Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

Integra21

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Whoa, I missed something here..............2600W? Last I remember you had 1200W...........where'd you get the other 1400W?

Don't you have a 600 over each section?
That was a typo. It was supposed to be 2 600w lights. good catch though, that could have confused other people too.
 

cruzer101

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I couldn't even imagine what you could do with 2600 watts.
Let me try, A virtual garden of Eden that yields 5 pounds or so?
Yea, I can see it.
 

Integra21

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I couldn't even imagine what you could do with 2600 watts.
Let me try, A virtual garden of Eden that yields 5 pounds or so?
Yea, I can see it.
That would probly be pretty close. Im shooting for 3lbs this run, it might be a bit of a stretch trying to get an additional pound, but I know I could have gotten more last run. Not sure with the piss on the left side though. I have only seen what she can do outside. But thanks for that crazy vision, unless I open a shop, I'll never go that big.
 

Integra21

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Another new update. Girls are doing well, I'd say even better than last time, but its pretty close. The piss have stretched like nuts over the last week. The Blue Kush finally finished greening up and growth has also exploded noticeably. They have been eating about 150ppm work of nutrients each day, which is a little higher that the last couple. I found this a little strange due to the fact the the c o2 generator has been out of commission sine 3 days before flower. I have it all torn apart and diagnosed, just a piece of teflon tape stuck in the gas line, but im still figuring out how to get it out, really wish I had a compressor in the garage. But enough rambaling, on with the update.

Piss & Blue Kush 10th day of 12/12
PH 5.9
PPM 750-775
Res Temp 71F
Rm Temp 79F
RH 48%
CO2 PPM 660




Piss Close-ups






Blue Kush Close-ups

 
Looking good again...
I love the name piss lol Did I miss the genetics?

I read the whole thread a couple nights ago (I didnt know what i was getting into lol) and sub'd..

Thank you for putting your time into this journal...
there is so much good info that I cant wait to put to use
 

Integra21

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Looking good again...
I love the name piss lol Did I miss the genetics?

I read the whole thread a couple nights ago (I didnt know what i was getting into lol) and sub'd..

Thank you for putting your time into this journal...
there is so much good info that I cant wait to put to use
Thanks bro. I put a lot of work into it so I like it alot when other people can benefit in some way. The Piss is a local growers strain that was the old Cat Piss crossed with Northern Lights to the best of my knowledge. And yes, Cat piss is an actual strain that can be looked up...
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/plant-bud-photos/61578-cat-piss-strain.html
 

BooMeR242

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great update bro. things are lookin way healthy. i didnt catch ur last grow yield. wat ws it with this setup? im curious if im undershooting my yield goal of 4lbs with my setup. i know uve seen it and about to harvest next weekend. 3600w doin scrog with c02. are u using a chiller? i ran out of amp room for the house and like u mentioned earlier that "ull never go that big until i have a shop" -id have to agree with u lol im strugglin pullin 125amps at my pad. (not all grow related)

anyways u got ur shit dialed and im still workin on mine now that i got my first run down. so im lookin to see wat ure doin better then i am haha. ( i think its ur lower water temps for one thing im at 80 F) :(
 

Integra21

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great update bro. things are lookin way healthy. i didnt catch ur last grow yield. wat ws it with this setup? im curious if im undershooting my yield goal of 4lbs with my setup. i know uve seen it and about to harvest next weekend. 3600w doin scrog with c02. are u using a chiller? i ran out of amp room for the house and like u mentioned earlier that "ull never go that big until i have a shop" -id have to agree with u lol im strugglin pullin 125amps at my pad. (not all grow related)

anyways u got ur shit dialed and im still workin on mine now that i got my first run down. so im lookin to see wat ure doin better then i am haha. ( i think its ur lower water temps for one thing im at 80 F) :(
Yeah, your shit looks sick Boomer. Im still waiting to see your weight. I ended up with 2lbs and a couple of grams of all bud. All popcorn was used for hash. I ended up with approx 3oz of hash as well. So I'm happy as hell with the harvest. And my co2 was only running for 3 weeks of that 10 week grow. I am not useing a chiller, but my temps stay pretty reasonable. During lights out the temps get down to about 68F and by the end of lights on it climbs it way up to 71-73F. I am planning on watercooling the whole room after this grow, but I'll have to see how my money situation is doing. It gona cost me around $1500. And if your amps are getting to high, if you can upgrad or change the config of your room and try to get as many of the big draws on 240v and it will cut your amp draw in half. For exammple. My ballast is a dual 600w(1200w) that runs on 240v. This means that my ballast draws roughly 5 amps of current. That same ballast running on standard 120v(us power)would draw 10 amps of current. So you could see how changing a few lights and possibly a chiller or a/c unit can free up a lot of amps. Just search for watt's law and you can figure out how much amperage you are drawing if you know the wattage and figure out what of yours you can change and draw less. the basic formula is watts=Volts x Amps. So if you devide the wattage by the volts you get your amp draw. And changing any watts from 120v to 240v basically just cuts whatever the amp draw is by 50%.
 

