Well, if you believe in the 2nd Amendment, Obama has a surprise for you...

timlang420

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not true.
self defense? because the bad guy has a gun so you need a gun? then he needs a gun bigger than your gun, so do you now need a gun bigger than his? nobody should have guns, at least not a civilian. and hunting, with a gun, i mean whatever. imo hunting with a gun is cheating anyway...
 

UncleBuck

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self defense? because the bad guy has a gun so you need a gun? then he needs a gun bigger than your gun, so do you now need a gun bigger than his? nobody should have guns, at least not a civilian. and hunting, with a gun, i mean whatever. imo hunting with a gun is cheating anyway...
well, that's certainly an opinion.

even though i do not own a gun at the moment, i would never wish to take anyone's legitimate self defense weapon away.
 

MuyLocoNC

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When you've passed Fox and gone on to infowars, that's when you know you're past help.
And when you've passed the NY Times and spent even 5 mins in the last year watching MSNBC, that's when you know you've had a lobotomy and can truly call yourself a liberal.
 

Doer

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why do you need the guns or the ammo the govt is trying to put restrictions on anyway? even if there where no laws for guns and you could have whatever weapon you wanted, do you think you'd be able to stand up against the military if the govt did start some shit with you?(which is what the 2nd amendment is for, because 224 years ago when the constitution was put into effect, the revolutionary war was a crazy event that recently happened and citizens needed muskets to fight the muskets of the oppressive govt and where able to defeat them) no, you still wouldnt stand a chance against their drones and tanks...and you certainly dont need them for hunting. so why does it matter? this is one of the few cases where i think the govt is doing a good thing to help keep us safer, and they're still doing a shitty job of it. wheres the arguement here? the govt is trampling your rights? your rights for what? is it a slippery slope that you think will end with every gun being taken away? do you need an automatic weapon for anything other than killing? my opinion on guns, any gun anywhere at anytime, is why? (super hippie right now) whats the point? they are just dangerous to me. i know there has always been ways to kill people, but guns just make it way to easy.

also, one of the measures i read was limiting clips to 10 rounds...really? so they just need more clips? or when the guns are used irresponsibly they just kill fewer people?
You don't know what the argument is. The 9th Amendment is very clear. We have all Rights. We grant the govt some power. The 2nd A is about military weapons, specifically. SCOTUS DC vs Heller. M-16 is mentioned. And I'm afraid you know nothing of asymmetrical warfare. It ain't the weapons it's the balls. OK a hint, for the under-informed.

WE take the weapons from those WE kill. Thus it is ever so in lopsided warfare. WE are not afraid of this govt. They are afraid of US. That's why all this numb-nut gun banning talk....fear from those elected. All the lies are based on fear including the one about how much ammo one NEEDS.

States can do those things, not the Feds. It's Law. Not talk.

Please know we will go after this govt WE elected with sticks and stones if WE NEED TO. Human waves. WE will draw the worlds attention. So, don't step in the bullshit. These clowns can say what they want. Freedom of speech.

Specifically this means that Laws that are seeking to tell us what we need, have to be put against the "common good" in every case. And the common good here is a bunch of armed citizens. That is the 2nd Amendment.

So, you are falling for the wrong agreement, seems to me. You don't know how many rounds are needed in a 2nd A situation. No one does. So, that is not to be infringed on the Federal level and it won't be. And the same thing goes for hunting. That's not 2nd A. There is no right to hunt with a firearm.

Keep and bare - 2nd A.
Right to life, and chase happiness - Preamble
ALL other Rights not mentioned =- 9th A

Don't fall for these LIAR DEMONS on both sides. A shotgun will break your arm in a panic and a short shuck will get you killed.

When the Liar Demon Fenstien said this weekend that a shotgun gives me the element of surprise when MY home is invaded, when she is carrying that .44 bullpup revolver, that makes me sick.

What we need is an early education on Rights. Early gun safety awareness in kindergarten is what we need.

For the OP, the 2nd is no religion, so I don't have to believe in it.

You have been sold down the TV opinion river. Swim back. It's not too late. :)
 

Moldy

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Our country is under attack and Obama is focused on disarming citizens in violation of the 2nd Amendment.
New backdoor import ban of all parts kits and hi cap mags
After Senate setback, Obama quietly moving forward with gun regulation
A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Final Rule published today in the Federal Register and a news release issued Friday by the Department of Health and Human Services, followed up with a notice to be published tomorrow, are two developments all but ignored by the mainstream press even though Vice President Joe Biden announced last week that the administration would be using executive orders to advance “gun control” goals following a Senate battle that could not muster the votes to do so legislatively.

