Va. brings back Confederate month after 8 years.

[CrackerJax]

that would be like saying it was Democrats who repeatedly blocked civil rights...... Oops....bad example.

 

[Dan Halen]

dude are you serious....your answer is money...ROFL..please do go on...explain how it was about money...here I will even pull some info off PBS.org to stand by what I was saying..you do the same for your comment about the "money".

On November 6, 1860 Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States -- an event that outraged southern states. The Republican party had run on an anti-slavery platform, and many southerners felt that there was no longer a place for them in the Union. On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By February 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.

In his inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, Lincoln proclaimed that it was his duty to maintain the Union. He also declared that he had no intention of ending slavery where it existed, or of repealing the Fugitive Slave Law -- a position that horrified African Americans and their white allies. Lincoln's statement, however, did not satisfy the Confederacy, and on April 12 they attacked Fort Sumter, a federal stronghold in Charleston, South Carolina. Federal troops returned the fire. The Civil War had begun

Here's the way to learn the answer to every question you'll ever have. And the rest isn't bad advice either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8

 

[Dan Halen]

south carolina seceded before abe took office. thinking they were a free state they fired on what was already theirs to get the foreigners out.
if the fed govnt came in and said you are not to use your car anymore what would you do? slavery would of eventually fadded away as technology progressed.
and not all whites owned slaves. the war was fought for one reason, the same reason for every single war in history, ECONOMICS. if the south had it their way, the north would of had to go to outside sources for food, clothes, etc.
in a republic, the minority still has rights and can not be taken away by the majority, and im sure this is what the south was feeling. when you feel your rights are being taken away, you fight.
a lot of the north sympathized with the south and even fought for them. the union just did what it this country does best, take over and distribute.

Finally, Somebody else who calls it like it is! Very well put and completely true!

 

[Dan Halen]

and by the way....Not one of you Confederates have shown any proof to what you state about it not being about about Slavery...so you must be wrong

And I have yet to see proof of your intelligence....Therefore You must have none. Read a book. Don't just skim through Wikipedia and assume you know everything about that topic. My history professor always used to say, "If you're going to be right, you're not going to be lazy. There are no shortcuts when it comes to knowledge."

 

[undertheice]

Just in my lifetime you still had folks making others drink from separate water fountains and such and this was 100 years after the so called ending of slavery.

slavery and racism to have two different roots. one a simple matter of the need for labor, the other nothing but the dread of the seemingly unknown.

slavery is not a matter of race but of one culture dominating another. arab slave traders had been dominating and enslaving their backward southern neighbors for centuries before europeans joined them in harvesting the easy pickings of the african continent, but the tradition of slavery in europe required no color difference, merely the dominance of the strong over the weak. that the institutionalized slavery of the west made its last gasp using labor imported from africa has less to do with skin color than the willingness of one tribe to sell their neighbors into bondage and the primitive nature of africa's inhabitants. had africans been white or purple and still displaying those same traits that made them such easy prey, they would still have been enslaved and shipped off to wherever cheap labor was needed.

racism, on the other hand, is all about differences. it is about differences of color, language, religion and culture and it is about the artificial separations we devise to make ourselves feel more comfortable. racism is bred when our minor differences lead us to form communities based on those differences, preferring the homogeneous to the diverse and gaining some satisfaction in seeing our own visage mirrored in those around us. it is about fear and a desire to raise one's self up at the expense of others. racism becomes self-perpetuating when we respond to racism with further racism and begin an ever intensifying cycle.

I would disagree when you say wars are one and the same with roots in financial gain...with territories ( ask a Palestinian )...With religion ( ask a Muslim )..ask anyone of these and your answer would have very little to do with financial gain..

whatever the justification, it will always come down to economic gain. an increase in territory means and increase in possible financial gain, the domination of one religion over another means economic domination as well as proving the superiority of opposing spiritual fantasies. whether it is to pull a people out of poverty or to increase the sphere of influence of one particular group, it is the power of profit that everyone is fighting over. all else is merely the mask we wear while doing evil.

 

[blazin256]

Well speaking from a Black/Brown mans point of view I don't believe slavery would have just faded out in the South. I even find it somewhat insulting that a white/pink man would tell me that.. Had it not been for the Civil War slavery would have grew...Faded out never...Fought out yes !!!!!! Just in my lifetime you still had folks making others drink from separate water fountains and such and this was 100 years after the so called ending of slavery..so please forgive me when I say that I don't believe NOR TRUST that it would have just faded out....

