You Also Can't Keep Your Doctor

[see4]

Her existing healthcare plan is going to be cancelled because before Obamacare, health insurance policies were not allowed be sold across state lines, now policies may not be offered across county lines.

Insurance companies didn't make that law, guess who did?

Thanks Obama.

Can you provide a citation for the bold statement please? Thanks!

 

[canndo]

Can you provide a citation for the bold statement please? Thanks!

It is a simple problem with about the only solution the one we now have. Currently we have 50 different sets of regulations governing health insurance. Any insurance company can opt to conform to any state's regulations it wishes but why should they when they can divide the pie any way they wish?

 

[see4]

It is a simple problem with about the only solution the one we now have. Currently we have 50 different sets of regulations governing health insurance. Any insurance company can opt to conform to any state's regulations it wishes but why should they when they can divide the pie any way they wish?

Single Payer. A semi-private system would correct that in a jiffy.

 

[ChesusRice]

It is a simple problem with about the only solution the one we now have. Currently we have 50 different sets of regulations governing health insurance. Any insurance company can opt to conform to any state's regulations it wishes but why should they when they can divide the pie any way they wish?

The Federal Goverment has nothing to do about insurance being sold across state lines. That is a problem you would have to take up with all 50 state insurance commisioners.

 

[Dr Kynes]

The Federal Goverment has nothing to do about insurance being sold across state lines. That is a problem you would have to take up with all 50 state insurance commisioners.

the Commerce Clause says you are full of shit.

all interstate traffic is regulated by the federal government, NOT the states, and if a state prefers not to allow out of state corporations to do business in their area (particularly in financial services) then they can do that, but only with the indulgence of the feds.

nothing stops a corporation from setting up a subsidiary in any state they choose, as long as they abide by state laws and regulations for their business.

it sounds like you are arguing for bigger and more powerful corporate entities with the ability to steamroll right over state law and state regulations.

cool. welcome to the Ayn Rand club dingus.

i'll get you your complimentary fedora.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Edie Littlefeild lost her insurance company becuase her company quit selling insurance on the individual market in California

well thanks to obamacare a new company will be compelled to accept this millstone around their necks, with predictably high premiums for everybody else.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

the Commerce Clause says you are full of shit.

all interstate traffic is regulated by the federal government, NOT the states, and if a state prefers not to allow out of state corporations to do business in their area (particularly in financial services) then they can do that, but only with the indulgence of the feds.

nothing stops a corporation from setting up a subsidiary in any state they choose, as long as they abide by state laws and regulations for their business.

it sounds like you are arguing for bigger and more powerful corporate entities with the ability to steamroll right over state law and state regulations.

cool. welcome to the Ayn Rand club dingus.

i'll get you your complimentary fedora.

I thought you liked Ayn Rand? That's the main reason I hate the bitch.

 

[see4]

all interstate traffic is regulated by the federal government, NOT the states, and if a state prefers not to allow out of state corporations to do business in their area (particularly in financial services) then they can do that, but only with the indulgence of the feds.

I am not clear as to where you came up with this assumption. If you could please support this with citation, I would be pleasantly grateful.

Federal laws are pretty black and white, especially when it comes to commerce regulation.

 

[Wavels]

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Bullyboy White House aide sparks outrage by 'smearing' terminal cancer patient who dared speak out against Obamacare

• Dan Pfeiffer, the top White House communications strategist, tweeted out a liberal organization's hit piece on Edie Sundby's insurance company
• Pfeiffer has one of the few 'official' White House Twitter accounts
  
• The story ran on the Think Progress blog, a project of the Center for American Progress – run by a former Clinton White House chief of staff
  
• It alleged Sundby's now-famous health insurance limbo is United Healthcare's fault, not Obamacare's
• Sundby, who has battled gallbladder cancer for nearly seven years, wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed about how Obamacare will affect her health
  
• Her insurance plan will be canceled next month, leaving her to choose between one government plan that won't cover her primary care doctor and another that won't cover her oncologist

• Obama had claimed Americans could keep their doctors after Obamacare became law: 'What happened to the president's promises?' she asked
  

By DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR and LYDIA WARREN
PUBLISHED: 20:51 EST, 4 November 2013 | UPDATED: 10:58 EST, 5 November 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...appy-Obamacare-gets-White-House-pushback.html
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[Wavels]

Something is wrong with this site, in that, I have to jump through layers of security testing in order to post????

Too ponderous for me to bother with now.

I also have no idea where that dopey box came from in my above post.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I thought you liked Ayn Rand? That's the main reason I hate the bitch.

i like Ayn Rand's epistemology, but i am not a huge fan of her conclusions, or her prose.

and why would me liking something cause you to hate it?

are you a Bitter Bunny?
a Hater Hare?
a Rancorous Rabbit?
a Leftist Lepus?

