Government LoopHoles:Steal This Book

[Michael Sparks]

I don't steal. I'm just telling you what's in the book, and trying to point out to you that America is in TERRIBLE condition.
That's great that your family has money. If it's in American currency it will mean NOTHING to the world very soon. Because America IS falling apart.

And I understand you're (spelled right for you) a grammar Nazi. But that just makes you MORE dense.

And the Voting system does not work the way it is supposed to. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT AMERICA. Or even a real democracy. Stop acting like we do. Not everyone is represented. Social Security is a scam now.

Shit is CRAZY right now. Why are you acting like it's ok? For the sake of argument?

The sad point of this back and forth debate is you are both only a fraction "right" but I don't play the right/wrong game because everyone involved loses, We are operating under a Fiat currency, which is designed to fail, look back at all the civilizations that had used it, second point, we ARE a DEMOCRACY, which is sad because our founding father set up a REPUBLIC... hence in the pledge of allegiance, there are more misinformed people now then ever before, why is this.... well, to put it simply, we (as a whole)don't give a shit, it is expected that someone else will take action, which is why we are in the current state of affairs we're in. Stand as a sovereign, take back your rights, and stand up for what you believe in, no one will do it for you. Play nice you two, we are all in this together, whether we'd like to admit it or not.

 

[Michael Sparks]

Which argument are you using about taxation ratification? Southern state governments not being representative of the people or ???? Sovereign individual? 13th, 14th or 16th amendments??????
All of the above? or different?

Hello! Willy, Well, I would say specifically the XVI Amendment but all of the above would be consistent, are you knowledgeable upon this subject ?

 

[WillyBagseed]

Still a personal freedoms Libertarian but when it comes to economics/social law I am an evil Democratic Socialist. I was heavily involved in Libertarian activities in the 1980's - early 90's.

 

[Finshaggy]

The sad point of this back and forth debate is you are both only a fraction "right" but I don't play the right/wrong game because everyone involved loses, We are operating under a Fiat currency, which is designed to fail, look back at all the civilizations that had used it, second point, we ARE a DEMOCRACY, which is sad because our founding father set up a REPUBLIC... hence in the pledge of allegiance, there are more misinformed people now then ever before, why is this.... well, to put it simply, we (as a whole)don't give a shit, it is expected that someone else will take action, which is why we are in the current state of affairs we're in. Stand as a sovereign, take back your rights, and stand up for what you believe in, no one will do it for you. Play nice you two, we are all in this together, whether we'd like to admit it or not.

Not only do we "Not give a shit". In states like Texas the "representatives" set up votes to legalize K2, while voting to legalize things to help themselves. And they DON'T ADVERTISE THE VOTES. They don't tell everyone "Hey, come vote against us." If you look at the records, it's like 6 people changing EVERYONE's lives.

 

[Michael Sparks]

*you're

as in, YOU ARE dense as shit

i have money. my families have money. business is sitting on trillions.

any time you steal, you force the costs of your theft onto everyone else, regardless of whether they can afford it or not.



everyone?

see, the problem with that is that it only takes one example to disprove your claim. you are obviously not very good with logical thinking since you make these "for all" claims.

go steal some more shit. don't worry, i have money, i'll just pay more to make up for your immoral theft.

You are opposed to stealing, yet you give your money to thieves, kinda introverted hypocritical perspective. well, best of luck to you and yours. Freedom fighters, also fight for those misinformed as well, we all share some point of view, sometimes it just takes a bit of digging to find out what that may be.

 

[MJstudent]

haha taking a plane for free just sneek past the ticket lady lol i think they may have up'd security since this book was written

 

[Finshaggy]

haha taking a plane for free just sneek past the ticket lady lol i think they may have up'd security since this book was written

My post right after the 2 book posts says to check up on everything and not to expect any of it to work.

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you not realize you are not obligated to pay any taxes.. it was never ratified, I feel if you are going to ask someone to edit is one thing, doing it for them is censoring, have you no concept of free speech. Did it violate TOU.. or did you just violate this member by abusing your power.

the sixteenth amendment was ratified 2/3/1913, according to my copy of the constitution

and yes, he did violate the TOU as shoplifting is against the law.

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[UncleBuck]

You are opposed to stealing, yet you give your money to thieves, kinda introverted hypocritical perspective.

not really.

i WILLINGLY pay taxes. ya know, because i like the country i live in, the standard of living here, the infrastructure, the fact that we take care of our poorest citizens, as is the test of any great nation.

perhaps you think that you can just enjoy the standard of living available in this great nation while contributing nothing back. i think that is kind of selfish, small-minded, petty, childish, and lacking of perspective, but so be it.

