

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I'm worried about that too. But that is a worry for later. Assuming Russia's invasion is repelled Ukrainian kleptocrats will pounce on whatever isn't nailed down. Right now, it's war. Caused entirely by Putin's aggression. If he wants to stop arms going to Ukraine and prevent the black marked from obtaining weapons from left over inventory, he can include those concerns in a negotiated cease fire and peace treaty.
 
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Crumpetlicker said:
The sensible thing to do now is to provide Putin with a way out that does not cause affront to his masculinity or position. The Western media and leaders are just making things worse. I thought everybody knows you don't poke the bear.

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So Putin gets himself in a mess and it is up to others to get him out? How about having Putin act like a man, say he made a mistake and is now leaving Ukraine?

Crumpetlicker said:
Too many people in this thread with Made in the USA blinkers on. Wanting to sound like they have the answers and explanations for everything. What answers do you really have? All of your claims need to be judged against your country's own track record. Unfortunately, your track record is so mired in blood and grime it's unreadable. Leaders of the free world my arse. Get off your soapboxes and get your governments to keep their grubby paws out of everybody else's business. The single most malevolent force on this planet at the moment is the United States of America.
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Forget track records, they are for when everyone is snug in their bed and sipping a cup of tea. At the moment people on both sides of the action are dying and the destruction caused will cost the world when it is time to rebuild. The grubby paws the countries are lending Ukraine is so they can remain free rather than being subjugated by Russia.

Crumpetlicker said:
Fascism - one definition - 'very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area'. Pretty much sums up US foreign policy.
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You mean something like a free country as compared to one invaded by another?
 
DIY-HP-LED

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They are receiving plenty of weapons now, uniforms and other equipment too, it's pouring in and transports are landing in Poland almost hourly or will be. Apparent they are having little trouble convoying this stuff deep into Ukraine near where the fighting is. No more bare hands soon, but there appear to be many willing hands, ready to take the weapons.
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Ukraine Invasion: Hundreds of men sign up to fight
 
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Fogdog said:
I'm worried about that too. But that is a worry for later. Assuming Russia's invasion is repelled Ukrainian kleptocrats will pounce on whatever isn't nailed down. Right now, it's war. Caused entirely by Putin's aggression. If he wants to stop arms going to Ukraine and prevent the black marked from obtaining weapons from left over inventory, he can include those concerns in a negotiated cease fire and peace treaty.
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Some might end up in Belarus, used by the revolutionaries, no one will shed a tear. They are designed with limited lifetimes and other "features".
 
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auswolf said:
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-eu-nato-stop-arms-supplies-ukraine-2022-03-05/

no words.
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Well then, he should have thought about that before declaring the two provinces separated from Ukraine and invited himself in. If he limited himself to the two provinces he could have gotten away with it. But why not take the whole pie rather than a few bites?
 
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I was trying to find out how many small arms and such NATO inherited from eastern bloc countries that might be still laying around. I imagine millions of assault rifles, ammo, RPGs and such are in warehouses or in use by eastern bloc members. These weapons would be well suited to the Ukrainians irregulars, most older men have military training and are familiar with these weapons. I'm pretty sure it represents the bulk of regular guns going into the Ukraine, along with the ones they already have from arms dealers etc. They will soon have well over a million men under arms growing daily and training too, as well as build up their regular forces from among the young fit men.

I ran across this on the topic from 2019
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www.defensenews.com

Inside America’s multimillion-dollar plan to get allies off Russian equipment

The State Department has quietly launched a new fund to help allies in Europe buy American defense goods - and may look to expand it around the world.
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:shock: WOW that would sure upset the apple cart!
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Transfer three A-10 aircraft squadrons to Ukraine now

This aircraft and its gun system were designed to counter an armored assault in Europe. They proved effective in Desert Storm’s target-rich environment, quite similar to the current advancing Russian force.
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Fogdog

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printer said:
You mean something like a free country as compared to one invaded by another?
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His definition of fascism reminded me of Orwell's 1984 newspeak.

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So Putin gets himself in a mess and it is up to others to get him out? How about having Putin act like a man, say he made a mistake and is now leaving Ukraine?
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I've heard and read high level officials in Biden's administration talk about this very subject. They want to leave Putin a way out. It's not even new strategy. This line from The Art of War written about 3000 years ago:

When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
 
BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
:shock: WOW that would sure upset the apple cart!
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www.defensenews.com

Transfer three A-10 aircraft squadrons to Ukraine now

This aircraft and its gun system were designed to counter an armored assault in Europe. They proved effective in Desert Storm’s target-rich environment, quite similar to the current advancing Russian force.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
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Yes it would, especially since have new ones now....and they're new and improved too
 
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Fogdog said:
His definition of fascism reminded me of Orwell's 1984 newspeak.



I've heard and read high level officials in Biden's administration talk about this very subject. They want to leave Putin a way out. It's not even new strategy. This line from The Art of War written about 3000 years ago:

When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
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Don't provoke him, we know the rules of proxy war and so does he, he also knows he will lose under those rules. Give the Russians a chance to kill the fucker for their own good. Let him twist in the wind, it will unwind on their own now, as things begin to casscade for Russia militarily and economically.

Arms and support, but where does that end? Artillery, vehicles, planes, medium range AA systems, A10s!, Perhaps patriot systems? Or do they focus on holding Vlad with Javelins, stingers and small arms while well armed partisans devastate supply dumps and columns starving their fronts. What flavor of war shall it be?
 
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