 

[canndo]

i like Ayn Rand's epistemology, but i am not a huge fan of her conclusions, or her prose.

both of which tend to remind me of my Sophomore year in College.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Something is wrong with this site, in that, I have to jump through layers of security testing in order to post????

Too ponderous for me to bother with now.

I also have no idea where that dopey box came from in my above post.

when you copy/paste the formatting gets all squirrelly.

paste to notepad first, to strip away the hidden HTML and Java tags (which may or may not work on this site) then copy from notepad to continue.

the security thing is to prevent spam-bots. once you ditch the extraneous tags and hidden codes from your source, that will stop happening.

 

[Dr Kynes]

both of which tend to remind me of my Sophomore year in College.

anyone can make snide allusions and dismissive remarks.
state a position and support it, or refrain from smug comments which imply superiority.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I am not clear as to where you came up with this assumption. If you could please support this with citation, I would be pleasantly grateful.

Federal laws are pretty black and white, especially when it comes to commerce regulation.

the "Commerce Clause" grants all power to regulate interstate commerce exclusively to the feds, while the states can only regulate commerce within their state itself.

the wild expansion of the "Commerce Clause" over the last 100 years or so (since the Woodrow Wilson junta) makes clear that any regulation of commerce particularly across state lines can only occur with the feds acceptance.

isurnace is only a contract between a person and the corporation, when those contracts are exercised across state lines differing state rules cause an undue burden on the weaker party in the contract (you) and gives advantage to the stronger party (the insurance company) thus most states insist that all insurance contracts be handled through an in-state subsidiary which adheres to the same laws and regulations the contract is drawn up in, not the ones from the state where the company is based.

this kind of intra-state regulation of Interstate corporate activity could be squashed by the feds with ease, yet they have chosen to ALLOW the states to handle this shit themselves.

that is Indulgence.

shit the courts have declared my dope patch to be a hazard to their power to regulate interstate commerce.

regulating interstate insurance company's rights to make contracts in a state? thats easy to destroy through the commerce clause, just from the plain text. it doesnt even take a swirling mass of interlocking precedents to justify that shit.

 

[SirGreenThumb]

I need to go ahead and sign up for ACA so I can make it cheaper for old people to live longer with cheaper healthcare. I also want to provide for people who don't want to provide for themselves. What can I say, I'm a giver.

 

[canndo]

anyone can make snide allusions and dismissive remarks.
state a position and support it, or refrain from smug comments which imply superiority.

How so? I was as sophomoric as sophomores get in Their sophomore year. I was absolutely astounded at new (to me) ideas, philosophies were magical, even the foolish ones but I was enamored nonetheless. Now beyond that, I was an english major and so was steeped in what was supposed to be good literature. Rand was not in that classification. I have found that many on the right mistake one's commentary on the prose itself as commentary on the ideas contained. If a badly written book has some interesting ideas, it is still a badly written book.

The same holds true unfortunately for movies. I consider myself a reasonable critic. I have seen Atlas Shrugged I and II. The first was beyond horrible yet I heard any number of radiocons extoling the movie as though it were the next Godfather or along the lines of Citizne Kane. Why? because there is some portion of these people who have a great difficulty with such concepts, if the artist is a pedophile then the art must be bad. If the idea within a bad movie is something they believe in, then the movie must be wonderful in every category.

 

[canndo]

I need to go ahead and sign up for ACA so I can make it cheaper for old people to live longer with cheaper healthcare. I also want to provide for people who don't want to provide for themselves. What can I say, I'm a giver.

Yeah. And you are never ever going to be old, or sick. You are never going to be without a job or means of income. I am here to tell you, blink twice and you will fail to recognize that old man in the mirror when you get up in the morning. Blink again and you will find that your methods of supporting yourself are not as easy as they once were, blink yet again and you may find yourself in need of that cheap health care - that you paid for long ago by paying for someone elses along the way.

 

[canndo]

anyone can make snide allusions and dismissive remarks.
state a position and support it, or refrain from smug comments which imply superiority.

And one more thing - you have put me in my place more than any other person on this site - what you getting all prickly for?

 

[SirGreenThumb]

Yeah. And you are never ever going to be old, or sick. You are never going to be without a job or means of income. I am here to tell you, blink twice and you will fail to recognize that old man in the mirror when you get up in the morning. Blink again and you will find that your methods of supporting yourself are not as easy as they once were, blink yet again and you may find yourself in need of that cheap health care - that you paid for long ago by paying for someone elses along the way.

This is the reason why most responsible people have savings and try to make something of themselves while they are still young. I have plenty of money and am in the process of opening a new business. So, I'm not worried.

But what happens if your business doesn't work out or fails? Well, since I'm a network admin/architect and the world relies on computer technology I think I'll always have a source of income.