MMPR Grow op: Small Scale
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redi jedi
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You dont have to build a vault, you can use a safe instead. You can get a large enough safe to store 50kg. Roughly the size of large double door fridge
The vault sounds intimidating, but when you break it down it is really just a concrete room with rebar and a serious security system. At the end of the day it is not that big a deal compared to many of the other requirements. We contemplated a safe, but it seems too small so we are planning for a walk in vault.
As for outsourcing to labs, HC told me that they could not provide the names of any labs during the R&D application. Further, they said I needed to identify a lab and provide their name and controlled substance license number. I wonder if the denial was more related to not identifying a legal lab rather than using a third party lab in principle. Another thing I have noticed when speaking with people is that many are thinking about using the third party lab as their QAP. I dont know if HC will accept that as they may not be able to provide the level of QA they are looking for, especially related to internal operations (SOPs, facility sanitation program, etc.). The labs could potentially do the testing, but at the end of the day you need a QA person to evaluate the results as well as oversee the other aspects of production. It could be that HC wants the QAP to be internal, and I see the reasoning behind that.
redi jedi
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Actually, I have priced such a safe. I found they were still cheaper than a vault built to specs. Thats a new safe too.
Vacuum packing would help reduce your volume.
Shawns
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I would look online for used safes my friend found one 7'x7'x4'wide for like $1000 but he had to remove it witch cost him another few hundred but it was well worth it, it was used to store mink coats and other expensive coats anyways people don't want to remove them when they close there business so thats were I would look, business going out of business even places that sell safes sometimes have used ones for way cheaper
redi jedi
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Just need to make sure the used safe is ulc-tl-15 rated, or better.
itsmehigh
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This is what we're looking at, the biggest we could find in Canada 6'x3'x28". We would need two at $7500 and 3100lbs each not a simple move. Going to need some serious floor support.
http://www.completesecurityhardware.com/tf-600-ul-tl-15-class-2-safes/
http://www.completesecurityhardware.com/tf-600-ul-tl-15-class-2-safes/
redi jedi
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Give these guys a call, they deal with used safes or could manufacture one to suit. They will install also.
Burglary Safes & Jewelery Safes in Toronto, Canada
Burglary Safes & Jewelery Safes in Toronto, Canada
molemandan
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I have received official quotes from almost all and they are no where near the least expensive. Just email the MMPR and request a list of authorized labs. They will get back to you within a couple days.
molemandan
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You are starting a business. Do the work.
CDNSTEVE
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I have been following this thread and had high interest in becoming a licenced producer , after reading the demands and needs from Health Canada this can not be started off on a small scale meaning a large cost to operate or even get your foot in the door . Every guide line is a cost and no corners can be cut or you won't be approved . So unless you are will financed this is just a dream for the average person .
Shawns
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No offence but if you can't find a lab for yourself there is going to be a lot more you can't do, finding a lab is probably the easiest part
redi jedi
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The biggest hurdle to overcome is finding a location then dealing with zoning. Everything else is relatively easy. Where I live there are many empty warehouses and industrial space, but the owners want nothing to do with cannabis production.
I myself am quickly losing faith this is possible to do as a small business.
I myself am quickly losing faith this is possible to do as a small business.
That's saying you have enough financing. The banks I've spoken to don't want in yet, unless somebody knows different please let me know.
R.Raider
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Which banks have you spoken to if you don't mind me asking?
To my financial advisor at TD and he talked to his regional manager which in turn spoke to corporate. After finding that out he directed me to ATB because apparently their lending criteria is one of the lowest, most easy going for lending at least what I was told. I have up on banks because they are all very alike.
That is not a sufficient sample size based on the European, British, or international pharmacopoeia (schedule B documents that must be followed). Perhaps there is another schedule B document where that is acceptable, but this is fairly standard from what I have seen. I'm sure that 50g is more than enough to do the analysis from the labs perspective, but you need to follow specific sampling procedures to ensure it accurately represents the batch. This is a good example of why HC requires a QA person that is familiar with these documents, and why it would be better to have an internal QAP rather than relying on a third party lab.
Also, did they give you their controlled substance license number? HC requested this from us during the R&D application and I assume would require it for this stage as well.