America has become a FASCIST CORPORATOCRACY!!

No way they could do it? Maybe your right... unless they had 9 trillion dollars...

... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=federal+reserve+9+trillion+missing

Oh right and the 2 trillion that went missing weeks before 9/11 from the pentagon. Now for a entity that should be good with business you would think that 2 trillion couldn't just fall off the pages of the books, unless the ones who accomplished it are on the books and have a very high salary.

Peace

doc111 said:

I've seen those videos and those aren't blast points, they are puffs of smoke pushing out because of the change in pressure inside the buildings (at least I think this is the same video). If it's not the one I'm thinking about could you post it up so I can see it please?

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dude if it was "air pressure" then the whole floor ow windows would blow out. Along with every other window as it falls. And what do you have to say about the multiple booms that FIREFIGHTERS heard as where fight the fire on the 83rd floor. The floor that plane hit the south tower. they were able to get up to the fire and start putting it out before the building started falling. And less then a minute after the first boom their where 3 more. And it couldn't have been fuel because of the GIGANTIC fire ball from the planes first hitting pretty much killed all the fuel.

Check out Loose Change 9/11 that's the one im talking about, he goes into every aspect that DEBUNKS the so called "official report"

doc111 said:

You are picking my position apart. There is nothing to pick apart. I studied it because it was a pivotal moment in U.S. history and I was a fireman who went there after the attacks. I studied it because a lot of claims started being made almost immediately afterwards. Come on! How the fuck would anybody have this kind of info? If this was an inside job then where are the people coming forward. It would've taken a small army to pull of a conspiracy of this magnitude. The official story is way more believable to me then all of the ridiculously convoluted conspiracies. I am skeptical to a fault and I kept an open mind for a long long time. My mind still is open but it's gonna take overwhelming evidence to change my mind at this point. Where is the overwhelming evidence? I've been waiting for 9 years for it and I have yet to see it. Every conspiracy allegation I have seen or heard has easily been debunked IMO. Maybe I'm just gullible or stupid. Look, I respect your opinion on the matter although I don't agree with it. We probably aren't ever going to agree with each other on this one and that's ok in my book. I can still respect you and not agree with you on this one thing. If you do find that smoking gun, that overhwleming evidence, please let me know. I promise to keep an open mind but it has to be evidence, not theory.

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i bet you don't have any hard evidence of you own ether. I don't take government information to be reliable, they cherry pick their info.

Scuba said:

dude if it was "air pressure" then the whole floor ow windows would blow out. Along with every other window as it falls. And what do you have to say about the multiple booms that FIREFIGHTERS heard as where fight the fire on the 83rd floor. The floor that plane hit the south tower. they were able to get up to the fire and start putting it out before the building started falling. And less then a minute after the first boom their where 3 more. And it couldn't have been fuel because of the GIGANTIC fire ball from the planes first hitting pretty much killed all the fuel.

Check out Loose Change 9/11 that's the one im talking about, he goes into every aspect that DEBUNKS the so called "official report"

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Believe what you want to. I am a retired firefighter who was actually there but what do I know? I've seen loose change. Chilling stuff. I don't buy most of it but again, what do I know? Please show me the video you are referring to and remember I have actually taken a college course on explosives at New Mexico Tech. I DO have some knowledge about these things.

Scuba said:

i bet you don't have any hard evidence of you own ether. I don't take government information to be reliable, they cherry pick their info.

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Where did I make a claim to ever have any hard evidence? I never said that the govt. has been 100% truthful. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? You all put words into my mouth without reading my entire post. I'm not an investigator. I've done my own research and I believe MOST of the official story over some of these conspiracy twits. Sorry, but only hard evidence will change my mind. What do you believe the real reason for the attacks is? How many of YOUR OPINIONS are actually yours? How many of them are the opinions of some conspiracy blogger? You see, I am a free thinker. I stand back and see 2 sides. One side says it was Al Qaeda, the other says it was the Jews or some shadow element of the New World Order. I'll repeat it once again since you obviously don't read entire posts; I have done research. At first glance there are some things that don't seem right. Remember, the world had never seen anything like the 9/11 attacks, yet you've got people saying "Buildings don't look like that when they are hit by jumbo jets." How the fuck does anyone know? It had never happened before this. Then you've got people saying "No steel frame skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire alone." Just because it has never happened doesn't mean it's not possible and these buildings didn't collapse from fire alone either. They were hit by jets going nearly 500 mph. If you took physics then you know that that is a lot of kinetic energy! I'm not gonna argue with you guys any more about this. I have my views, you have yours. Let's just agree to disagree. K?

Way to not answer my question 0.o. Oh and about kinetic energy........it should have just knocked the tower over, not collapsing in its fucking foot print, go back to college and take physics again.

doc111 said:

Where did I make a claim to ever have any hard evidence? I never said that the govt. has been 100% truthful. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

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So you don't have hard evidence? but you want us to show you hard evidence to prove that your incorrect? how fucking hypocritical of you.

Scuba said:

Way to not answer my question 0.o. Oh and about kinetic energy........it should have just knocked the tower over, not collapsing in its fucking foot print, go back to college and take physics again.