BooMeR242

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Yeah, your shit looks sick Boomer. Im still waiting to see your weight. I ended up with 2lbs and a couple of grams of all bud. All popcorn was used for hash. I ended up with approx 3oz of hash as well. So I'm happy as hell with the harvest. And my co2 was only running for 3 weeks of that 10 week grow. I am not useing a chiller, but my temps stay pretty reasonable. During lights out the temps get down to about 68F and by the end of lights on it climbs it way up to 71-73F. I am planning on watercooling the whole room after this grow, but I'll have to see how my money situation is doing. It gona cost me around $1500. And if your amps are getting to high, if you can upgrad or change the config of your room and try to get as many of the big draws on 240v and it will cut your amp draw in half. For exammple. My ballast is a dual 600w(1200w) that runs on 240v. This means that my ballast draws roughly 5 amps of current. That same ballast running on standard 120v(us power)would draw 10 amps of current. So you could see how changing a few lights and possibly a chiller or a/c unit can free up a lot of amps. Just search for watt's law and you can figure out how much amperage you are drawing if you know the wattage and figure out what of yours you can change and draw less. the basic formula is watts=Volts x Amps. So if you devide the wattage by the volts you get your amp draw. And changing any watts from 120v to 240v basically just cuts whatever the amp draw is by 50%.

thanks bro i got blessed with havin a father who owns a HVAC company and is a licensed electrician as well. so we got everything dialed. sub panel from the main breaker but i cant do anymore breaker upgrades cuz edison will know watsup and i dont want to buy a permit from the city to have extra power drawn from the street elect vault. im gonna try and fudge with shit and may have to sacrifice shit like my own AC just to run two chillers. im already running 37,000btu worth of AC in two diff rooms and everything that can be converted to 240v has been done. but ill see wat i can come up with. other issue is the rooms are on the second floor of the pad and heat rises and stays there since theyre also vaulted cielings and no attic space. anyways im def gonna b curious to see what kind of weight pulls with this round despite cutting 3 plants short and two others are fukd up with lil buds.
anyways thanks for the info bro ill be lurking.
 

littlegrower2004

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looking AMAZING integra!! those blue kush on the right filled out a lot in the days between your two last updates, really shows you got this dialed in. ill be watching this one for sure. im thinking about throwing a screen up over my LST'd plants a week or so before flower so this will be major help if i go in that direction.
 

DST

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Thanks bro. I put a lot of work into it so I like it alot when other people can benefit in some way. The Piss is a local growers strain that was the old Cat Piss crossed with Northern Lights to the best of my knowledge. And yes, Cat piss is an actual strain that can be looked up...
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/plant-bud-photos/61578-cat-piss-strain.html
When I first saw you were growing Piss I thought, Hey, I am sure the Greenhouse use to sell something called Cat Piss. It was like 15 euro a gram about 4+ years ago (which was real expensive then) And yup, it hummed like a mofo. Glad you confirmed that.

Peace, DST
 

Integra21

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looking AMAZING integra!! those blue kush on the right filled out a lot in the days between your two last updates, really shows you got this dialed in. ill be watching this one for sure. im thinking about throwing a screen up over my LST'd plants a week or so before flower so this will be major help if i go in that direction.
Thanks littlegrower. I got the Blue Kush dialed in pretty good so Im pretty sure I'll hit my pound again on that side and Im really hoping to get similar results on the piss side, but I have no idea how its going to turn out because I've never flowered it in my setup before, only outdoors. As far as your setup, scrogs are great and I think its easier to work plants into the screen then to tie all of the branches, but it can cause watering and flushing issues for soil growers, but there are easy fixes for those problems. Thanks for stopping by and I hope my grow helps get you lots o weight.
Wowzers! I love the setup. Very legit. I am sure you will enjoy a very sexy harvest. Subscribed with the lawn chair!
Thanks for the kind words and stopping by. I'll try to make sure its a show worth watching.
When I first saw you were growing Piss I thought, Hey, I am sure the Greenhouse use to sell something called Cat Piss. It was like 15 euro a gram about 4+ years ago (which was real expensive then) And yup, it hummed like a mofo. Glad you confirmed that.