 

[Finshaggy]

not really.

i WILLINGLY pay taxes. ya know, because i like the country i live in, the standard of living here, the infrastructure, the fact that we take care of our poorest citizens, as is the test of any great nation.

perhaps you think that you can just enjoy the standard of living available in this great nation while contributing nothing back. i think that is kind of selfish, small-minded, petty, childish, and lacking of perspective, but so be it.

How do you get welfare, or food stamps? I've got plenty of ideas to make money, but no money to do it with, and no one will hire me in this new state. I'm just about to start getting everything to flow, but some kind of well fare or food stamps would help out, a lot. At least until, or if I can't find a real full time job.

 

[UncleBuck]

...no one will hire me in this new state....

probably because you are a recidivist who is on the run from the law.

i can totally see why, seeing as how you see nothing morally wrong with stealing.

 

[Finshaggy]

probably because you are a recidivist who is on the run from the law.

i can totally see why, seeing as how you see nothing morally wrong with stealing.

You just proved yourself wrong. You don't pay your taxes because you care to help anyone.
And no, it's because I'm brand new, and am 19 with only 4 past jobs in a terrible economy. NO ONE WANTS NO EXPERIENCE. And I have a misdemeanor in another state, but I talked to a lawyer and it doesn't effect me here, except in a background check.

 

[sync0s]

Still a personal freedoms Libertarian but when it comes to economics/social law I am an evil Democratic Socialist. I was heavily involved in Libertarian activities in the 1980's - early 90's.

That's a bit of an oxymoron. How can you be a personal freedoms libertarian but yet still consider yourself a socialist?

 

[sync0s]

You just proved yourself wrong. You don't pay your taxes because you care to help anyone.
And no, it's because I'm brand new, and am 19 with only 4 past jobs in a terrible economy. NO ONE WANTS NO EXPERIENCE. And I have a misdemeanor in another state, but I talked to a lawyer and it doesn't effect me here, except in a background check.

There's always a job available. The problem is people are too damn picky over what their willing to do.

 

[Finshaggy]

There's always a job available. The problem is people are too damn picky over what their willing to do.

No. I just live an hour drive from the city, and I have no car. There are no jobs where I am, and the people that can hire near me, won't. Due to a misdemeanor in another state.

 

[Carne Seca]

I hope you're keeping track of your story. It's getting a bit convoluted.

 

[Finshaggy]

I hope you're keeping track of your story. It's getting a bit convoluted.

You're talking about my life.

 

[WillyBagseed]

That's a bit of an oxymoron. How can you be a personal freedoms libertarian but yet still consider yourself a socialist?

Contrary to popular belief they can work hand in hand. What many people refuse to believe is that compromise is needed for social interaction. You cannot have everybody running around thinking they can do as they please with no regulations and still have a civil society (yes a generic overstatement). I'll post some beliefs below and you tell me what you think I am.

these are just a few:

Anti Patriot act
pro gun. period, if you are a threat to society you should more than likely be in prison or a mental institution. If you are not you can own a gun.
pro choice
pro cannabis (really all drugs. as an American citizen you have the right to fuck yourself over, as long as you are not infringing on others, ex: stealing, killing etc to support habit)
pro drinking/voting at age of 17 (if you can join the military and get trained to kill at 17 you should be able to vote and drink)
anti road side stops - illegal search
anti helmet and seat belt laws for those over 17
anti no knocks
anti camera tickets (stop signs, red lights, speeding etc.)
anti supreme court has the power to decide what is and is not constitutional..... read the constitution, nowhere does it give them this power
anti tax exempt churches
pro medicare / medicaid part E .... Healthcare is a right not a privilege
pro free college/ tech school for all who qualify grade wise
pro regulations on corporations that are not people and money is not speech
pro social security
*pro EPA
*pro USDA
*both need better funding and cleaned up regulations
pro union
pro taxes - you do not get shit for free
anti free market/free trade, (no such thing, ever)
anti laissez-faire capitalism
pro fair market/trade
anti war except in true self defense, not the made up self defense shit they claim lately.
anti death penalty - as long as there is any chance an innocent can be put to death it should be illegal to have the death penalty. Get to 100% plus that people are guilty and I have no issues with it, reasonable doubt and or the belief somebody is guilty doesn't cut it when somebodies life is on the line. To put somebody to death there has to be absolute proof, period, not eyewitness only, not it looks like he did it but 100% we know for a fact he did it.