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HAAAA So fuckin funny. Wile E Coyote Scuba physics? HAAHAAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This stems from your vast knowledge of the physical world as you observed playing with your tinker-toys? I think I peed myself!! HAWWWWWW HAWWWWW

patlpp said:

HAAAA So fuckin funny. Wile E Coyote Scuba physics? HAAHAAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This stems from your vast knowledge of the physical world as you observed playing with your tinker-toys? I think I peed myself!! HAWWWWWW HAWWWWW

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And your so great because you have nothing to add to the conversation, other then throwing out an Ad homonym attack. Way to prove your a genius too. -.-

OK explain how kinetically, the building should have toppled over. Get as complex as you can. In your own words. Not cut-paste. Your understanding of the matter. Feel free to throw all the math at me also. Lets get it on.

Scuba said:

So you don't have hard evidence? but you want us to show you hard evidence to prove that your incorrect? how fucking hypocritical of you.

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I'm not really sure why you are suddenly attacking me????? You are the one making the claims, not me. I freely admit that I don't know whether this was conspiracy or not. My research has led me TO BELIEVE that MOST of the information being put forth by "the establishment" is true. Go back and read for yourself. I belive, IMO (In My Opinion) are things which I've qualified virtually every statement I've made. I'm not trying to get you to believe a thing. You have your opinion and I have mine. I thought we were having a rational discussion but you want to descend into slinging insults and name calling. I'm out!!!

patlpp said:

HAAAA So fuckin funny. Wile E Coyote Scuba physics? HAAHAAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This stems from your vast knowledge of the physical world as you observed playing with your tinker-toys? I think I peed myself!! HAWWWWWW HAWWWWW

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ROTFLMAO!!!!! I actually did pee a little. Ooooooooh!!!!! That is funny shit!

doc111 said:

I'm not really sure why you are sudden attacking m????? You are the one making the claims, not me. I freely admit that I don't know whether this was conspiracy or not. My research has led me TO BELIEVE that MOST of the information being put forth by "the establishment" is true. Go back and read for yourself. I belive, IMO (In My Opinion) are things which I've qualified virtually every statement I've made. I'm not trying to get you to believe a thing. You have your opinion and I have mine. I thought we were having a rational discussion but you want to descend into slinging insults and name calling. I'm out!!!

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im not attacking, im point out your hypocrisy. nothing else

Here you go. A little bit about Loose Change for ya.
http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2009/May/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html

Oh look, someone else in their basement made a video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561#

Greatest commentary on conspiracy theories.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4de_1251080059 part1

When the first part ends, click on part two to finish the show.

Good thing to know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

Here you go. A little bit about Loose Change for ya.
http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2009/May/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html

Oh look, someone else in their basement made a video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561#

Greatest commentary on conspiracy theories.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4de_1251080059 part1

When the first part ends, click on part two to finish the show.

Good thing to know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

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And yet we come back to the whole reason i posted this thread. MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND!!!!

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

Here you go. A little bit about Loose Change for ya.
http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2009/May/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html

Oh look, someone else in their basement made a video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561#

Greatest commentary on conspiracy theories.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4de_1251080059 part1

When the first part ends, click on part two to finish the show.

Good thing to know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

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I actually almost brought up Occam's razor. Good info my friend.

I think that the what, where, who and why of 9/11 is never going to be REALLY known.

Preventing it from happening again is what we should all be considering.

SouthernGanja said:

I think that the what, where, who and why of 9/11 is never going to be REALLY known.

Preventing it from happening again is what we should all be considering.

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That's pretty much my entire point.

Show me how a conspiracy makes more assumptions than the standard explanation. Both have inconsistencies throughout and the authors take some "creative liberty", but both are purely presumptive, that being said after having read most of the government info and weighing it against most of the alternate scenarios, the conspiracy that places 19 muslim(6 still live) activists in 4 different planes with box cutters is much more wildly and more unbelievable than a set of interests with unlimited access to capital, resources and people willing to do any job that is asked. Especially if these elite are already integral parts of the system.

You seem to assume that every person on earth isn't here to fuck you and make away with all you hope to retain; I, on the other hand, prefer caution to ignorance.

Occam's razor only works if a party knows all the available pertinent information, and isn't about the smallest and most concise explanation, it is the one that makes the least assumptions. Clearly in any real world situation Occams razor is a fallacious mode of argument.

Peace

Mr.KushMan said:

Show me how a conspiracy makes more assumptions than the standard explanation. Both have inconsistencies throughout and the authors take some "creative liberty", but both are purely presumptive, that being said after having read most of the government info and weighing it against most of the alternate scenarios, the conspiracy that places 19 muslim(6 still live) activists in 4 different planes with box cutters is much more wildly and more unbelievable than a set of interests with unlimited access to capital, resources and people willing to do any job that is asked. Especially if these elite are already integral parts of the system.

You seem to assume that every person on earth isn't here to fuck you and make away with all you hope to retain; I, on the other hand, prefer caution to ignorance.

Occam's razor only works if a party knows all the available pertinent information, and isn't about the smallest and most concise explanation, it is the one that makes the least assumptions. Clearly in any real world situation Occams razor is a fallacious mode of argument.

Peace

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I've never seen any proof of still living 9/11 hijackers, only wild claims. And where are the vast amount of people with no conscience whatsoever. I've never met any of them. You would think that at least 1 or 2 would come suddenly grow a conscience and come forward.

BBC covered the story!! "Only wild claims"!?! Just google a few keywords.

Isn't that the point, most the people involved are probably living in some beach estate on some tropical island with their family. I mean 2 trillion is 2000 billion or 2000000 million, you could pay off any number of people with that forever.

Assumptions are a funny thing, and money is even funnier.

Peace