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/this-is-huge-obama-to-ban-gun-import-via-excecutive-orders-no-more-milsurp-parts-sets-no-more-milsurp-magazines-no-more-milsurp-ammo-no-more-milsurp-optics-perhaps-not-even-spare-firing-p/#XJ3PsCh7IlMp6ICr.99
They can have my gun if they want it, I'm a little more worried that they'll take my weed away and me with it. Now that's a concern! Worrying about the goober-ment taking my gun away is really a funny joke. WTF have you been eating?
 

Doer

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self defense? because the bad guy has a gun so you need a gun? then he needs a gun bigger than your gun, so do you now need a gun bigger than his? nobody should have guns, at least not a civilian. and hunting, with a gun, i mean whatever. imo hunting with a gun is cheating anyway...
I'm gonna say, you have never seen the elephant. Never been invaded. Never been held at gun point. I have been, 3 times now, in 3 different parts of the country. You can see the rifling...never mind.

Never had to shoot for food.....not versed in the 2nd A.
 

Doer

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If the government doesn't trust its people, why should the people trust the government?
We don't trust the US govt. Where have you been? No one trust the govt. The govt does not trust us. They are not suppose to. Don't step in the bullshit.

WE are an armed camp, Constitutionally. It remains as Constituted thusly, despite the Demons of Politics.
 

gagekko

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and now we take off our shoes and endure all sorts of buttfuckery because 3,000 people died 12 years ago.

but in the least year alone, way more people died by high capacity semi auto mags, and we're not asking you to take your shoes off, we just want to make sure you are not a rapist psychopath with 3 dozen restraining orders.

so your example really just worked against you.
Really? I notice you round off the numbers to an even 3,000 - i guess after 3,000 lives lost get a little redundant, huh?

And how many people lost their lives to mass shootings with automatic weapons since then? If we follow your logic, we should be banning comercial jet liners.
 

GOD HERE

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Oh sorry to hear that wiki couldn't hold your attention anymore.... what bullshit sources will you cite now?
If for whatever reason I need information from an encyclopedia I prefer Britannica for that reason. Better yet, there's these things called books..
I don't think you have a leg to stand on when you talk shit on unbiased sources and then get your information from opinion programming. I mean how fucking dumb are you? You were obviously never taught how to form an opinion and think critically. Therefore in order to have an opinion one has to be given to you because you're too stupid to put two and two together.
 

ricky1lung

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If for whatever reason I need information from an encyclopedia I prefer Britannica for that reason. Better yet, there's these things called books..
I don't think you have a leg to stand on when you talk shit on unbiased sources and then get your information from opinion programming. I mean how fucking dumb are you? You were obviously never taught how to form an opinion and think critically. Therefore in order to have an opinion one has to be given to you because you're too stupid to put two and two together.
Damn radicals, all thinking for themselves and sh!t.
:)
 

timlang420

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You don't know what the argument is. The 9th Amendment is very clear. We have all Rights. We grant the govt some power. The 2nd A is about military weapons, specifically. SCOTUS DC vs Heller. M-16 is mentioned. And I'm afraid you know nothing of asymmetrical warfare. It ain't the weapons it's the balls. OK a hint, for the under-informed.

WE take the weapons from those WE kill. Thus it is ever so in lopsided warfare. WE are not afraid of this govt. They are afraid of US. That's why all this numb-nut gun banning talk....fear from those elected. All the lies are based on fear including the one about how much ammo one NEEDS.

Please know we will go after this govt WE elected with sticks and stones if WE NEED TO. Human waves. WE will draw the worlds attention. So, don't step in the bullshit. These clowns can say what they want. Freedom of speech.

Specifically this means that Laws that are seeking to tell us what we need, have to be put against the "common good" in every case. And the common good here is a bunch of armed citizens. That is the 2nd Amendment.

So, you are falling for the wrong agreement, seems to me. You don't know how many rounds are needed in a 2nd A situation. No one does. So, that is not to be infringed on the Federal level and it won't be. And the same thing goes for hunting. That's not 2nd A. There is no right to hunt with a firearm.