Now far as War you do have a point about economics, but I would disagree when you say wars are one and the same with roots in financial gain...with territories ( ask a Palestinian )...With religion ( ask a Muslim )..ask anyone of these and your answer would have very little to do with financial gain..

thats a good point. even after slavery there was still racial unjustice. so i guess the 600,000+ deaths of people from the war was really worth it huh. slavery might of grown, but if the union was so good, they could of tried to convince the new states to not accept it.
so if the war didn't happen, slavery would've faded, and the fight for equality would have went at roughly the same pace. hell what would you be doing if slaves were never traded? probably wearin grass skirts hunting wild game or going through genocide or whatever else is goin on over there.
and sorry but territories=economics religion=economics. economics isn't always about financial gain. since you like wikipedia so much look it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics
and ill even paste the part i want you to read. "Economics aims to explain how economies work and how economic agents interact. Economic analysis is applied throughout society, in business, finance and government, but also in crime,[4] education,[5] the family, health, law, politics, religion,[6] social institutions, war,[7] and science.[8] The expanding domain of economics in the social sciences has been described as economic imperialism.[9][10]"

now thank the white man right now for liberating you from africa and its constant state of wars and genocide and famine.
im sorry if i sound racist but i assure you i am not. but the truth hurts sometimes.

 

[CrackerJax]

London has a copy/paste education....and it shows.

Without a foundation to work from...which takes many years to develop (properly) ...he/she finds info, but can't figure out the context or connectivity to other issues.

Permanently adrift.... easily misled.

 

[blazin256]

London has a copy/paste education....and it shows.

Without a foundation to work from...which takes many years to develop (properly) ...he/she finds info, but can't figure out the context or connectivity to other issues.

Permanently adrift.... easily misled.

that rings true with a lot of americans unfortunately.

 

[undertheice]

so if the war didn't happen, slavery would've faded, and the fight for equality would have went at roughly the same pace.

there is always the possibility that without the carnage of the civil war, its detrimental effect on the south and the insistence of the victors that it was all about freeing the slaves, there would be less reason for so many to blame black americans for their ancestors' role in that sad page of our history and we might have found less resistance to the civil rights movement. maybe we should blame the federal government's use of slavery as a justification for their interference in states' rights for much of the inequalities we fight today. maybe not.

 

[CrackerJax]

Like Germany and WW1.... the hardening of positions in the deep south was not a direct result of the war.... but the decade that FOLLOWED.... it was the North's RECONSTRUCTION period that created all of the ill will.

 

[ViRedd]

A more accurate term for the "Civil War" would have been "The War to End Secession."

 

[undertheice]

i always liked "the war of northern aggression", but i suppose it's a matter of taste.

 

[ViRedd]

Hard to believe that 600,000 Americans were lost in a war between the states, isn't it? One thing I didn't realize was how far West the war came. I visited a civil war memorial just outside Sante Fe, New Mexico a few years ago. Lots of war relics on display there.

 

[Vulcan]

it was never a war based on slavery!!!! That is a myth that is feed to us in the history books in school (the same place that said that drugs were bad). It was a war based on the the rebels fighting to keep their freedom. and to keep the gov't small ad out of their business. GO VA.

 

[CrackerJax]

It's simply not taught in the soviet type skool system of the USA anymore.

 

[Dan Halen]

It's simply not taught in the soviet type skool system of the USA anymore.

A soviet type school would be a vast improvement over the current system. At least then students would know who their leaders are.

 

[brothafromanothaplanet]

it was never a war based on slavery!!!! That is a myth that is feed to us in the history books in school (the same place that said that drugs were bad). It was a war based on the the rebels fighting to keep their freedom. and to keep the gov't small ad out of their business. GO VA.

i feel really sorry for you people for not being able to admit and accept the truth in this very ugly matter. the south's secession from the union was clearly based on slavery. but don't take my word for this, as i'm not going to take yours that it was based on states' rights. let's just take a glance at the declaration of the immediate causes which induced and justified mississippi's (2nd state to secede) secession, written under the direction of the honorable Jefferson Davis. this declaration clearly details why this state seceded from the union in the first few sentences. why, now, are you claiming that the reasons that they clearly stated are not the true reasons?

i wouldn't want to admit that i was a direct descendant of evil men and women who performed abhorrent and vile acts toward another group of humans for monetary wealth either. however, you must know that your children will never prosper while the truth continues to be ignored!

“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. And then (you) want us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.” ~ Rev. Jeremiah Wright





A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

 

[Mindmelted]

One out of how many.Keep them coming.

I feel sorry for you having so much hate.

And this man Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a piece of dog shit.

He is not worth the air we breath.

 

[brothafromanothaplanet]

One out of how many.Keep them coming.

I feel sorry for you having so much hate.

And this man Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a piece of dog shit.

He is not worth the air we breath.

hate??? how so?? filled with contempt maybe, but not hate.

and rev. j wright is a true american hero who has performed more patriotic duties for this country than any of you jerkoffs here. but because he has spoken some truthful words which you do not agree with, he is a piece of dog shit? smh @ you hopeless hypocrites!

 

[Mindmelted]

and rev. j wright is a true american hero who has performed more patriotic duties for this country than any of you jerkoffs here.




This statement is a fucking joke