Ethical Dilemma

OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Well, at least you're consistent. Good luck with your discussion. We are at a fundamental disagreement. This discussion is quite personal for me also as I am a type 1 diabetic and we were targeted by Hitler's eugenics movement and the current modern eugenics movement has close ties to that one. So I doubt we'll ever be seeing eye to eye on this.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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april said:
So very true, very good people raise horrible people, regardless of the affection and attention a child is given nothing can change how they think as an individual person, if they crave the rush from doing bad things or hurting people this is something wrong with them not the people who tried to guide them, no amount or horror movies, bad music or shitty parenting will make a person become a serial killer, well within reason, if the parents are totaly psycho the child will parrot their behavior since it's all they know, but i know great people who have sloppy addict parents. Who u are depends on so many factors
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About 1/100 people are sociopaths. Most don't end up being serial killers or rapists.
 
april

april

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RainbowBrite86 said:
I am. Everyone has choices. You can't force a man to stay in a child's life if he doesn't want to just the same as you shouldn't force a woman to have a child.
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Wait these are not even similar, if a man knocks a chick up he is responsible to help that child out, not her but the child yes. A women does get to decide if she has a child or not, involving the guy when making the choice would depend on the situation ( and the women ) but never should a lady have an abortion b4 letting the guy know whats going on.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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april said:
Wait these are not even similar, if a man knocks a chick up he is responsible to help that child out, not her but the child yes. A women does get to decide if she has a child or not, involving the guy when making the choice would depend on the situation ( and the women ) but never should a lady have an abortion b4 letting the guy know whats going on.
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Except the guy has no say in the abortion. I am all for mandatory child support. I just don't support the right to arbitrarily choose whether someone lives or dies (as I stated before I support the choice in cases of rape or complications, but that isn't so arbitrary). Women get abortions without consulting their man all the time and ultimately the man has absolutely no say in the matter. Quite frankly it's a bad mentality that creates problems in society IMO and reduces expectations on men greatly (as well as creating resentment). The woman can also always put the child up for adoption.
 
medicalmaryjane

medicalmaryjane

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i know u all will hate me for saying this but
i wouldn't hesitate to have an abortion if i got pregnant with someone i didn't want to have a child with. i wouldn't feel like i had to consult the man. i certainly wouldn't care if he wanted the kid, it's my body, i am not going to carry a child for 9 months and give it to some idiot who didn't wear a condom. i wouldn't be in that situation but i understand why women have to do what they have to do.

it's not a baby anyway, it's just a fertalized egg.
 
april

april

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OGEvilgenius said:
Except the guy has no say in the abortion. I am all for mandatory child support. I just don't support the right to arbitrarily choose whether someone lives or dies (as I stated before I support the choice in cases of rape or complications, but that isn't so arbitrary). Women get abortions without consulting their man all the time and ultimately the man has absolutely no say in the matter. Quite frankly it's a bad mentality that creates problems in society IMO and reduces expectations on men greatly (as well as creating resentment). The woman can also always put the child up for adoption.
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Very much agree, i know 2 women who have had multiple abortions because they do not practice safe sex, i find it disgusting that they so easily made this choice multiple times when they were not victims or violated, simply careless. I'm also in like urself and feel abortion should only be given as an option by a doctor if the choice to use protection or even consent was not given, otherwise like people have said adoption is wonderful, my mother and step brother are both adopted, but i feel people should take responsibility for their actions ,
 
april

april

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medicalmaryjane said:
i know u all will hate me for saying this but
i wouldn't hesitate to have an abortion if i got pregnant with someone i didn't want to have a child with. i wouldn't feel like i had to consult the man. i certainly wouldn't care if he wanted the kid, it's my body, i am not going to carry a child for 9 months and give it to some idiot who didn't wear a condom. i wouldn't be in that situation but i understand why women have to do what they have to do.

it's not a baby anyway, it's just a fertalized egg.
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Are we talking about a one night stand or a casual fwb? I dunno seems selfish
 
RainbowBrite86

RainbowBrite86

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medicalmaryjane said:
i know u all will hate me for saying this but
i wouldn't hesitate to have an abortion if i got pregnant with someone i didn't want to have a child with. i wouldn't feel like i had to consult the man. i certainly wouldn't care if he wanted the kid, it's my body, i am not going to carry a child for 9 months and give it to some idiot who didn't wear a condom. i wouldn't be in that situation but i understand why women have to do what they have to do.

it's not a baby anyway, it's just a fertalized egg.
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I absolutely agree. Although I wouldn't choose abortion for myself unless it was under extenuating circumstances, I think it should always be up to the woman. I don't care what her reasons are. You can call it selfish of her if you want, but men are selfish all the time.
 
medicalmaryjane

medicalmaryjane

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i am talking one night stand or very casual infrequent relationship. someone you have an ongoing relationship with is another story.
 
april

april

Pickle Queen
RainbowBrite86 said:
Ah shit, April I put that selfish part in before I read your post. That wasn't meant to be directed at your post.
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lol no worries, can i request u get an actual rainbowbrite avatar lol ;) damn i still have my doll packed in a box back in cold ass Canada lol
 
RainbowBrite86

RainbowBrite86

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april said:
lol no worries, can i request u get an actual rainbowbrite avatar lol ;) damn i still have my doll packed in a box back in cold ass Canada lol
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You absolutely can! :lol: I loved RainbowBrite growing up...where have all the good cartoons gone...

And thank you MMJ!
 
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