Keep and bare - 2nd A.
Right to life, and chase happiness - Preamble
ALL other Rights not mentioned =- 9th A

What we need is an early education on Rights. Early gun safety awareness in kindergarten is what we need.

You have been sold down the TV opinion river. Swim back. It's not too late. :)
actually the 9th amendment is not very clear, as it states "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people". it was actually just a compromise between Federalists and Anti Federalists, as Hamilton wrote, Why should a Bill of Rights "declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?". it pertains more to privacy than to guns specifically.

the 2nd amendment, like all parts of the constitution, is subject to change, as the constitution is (imo) a living document and has the ability to be amended. so you go by the supreme court cases through history, and the court case you actually bring up, D.C. v Heller actually
stated that the Second Amendment "codified a pre-existing right" and that it "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home", but also stated that "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose". They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment.

the right is unconnected to service with a militia, so there goes your argument bout military weapons, specifically. self defense within a home does not require automatic weapons or extended clips. it actually doesnt require lethal force at all, there are many non lethal weapons for defense. it also says the right is NOT unlimited, so the supreme court has already ruled you cant have any gun you want, whenever you want it for whatever purpose you want. the restrictions that are being presented are less than a compromise and responsible gun owners should have no problem with them.

also theres this;
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), the Supreme Court ruled that "[t]he right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendments means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government."

not granted by the constitution....

education is always the greatest tool any society has. in this case however i believe its more logical to get rid of guns or make them almost impossible to acquire, rather than take the chance that you child is hanging out with another child who is less educated bout the danger of guns, and then an terrible accident happens. for real, thats what scares me the most. my kids gonna be at his friends house, whos parents are gun owners, and theres an accident of some kind and my kid gets shot. not some nut job who walks into his school with an oozie. and that begs the question why? why have a gun in your house?

imo, guns are fucking stupid and present more danger than good. i got a 9 year old son and i wont have a gun in my house, i dont want my neighbors to have guns in their houses, its just not worth the risk. just like a car, if you were to make a gun today you wouldnt design it the same way you would have decades ago. there are many advances is technology that are non lethal methods of restraining a "bad guy" for example bean bag guns, tasers, tear gas, pepper spray, chemical agents... the common good is for safety, (not "a bunch of armed citizens") and i feel less safe with guns around.

also whats with all the "WE" talk? sounds like your in a militia and your ready to go to war...kinda creepy bro...
 

Doer

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Well I'm creepy, close your eyes.

That 1875 rules does not stand against Heller. And you need to read a heck of a lot more about that little phrase, the 9th Amendment. It is the basis of All Rights. It means that even the un-expressed or un-implied freedom to come are not excuded as Rights. It has a basis in the legal difintions in England. It was meant to make sure of individual sovereignty, actual, for all time.

New rights emerge and belong to WE the People. They are not to be defined and limited,by the elected govt, in advance or even too soon. But, these new definitions, such as gay rights, have to be given time and are state by state. So spake SCOTUS, recently.

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education is always the greatest tool any society has. in this case however i believe its more logical to get rid of guns or make them almost impossible to acquire, rather than take the chance that you child is hanging out with another child who is less educated

No, the 2nd. So, that is an un-consitutional failure of thought. Yu cannot get rid of guns and and you can't make them impossible to get. There are hundreds of millions of guns.

Kids that are not educated point guns at people. And we cannot protect them unless they know.

There is only one choice here.

it is an impossible dream to try to get rid of guns and we will shoot back, before that happens.


This country you live in and the one that does the heavy lifting to protect the Sea Lanes would not exist without guns. So think again and grow a spine. Guns protect us so you don't have to own one.
 

BeastGrow

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The possibility that you could own a gun and be able to defend yourself is enough to stop a lot of violence. Tim is oblivious to this fact. He thinks he is safe because he doesn't have a gun.

In reality, he is only safe because of the 2nd amendment and because there probably isn't much violence near his home.

If you get rid of all guns it will make it easier for criminals to commit crimes.

There will always be a black market for guns so long as guns exist. Do you really believe USA has the resources to stop guns from getting into the USA if we can't even keep people out?
 

automated

Active Member
imo, those opposing gun ristrictions often sound like little tyrants whom had once been given power through politcal means, and now do not want to give it up.

I sometimes wonder what goes through the minds of these people when they vacation in for example the netherlands.
Do they see us as helpless unarmed fools ?
I guess so, ... the opposite is very much true though, I see most of them as little tyrants.
 
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