What is your faith, path or belief?

Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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If there were a god, and he was so perfect, how come he can't make his creations perfect?There's some proof right there that the whole god thing is faulty.
diemdepyro said:
The brain or mind tends to fill in areas with data that is missing. That is how optical illusions work. Auditory data is handled similarly to optical data. Missing data is filled in with what the mind perceives as the best "fit".
The ink blot test is a good indicator of what would your mind fill in the blanks with. What appears to be a butterfly to me could appear to be an angel to you. The same butterfly ink blot would be an alien to your neighbor. No answer correct, after all it is just an ink blot.
Now we must conclude that the human mind is flawed. We are all very poor witnesses. Our perspective clouds all we see and hear with what the mind determined that was the best fit for the situation.
This flawed perception due to our life's experience makes us human. Our mind needs answers so badly it makes them up.
A mind is a terrible thing.:fire:
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diemdepyro

diemdepyro

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"If there were a god, and he was so perfect, how come he can't make his creations perfect?There's some proof right there that the whole god thing is faulty."Stoney McFried


Maybe God hates boredom. How boring would life be if we all had the same perspectives? Certainly we would be poor inventors and innovators. We would have never crawled out of the primordial soup. As humans we imagine the most beautiful things. Art,cinema, music, literature.......
We also imagine horrible things infanticide, torture, disco.....
One can not exist without the other. Yen and yang, light and dark, good vs evil. This absurdity of the human condition proves to some there is no God. To others it is definitive proof of a God.
It has got to be sweet. Blaming our success or failures on unseen forces.
We are all universally beautifully flawed. We are told you must worship in this religion or another.
We have been pushed to war, hatred, genocide all because of religion. We also have been pushed to charity, kindness and brotherly love. Seems as if we must separate God from religion.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Maybe.... one of my fav words..... maybe.

Humans aren't pushed to war, i.e. violence. We seem to take to it quite naturally. Almost by....gasp....design.


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puffdamagikdragon

puffdamagikdragon

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CrackerJax said:
I don't think science can be religious..... it demands too much proof :mrgreen:



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Proof isn't an issue. You can make a religion of anything. It begins with taking someone else's word for something (and like you don't do that with science? Science is, after all, very limited.) rather than discover the truth for yourself.
 
puffdamagikdragon

puffdamagikdragon

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Stoney raises a great point, perhaps the greatest of all.

I have heard it reasoned out that the reason 'God' allows evil, or suffering, or however you wanna term it, is because it is a result of an environment of free will. But if that is so, and heaven has no evil, suffering, or whatever, then does that mean there is no free will in heaven?

I get out of that thorny nest of philosophical run around, MY God didn't 'create' anything in the material world. But MY God isn't everyone else's God, in fact, my 'God' isn't a 'god' at all.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Religion is a pre-science coping mechanism for living on an extremely violent and unfair planet.

Being sentient has it's price, nothing is free. sigh....


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puffdamagikdragon

puffdamagikdragon

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Science is hardly a coping mechanism, delusions are better for coping I am sure. How most people I know cope, that or weed.:leaf:

Scientists are no more to be trusted than the preistcraft is. They run tests (and alter them) as money and power dictate, don't fool yourself.
 
puffdamagikdragon

puffdamagikdragon

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It seems to be, for those who don't wanna use a different one....

Either science or 'belief', what else is there?m Neither one is the truth.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Oh, I would have to disagree about science not being the truth. Since the methodology of science is quite rigorous and only data which can stand up to actual and testable scrutiny is allowed to be passed onward and up, It is as close to the "truth" as you are ever going to get from a human species. Now you may not like some of the scientific conclusions, but that's another matter.

Religion has no such criteria for seeking the truth. It is more in the realm of Astrology.....

Science & Religion are like apples and oranges. They don't really compare.......



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Gryphonn

Gryphonn

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Stoney McFried said:
If there were a god, and he was so perfect, how come he can't make his creations perfect?There's some proof right there that the whole god thing is faulty.
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Oh, Stoney! You know gods don't work that way.;-)
The books tell you that we are made in 'his' likeness, but the gods just told the humans to write that to make us feel good. Gods are arses Stoney. We are their toy soldiers in the sandpit and they are the four year olds.
"It's my Judas and I'll smite him if I want!"
"No, he's mine! You had the carpenter's son!"
"Yeah, but the carpenter's son has holes in it and I can't find it anymore anyway."
"Well, go play with the L.Ron Hubbard and the Tom Cruise...oooooooh, make Tom jump on the couch again!!!! That was funny!"

If there was a 'God', she or he or it would have gathered together the Ayotollahs, the popes, the arch bishops, the clerics, extremists and all the politicians. She/he/it would then have smacked their heads together and told them to learn to play properly:wall:.

....or maybe Gods eyes were tired when he was making the gene pool and fucked a few up without noticing...ah shit, that won't wash. The God is 'perfect' hey...
 
the beekeepers

the beekeepers

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If you die without loss, you are eternal. Lao Tzu "Tao Te Ching"

This text was written 2500 years ago, amazing. I think most people are unenlightened and lack either the desire or intellect to achieve enlightenment. It's easier to latch on to a "do this / don't do that" religion thus mitigating the need to take responsibility one's own life or own path.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Maybe enlightenment is unattainable. Perhaps it is an illusion. You get to play your hand, but you never get to see the deck of cards....




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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Chips, like money doesn't disappear, it merely changes pockets. No, your chips are left behind my friend...... :mrgreen:



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