And I do not consider myself a socialist or a Social Democrat or a Communist etc.. etc.... I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, big difference. Go make all the money you wish I do not care, as long as it is not on the backs of the average citizen. Fucking people over with poor products, or poisoning my water and food etc... etc... is unacceptable and I refute the belief the "market" or the people will fix this... maybe after people start dropping... lol. Taking huge pay raises and huge golden parachutes whilst laying off workers or keeping fair wages low so you can make millions and in some cases with stock options billions is wrong, period.


Many people know what "the cost of doing Business" is, many of those same people have no clue what "the cost of having a civilized society" is.

Generic description:
A libertarian is more liberal than a Liberal on matters of personal liberty (me), and he is more conservative than a Conservative on matters of economic autonomy (not me).

Ask away on a subject, I will let you know where I stand.

 

[Michael Sparks]

Contrary to popular belief they can work hand in hand. What many people refuse to believe is that compromise is needed for social interaction. You cannot have everybody running around thinking they can do as they please with no regulations and still have a civil society (yes a generic overstatement). I'll post some beliefs below and you tell me what you think I am.

these are just a few:

Anti Patriot act
pro gun. period, if you are a threat to society you should more than likely be in prison or a mental institution. If you are not you can own a gun.
pro choice
pro cannabis (really all drugs. as an American citizen you have the right to fuck yourself over, as long as you are not infringing on others, ex: stealing, killing etc to support habit)
pro drinking/voting at age of 17 (if you can join the military and get trained to kill at 17 you should be able to vote and drink)
anti road side stops - illegal search
anti helmet and seat belt laws for those over 17
anti no knocks
anti camera tickets (stop signs, red lights, speeding etc.)
anti supreme court has the power to decide what is and is not constitutional..... read the constitution, nowhere does it give them this power
anti tax exempt churches
pro medicare / medicaid part E .... Healthcare is a right not a privilege
pro free college/ tech school for all who qualify grade wise
pro regulations on corporations that are not people and money is not speech
pro social security
*pro EPA
*pro FDA
*both need better funding and cleaned up regulations
pro union
pro taxes - you do not get shit for free
anti free market/free trade, (no such thing, ever)
anti laissez-faire capitalism
pro fair market/trade
anti war except in true self defense, not the made up self defense shit they claim lately.
anti death penalty - as long as there is any chance an innocent can be put to death it should be illegal to have the death penalty. Get to 100% plus that people are guilty and I have no issues with it, reasonable doubt and or the belief somebody is guilty doesn't cut it when somebodies life is on the line. To put somebody to death there has to be absolute proof, period, not eyewitness only, not it looks like he did it but 100% we know for a fact he did it.

And I do not consider myself a socialist or a Social Democrat or a Communist etc.. etc.... I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, big difference. Go make all the money you wish I do not care, as long as it is not on the backs of the average citizen. Fucking people over with poor products, or poisoning my water and food etc... etc... is unacceptable and I refute the belief the "market" or the people will fix this... maybe after people start dropping... lol. Taking huge pay raises and huge golden parachutes whilst laying off workers or keeping fair wages low so you can make millions and in some cases with stock options billions is wrong, period.


Many people know what "the cost of doing Business" is, many of those same people have no clue what "the cost of having a civilized society" is.

Generic description:
A libertarian is more liberal than a Liberal on matters of personal liberty (me), and he is more conservative than a Conservative on matters of economic autonomy (not me).

Ask away on a subject, I will let you know where I stand.

Do you have any idea or concept what Common Law is.. How about Sovereignty? Thing problem is most people don't really know what is going on in their nation, we have all giving up our choices, relinquished our rights, willingly I might add. If you don't know what I am talking about. spread this like a good virus; [video=youtube;9Tw15aK9NxQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tw15aK9NxQ[/video]

 

[WillyBagseed]

Know it, I was an active Libertarian 1980 - early 90's then I woke up. Still hold on to personal freedoms but my economics/social outlook has changed dramatically.


I will now make an evil (or stupid) statement as far as many Libertarians are concerned.

I was born in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and ...... I am a citizen of the United States of America.


For those who are not Libertarians that will mean nothing, the rest of you know what I am saying... lol