box of wonders
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Underbelly.
Lol.
HeatlessBBQ
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how is that "box of wonders", Mike???
mikek420
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So far since I don't have an accurate scale I've just tried very tiny finger dips of a couple, the psylocibin analogues taste kinda like shrooms (bitter/sour) and feel a lot shroomy. I've emailed the good people at erowid, and have had a nice chat with someone there. I'll be submitting a lot of trip reports, and I just did yesterday (4aco det) under the name CallMeGhost I'll be using that name for all submissions. I wish in had a couple willing volunteers to try them too to increase the sample pool
mikek420
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I was going to say 2ce tasted a bit better than 4aco det, but after I swallow, the taste is lingering in my throat, its more bitter than the 4aco, so I've got a bitter flavor from my tongue to the back of my throat! 15 minutes or so in and I feel a bit spacey in the head
mikek420
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At approximately 8:45 "E" and I orally ingested about 5mg of 4aco det. After about 10-15 minutes we both noticed a slight tingly feeling, and I noticed we were both smiling really big (the feeling this one gives you is a really nice one, I felt empathic, but more so than on anything else I have tried to date) at the 15 minute mark, I asked if his two brothers were at their house next door so I could see if they wanted to try it as well. They never answered the door, so I smoked a joint, which seemed to amplify the trip slightly. After that joint, E and I took another 5 mg (+30-45) and so did E. We started watching TV (more of background noise since E and I have been friends for 10 years) and chit chatted for a while. We also drank 4 modelo especials, over the course of 5-6 hours (sipping them mainly, no hardcore chugging)
The conversation was mostly start and stop, he'd ask me a question and then 2-3 minutes later I would remember I was asked a question, answer it and ask him something. At 1 hour, I noticed the effects were not too strong, and we took 10 mg, which started to kick in about half an hour later.
We started noticing things about the characters on TV, and for some reason we both tended to "side" with a female character and wonder why the male character was acting the way he did. We saw a show "The Middle" and for some reason we both empathized with the parents (neither of us have children) but we felt their emotions, for me it seemed there were flashes of oily light, like if someone was happy, the light would be warm. If they were mad or upset, it would be cooler like a blue or bluish purple. I also noticed pinpricks of light in the walls and basically everything. Just imagine the night sky, but the stars are inside the house on the walls instead. E was smiling the whole time, and told me it made him feel really good. Really really good and happy. We tried to redose once more about 5 mg at around 2:30 am, and after about half an hour of the same buzz and no increase I decided to put everything away. Tolerance sets in really fast with 4acalcoholAfter all the redosing, we never got more than above a +2. Adding weed to the mix kicked it up a notch, if I had better weed it probably have kicked it up a lot more. The alcohol, at the slow rate of ingestion seemed to make the come up smooth and keep the buzz riding, I ended up not feeling "drunk" or waking with any kind of hangover (I do not drink very much at all) E is about my height but has more weight on him (muscle mass and some of the pudge Mexicans can be famous for lol) and his effects were very similar to mine.
My last mean before the trip was about 3 pm, and by the time I tripped I had an empty stomach. I felt no gastrointestinal distress as I did on my previous experiment with 4aco det.
E had just eaten some noodles or pasta, can't remember which, but he didn't have a completely empty stomach. Around 3-4 he had to take a couple trips to the bathroom, and complained about stomach problems. He did say that the stomach problems did not outweigh the effects, and he would like to try it again, as it made him feel really good.
Conclusion: 4aco det seems to be a very strong empathogen. I feel that part of the reason we redosed as much as we did, was because the empathy we felt was so strong and warm feeling.
Next Monday I will try 20 mg to see if a higher dose will have more visual effects or any noticeable difference
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Marijuana + 10x blue lotus extract + 10x passion flower extract + wild lettuce
A week or so ago, when I was running low on weed, I mixed in a goodly amount of p flower extract, blue lotus extract and wild lettuce. I had high hopes for the lotus, as I have tried it before, so when I mixed it all up and had the following experience, I was pleasantly surprised.
After smoking the entire blunt, I felt a really subtle non weed buzz, that slowly increased over 15 or so minutes until it peaked. During this time I began to see "running lights" of blue and red with open eyes, and hazy but slowly sharpening colors with open eyes. It seemed that the OEV were really strong closer to my face but if I looked more than a foot away they faded/got blurry. When I made it to my bed, I put my blanket over my head to try to sharpen the visuals. I noticed the CEV were the same as the OEV, but much sharper, and with the blanket on me, it made the OEV more 3D.
Now, the closest thing I can compare to this would be a very low level DMT trip, but it was not the same. The body high was amazing, no feeling of flying through hyperspace, no disorientation, but very vivid images. I saw landscapes, cars, buildings and people, and it seemed the visuals responded to my thoughts, but slowly. Example: I started seeing things that looked like cars, futuristic Batman like things, and I thought, this is nice but I don't like cars, show me something else. I started thinking I want to see people, and I thought it in a way that I wanted to change my cars into people (please stop showing me cars, that's not interesting to me) and I saw a woman's face very very slowly materialize out of a car, and then suddenly there were about a dozen "people" that I could see. These images were very vivid and oddly colored (people had yellow Simpsons skin, weird color hair, interacted with each other before fading and returning as a different shape. After about 45 minutes (15 minute come up +20 minute peak and about 10 minutes fading away) the visuals turned into little blue yellow and red stars and then slowly disappeared altogether.
This was surprising to me to see such vivid images, and a very pleasent high.
The conversation was mostly start and stop, he'd ask me a question and then 2-3 minutes later I would remember I was asked a question, answer it and ask him something. At 1 hour, I noticed the effects were not too strong, and we took 10 mg, which started to kick in about half an hour later.
