cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I thought I saw a squarish drone, but not clearly.
A plane-type with an IC motor would explain the fire … fuel.
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A plane-type with an IC motor would explain the fire … fuel.
Roger A. Shrubber
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that is a possibility, not an organized unit, but a couple of pissed off refugees....
That is a right tempting target...Waves of drones staggered out over ten to fifteen minutes, coming from multiple directions, with the heaviest hitters coming last, after the AA has shot it's wad.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Leaflets
Roger A. Shrubber
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as long as they blow the fuck up after you read them...
DIY-HP-LED
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If Vlad thinks this gives him cover to use nukes on Kyiv, he is not only wrong, but also dead along with a lot of other Russians. What could stop Ukraine from unleashing a dirty bomb on Moscow that would make the place uninhabitable? America guaranteed protection from nukes when Ukraine gave up theirs, so I expect Joe will not react with half measures but will rip Vlad's head off and shit down his neck. It won't stop him from getting kicked out of Ukraine and it won't stop what they will do the Russia for years to come. Nuke Kyiv and I'm sure they have something planned for retaliation, unless Joe can give them satisfaction.
There will be nukes on the border of Ukraine pointed at Moscow in no time flat with Americans manning them and defending them. ATACMS, cruise missiles and F16s for Ukraine as all the stops are pulled out, goodbye Kaliningrad and goodbye Belarus, because they won't rest until that is gone too. Every Russian ship on the high seas will be sunk without warning, as would all their subs.
There will be nukes on the border of Ukraine pointed at Moscow in no time flat with Americans manning them and defending them. ATACMS, cruise missiles and F16s for Ukraine as all the stops are pulled out, goodbye Kaliningrad and goodbye Belarus, because they won't rest until that is gone too. Every Russian ship on the high seas will be sunk without warning, as would all their subs.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
sanity
DIY-HP-LED
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No justice no peace is a truism, not just a slogan. If Vlad uses nukes on Kyiv all bets are off and Uncle Sam had better come up with some very serious satisfaction since he gave assurances about nukes when Ukraine gave up theirs. Remember if they did this Zelenskiy and a lot of the government could be dead and those who were not, might not be in control of the rage that would grip the fighting population. NATO would have to move in quickly to prevent a catastrophe and would have to take serious direct action against Russia and I mean very serious and even then, it might not prevent revenge and retaliation by any means possible. Ukraine is a nuclear power, they just don't make bombs, but they can make some truly awesome radioisotopes and might have already, America would do the same, but chose to do even worse.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Zelenskyy et al. know that to do as your bolded 2posts back suggests would be batshit crazy.
Roger A. Shrubber
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If russia drops a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, NATO will take direct actions, but it won't include dropping any nuclear weapons of their own. I would expect carpet bombing of all known launch sites, all known air fields, all known equipment, fuel, and ammo depots, and boots on the ground to make sure nothing already deployed gets used...It would be the end of russia's air power, and probably sea power, but NATO won't drop any nuclear weapons on russia.
This would more than likely lead to many of their territories and oblasts breaking away and declaring independence, which would probably be the end of russia as it exists now.
This would more than likely lead to many of their territories and oblasts breaking away and declaring independence, which would probably be the end of russia as it exists now.
DIY-HP-LED
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What makes you think that he will be around or if he was, could control the response? That people will respond in a "rational" way to an irrational act of such magnitude? We are talking about batshit crazy and the response to it, which might not be rational or predictable and there are advantages to this approach too. The threat is to a city with massive civilian casualties a nuke used on the battlefield would get a different more measured response for sure. Using a nuke on Kyiv means all bets are off and I mean all bets, up to and including a nuclear strike on all Russian cities at once, not just Moscow. WTF do you think Poland would do, or any of a half dozen eastern European countries? I'll tell you, they would go nuclear along with Ukraine, if America and the European nuclear powers response was considered inadequate.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Because his entire government knows that to do something that needlessly awful renders Ukraine an instant and complete world pariah, and they’re finished, history.
I’ve spoken to you more than once about the overwhelming value to Ukraine of holding the moral high ground. Somehow that does not register with you. Please leave your inner savage out of the equation.
BudmanTX
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oh yeah blame us for your false flag fuck up......freaking idiot can't wait to see you at the Hague....
DIY-HP-LED
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I know all about the high ground, but when someone nukes the hill, you've been standing on, moral standards and logical thinking often go out the window. Do not expect a logical response to an illogical act and don't expect them not to do something you would do yourself would do in a heartbeat. What would the response be to Russia nuking Washington? Well, it had better be the same for any ally under your nuclear umbrella, or we won't be under it for long.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I have treated of this extensively in this thread. Please review; it’s all been answered already.
DIY-HP-LED
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You have more faith in human rationality than I do. I dunno if Vlad is contemplating this or not, it could be a ruse or it could be a way of deflecting from an epic humiliation and defeat. What do you think the response would be if he nuked Kyiv and inflicted massive civilian casualties? A measured reasonable and predictable response, or something unreasonable, unpredicted and very dramatic? Logic would go out the window with the nuclear flash IMHO.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If Russia (Vladolf does not have sole nuclear authority) decides to use a nuke, it will almost certainly be a lowish-yield battlefield weapon intended to tip the scales against a concentration of Ukraine’s best troops and weapons.
That will in all probability draw a vigorous Nato response directly against Russian military targets.
If Russia uses a second nuke or one against an urban target, that’s when a nuclear response by Nato gets more likely.
Russia imo does not want to provoke a nuclear exchange with the West, despite their missile-rattling rhetoric.
DIY-HP-LED
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I tend to agree that Vlad is not suicidal, he's doing everything he can to stay alive and that means staying in power. However, I think he will soon be desperate and humiliated in Ukraine and will need a distraction or a way out.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If he wants a distraction, the effects doing this will certainly occupy his undivided attention.
DIY-HP-LED
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Vlad hasn't been making very good calls since he began this war over a year ago and he has also shown signs of not dealing with reality since.