Peace, DST
Yeah, even though the name might be offputting for some, anyone who has smoked the strain seems to have pretty high opinions about it. I personally enjoy it, I just dont think it can compete with the new girls(Madonna, K.O. Kush, Cheeseberry, Kolossus, Hericules, and Killing Kush). So this will be my last run of it for a while and the mom is already chopped and gone. But if I feel like it later, I still have about 20 beans of it, so Im sure I could find another mother if I needed to.
 

Integra21

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Time for another update. Day 17 of 12/12 and we got bud porn this week. Switched over to flower nutrients on Monday. Hope you enjoy the pics.

Piss & Blue Kush Day 17 of 12/12

Rm Temp 79F
CO2 PPM 660
RH 50%
PPM 750
PH 5.8-6.1
Res Temp 71F








 

littlegrower2004

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that piss is looking pretty promising!! i got full confidence youll pull a LB or pretty close. a couple questions though, how long does that cat piss take to fully flower/how long you going to flower it for? as well as, why did you start you flower nutrients this many days into flower and not at the beginning?
 

Integra21

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that piss is looking pretty promising!! i got full confidence youll pull a LB or pretty close. a couple questions though, how long does that cat piss take to fully flower/how long you going to flower it for? as well as, why did you start you flower nutrients this many days into flower and not at the beginning?
Im not exactly sure on the flower time but its around 8 weeks. The only time I have personally grown this strain was my oustdoor one I did about 20 pages back. And this piss is from a different mom then that one, so only time will tell.As far as the nutrients, it pretty common practice to not start the flower nutrients until budsites begin to show. That's how Ive done all of my grows, I flip the lights and give them veg nutrients until the furst tiny budsites appear. Then I switch to a mix of 50%veg50%flower nutrients for a couple of days and then over to strait flower nutrients after that. When I tried to do flower nutrients right when I flipped the lights, I would get weird curling leaves and random nutrient burn.
i dont no ho i missed this grow guess it was when my internet wass off nice though looking great
Glad you found it then. Enjoy the show and if you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks for stopping in.
 

littlegrower2004

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Im not exactly sure on the flower time but its around 8 weeks. The only time I have personally grown this strain was my oustdoor one I did about 20 pages back. And this piss is from a different mom then that one, so only time will tell.As far as the nutrients, it pretty common practice to not start the flower nutrients until budsites begin to show. That's how Ive done all of my grows, I flip the lights and give them veg nutrients until the furst tiny budsites appear. Then I switch to a mix of 50%veg50%flower nutrients for a couple of days and then over to strait flower nutrients after that. When I tried to do flower nutrients right when I flipped the lights, I would get weird curling leaves and random nutrient burn.
ive never heard of doing that before with the nutrients but what you said sounds pretty smart. i like the idea of weening them off the veg nutes by mixing that with the flower nutes so i might take your way of giving nutes into consideration once i start flowering. thanks for the info on that.
 

#1Raiderfan420

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Damn Bro, very nice work man. Great job on the scrog, one of the best I have seen. I think we might be on the same day of flower man. I looked back at your first grow and have to say those are some awesome buds Integra. Scribed +++Rep
 

quickrip

Active Member
That makes three of us on the same day of flower. Guess everyone was gettin antsy at the same time. Lol.
Great info on the veg nutes into flower a couple weeks integra. Ive got some curling leaves now and I bet thats why. Next round I will try waiting on the flower nutes for sure. Btw hows your minigen working for you? I bought one and it kept shutting off no matter what I did. I sent it back for repair and it still had the same problem. I tried new propane and no luck. Just wondering if yours is consistantly working for you. Also do you have it hooked to a controller or timer or what? Mine was hooked to the fuzzy logic. Ive now gone to a tank and returned the minigen. I hope your having a better experience. Plants are looking fabulous man.
 
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