We started noticing things about the characters on TV, and for some reason we both tended to "side" with a female character and wonder why the male character was acting the way he did. We saw a show "The Middle" and for some reason we both empathized with the parents (neither of us have children) but we felt their emotions, for me it seemed there were flashes of oily light, like if someone was happy, the light would be warm. If they were mad or upset, it would be cooler like a blue or bluish purple. I also noticed pinpricks of light in the walls and basically everything. Just imagine the night sky, but the stars are inside the house on the walls instead. E was smiling the whole time, and told me it made him feel really good. Really really good and happy. We tried to redose once more about 5 mg at around 2:30 am, and after about half an hour of the same buzz and no increase I decided to put everything away. Tolerance sets in really fast with 4acalcoholAfter all the redosing, we never got more than above a +2. Adding weed to the mix kicked it up a notch, if I had better weed it probably have kicked it up a lot more. The alcohol, at the slow rate of ingestion seemed to make the come up smooth and keep the buzz riding, I ended up not feeling "drunk" or waking with any kind of hangover (I do not drink very much at all) E is about my height but has more weight on him (muscle mass and some of the pudge Mexicans can be famous for lol) and his effects were very similar to mine.
My last mean before the trip was about 3 pm, and by the time I tripped I had an empty stomach. I felt no gastrointestinal distress as I did on my previous experiment with 4aco det.
E had just eaten some noodles or pasta, can't remember which, but he didn't have a completely empty stomach. Around 3-4 he had to take a couple trips to the bathroom, and complained about stomach problems. He did say that the stomach problems did not outweigh the effects, and he would like to try it again, as it made him feel really good.
Conclusion: 4aco det seems to be a very strong empathogen. I feel that part of the reason we redosed as much as we did, was because the empathy we felt was so strong and warm feeling.
Next Monday I will try 20 mg to see if a higher dose will have more visual effects or any noticeable difference
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Marijuana + 10x blue lotus extract + 10x passion flower extract + wild lettuce
A week or so ago, when I was running low on weed, I mixed in a goodly amount of p flower extract, blue lotus extract and wild lettuce. I had high hopes for the lotus, as I have tried it before, so when I mixed it all up and had the following experience, I was pleasantly surprised.
After smoking the entire blunt, I felt a really subtle non weed buzz, that slowly increased over 15 or so minutes until it peaked. During this time I began to see "running lights" of blue and red with open eyes, and hazy but slowly sharpening colors with open eyes. It seemed that the OEV were really strong closer to my face but if I looked more than a foot away they faded/got blurry. When I made it to my bed, I put my blanket over my head to try to sharpen the visuals. I noticed the CEV were the same as the OEV, but much sharper, and with the blanket on me, it made the OEV more 3D.
Now, the closest thing I can compare to this would be a very low level DMT trip, but it was not the same. The body high was amazing, no feeling of flying through hyperspace, no disorientation, but very vivid images. I saw landscapes, cars, buildings and people, and it seemed the visuals responded to my thoughts, but slowly. Example: I started seeing things that looked like cars, futuristic Batman like things, and I thought, this is nice but I don't like cars, show me something else. I started thinking I want to see people, and I thought it in a way that I wanted to change my cars into people (please stop showing me cars, that's not interesting to me) and I saw a woman's face very very slowly materialize out of a car, and then suddenly there were about a dozen "people" that I could see. These images were very vivid and oddly colored (people had yellow Simpsons skin, weird color hair, interacted with each other before fading and returning as a different shape. After about 45 minutes (15 minute come up +20 minute peak and about 10 minutes fading away) the visuals turned into little blue yellow and red stars and then slowly disappeared altogether.
This was surprising to me to see such vivid images, and a very pleasent high.
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mikek420
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The few times I've done 4aco det was super super empathetic. Like if i was watching TV, and saw something bad happen, I start crying. We watches "the man who killed usama bin laden, and I was crying cause it was so emotional, the guy left for that mission thinking he was specifically going to die. We watched "king of queens" and something happened and I was like oh my god that poor guy!! Watching friends, how can he do that to her??? Even though it was a funny show it hit me hard emotionally, I really really liked it. On my low dose tests it felt like I could read emotions in Sombra's face, even though he's a dog. I felt like I could talk to my mom ad infinitum, about anything. And my mom tends to disagree with me on everything. And she makes me redo everything (make your bed/ I just did./ well I just unmade it so make it up again) on 4aco det: make your bed./ OK mom will do sorry, I'll clean the floor too! That's been my feeling on it so far. I was walking Sombra, and met some really nice people, when normally I wouldn't trip and talk to strangers, and it was nice. We talked about the weather, dogs, how good it was outside and how pleasant the area was. Long conversation when tripping but it was comfortable to talk to them.
mikek420
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Wild lettuce is a lettuce that is supposed to be related to opium. Really relaxing feeling sometimes and I think it helps to induce dreams. I think it was the lettuce/ blue lotus that did it, I've smoked the p. Flower since then and it doesn't seem to do anything except make me feel calm and mellow.
I would love to try again with more blue lotus but I'm out! The visuals almost reminded me of if I was looking at a computer monitor, but instead of being plastic and metal, it was a black chalkboard and colored chalk
I would love to try again with more blue lotus but I'm out! The visuals almost reminded me of if I was looking at a computer monitor, but instead of being plastic and metal, it was a black chalkboard and colored chalk
HeatlessBBQ
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allyescaline??? YOu are tripping right now?? hahahaha nice!!!
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HeatlessBBQ
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You are really making Me want to try this combo.