Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is
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morgentaler
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So you believe in the literal Adam and Eve?
How did they happen to end up with the same endogenous retrovirus as some primates?
Do you also believe in the talking snake and unicorns?
And Jesus rode a velociraptor?
morgentaler
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I find it highly amusing that many of the religious who think atheists are wrong will ask all kinds of questions expecting us to answer them, but pose questions to them and they'll just avoid them.
Babs34
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No, no......and no.
Babs34
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....and so there, take that, LOL.
More amusing is the notion that athiests are more intelligent "creatures."
An athiest will spend MUCH more time defying probablility with argument rather than looking within.
Please don't ask for an elaboration.
Brazko
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That's their Handicap, atleast the way I've come to identify it, Just Numb......and so there, take that, LOL.
More amusing is the notion that athiests are more intelligent "creatures."
An athiest will spend MUCH more time defying probablility with argument rather than looking within.
Please don't ask for an elaboration.
But in all fairness, The Religious Handicap is Logic and Reason.., They say all they need is Faith, but the Faith still resides in their God given Ability to use Logic and REason, Have Faith in It
Man, I'm so Happy , bout to Light up for the first time in 4 days and 5 nights, it's been an eternity, but well Worth It
morgentaler
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So if you believe Adam and Eve aren't real, and neither is the talking snake, why would you believe that God, whose only evidence is that same book, is real?
Juan Abongheet
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Isn't it safe to say that what we have here is a "revealed religion" meaning that God spoke to a man and that man revealed what God said to him and him only to others... Thus we have faith in the man, not God because God didn't speak to us all, only the one man.
I am a deist- if you believe in God as I do then you believe God exists, but not that one man or even men have the right idea- only how you come to God and what he/she says to you is relevant, not what the 'book' says...
I am a deist- if you believe in God as I do then you believe God exists, but not that one man or even men have the right idea- only how you come to God and what he/she says to you is relevant, not what the 'book' says...
anhedonia
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Does this make any sense?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9BBy3aidRE Its a fun video none the less.
IAm5toned
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entertaining, but yet just another attempt to rationalize humanity's intellegence and self awareness.
heres my take-
brain = hardware
self awareness/intellegence, whatever you want to call it = software
one cannot exist without the other. its like ying and yang.
all biological creatures must be self aware, to some point or the other, some more than most. a man would be more self aware than a mouse, his intellegence proves it. but the mouse still eats when its hungry, still recoils from pain, and still solves relatively complex problems, still recalls memories and acts on them.
you could say that the man has a better hard drive, and a faster processor in his brain than the mouse, so to speak, so he is capable of much higher functions than the mouse, at a much faster rate.
but just because man has these things does not make him superior to any other creature in self awareness, it just makes him more capable, more efficient. the man doesnt have to spend his every waking moment of his entire life searching for food or defending territory, because he uses his advanced intellegence to do these things with relative ease, freeing up time to think, to reflect upon his actions on his immediate environment. this in turn leads to more efficient behavior, which leads to more time to think, which leads to more efficient behavior....its a cylcle that never ends in a normally functioning human being. its why you get smarter as you age... things that didnt make sense when you were a youth become clear as an adult.
its like comparing your desktop pc (the mouse) to a craig supercomputer (the man). they still perform the same functions, operate on the same principals but the supercomputer will beat the pc each and every single time.. because it is more efficient in its operation by a few orders of magnitude. but they both still need software and hardware to operate. so do the brains of man and the mouse, ones just quicker than the other.. we (humans) can formulate and process a thought in microseconds that would take the poor mouse's tiny brain a lifetime to even consider to begin to develop the complex thought patterns we humans take for granted.
heres my take-
brain = hardware
self awareness/intellegence, whatever you want to call it = software
one cannot exist without the other. its like ying and yang.
all biological creatures must be self aware, to some point or the other, some more than most. a man would be more self aware than a mouse, his intellegence proves it. but the mouse still eats when its hungry, still recoils from pain, and still solves relatively complex problems, still recalls memories and acts on them.
you could say that the man has a better hard drive, and a faster processor in his brain than the mouse, so to speak, so he is capable of much higher functions than the mouse, at a much faster rate.
but just because man has these things does not make him superior to any other creature in self awareness, it just makes him more capable, more efficient. the man doesnt have to spend his every waking moment of his entire life searching for food or defending territory, because he uses his advanced intellegence to do these things with relative ease, freeing up time to think, to reflect upon his actions on his immediate environment. this in turn leads to more efficient behavior, which leads to more time to think, which leads to more efficient behavior....its a cylcle that never ends in a normally functioning human being. its why you get smarter as you age... things that didnt make sense when you were a youth become clear as an adult.
its like comparing your desktop pc (the mouse) to a craig supercomputer (the man). they still perform the same functions, operate on the same principals but the supercomputer will beat the pc each and every single time.. because it is more efficient in its operation by a few orders of magnitude. but they both still need software and hardware to operate. so do the brains of man and the mouse, ones just quicker than the other.. we (humans) can formulate and process a thought in microseconds that would take the poor mouse's tiny brain a lifetime to even consider to begin to develop the complex thought patterns we humans take for granted.
krustofskie
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I still want to know whats supposed to be happening in London??????
IAm5toned
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me too.
a former coworker of mine was from london... and during the recent presidential election was quick to point out to anybody with a set of ears how if obama was elected every major city in america will undergo the fate of london. when asked what the coworker meant by that statement, all she could say was that london is just terrible these days.
i took it to mean that she has never seen a major us city.
a former coworker of mine was from london... and during the recent presidential election was quick to point out to anybody with a set of ears how if obama was elected every major city in america will undergo the fate of london. when asked what the coworker meant by that statement, all she could say was that london is just terrible these days.
i took it to mean that she has never seen a major us city.
OregonMeds
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If you think you hear god talking back you
you need to know that hearing voices of any kind is not normal and no laughing matter. That's a real genuine serious mental problem and you need to seek help immediately.
Moses had the same problem but they didn't understand schitzophrenia back then.
Go read about it some more:
http://ehealthforum.com/health/topic42970.html
Sure Shot
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This is a little personal but, I shit you not.
Several weeks ago my brother had what I'll call, an episode.
He attacked my neighbor and nearly stabbed him with a shower towel rod that broke off during their scuffle.
Had I not shown up in time it would have ended badly.
After I took the rod from him, I asked why he was attacking our neighbor + friend.
He said that God told him to confront him!
I was so shocked that my own brother had said that.
I looked straight at him to see if he was lying, and I'm pretty good at that.
He did not look like the same person I know and love.
His face was pale and his eyes had a peculiar unfocused look to them.
But, I could tell that he absolutely believed what he was saying!
I just wish he knew that the voices in his head are of his own manifestation.
You know I find it kinda ironic that the only place I have to talk to intellectuals is on a cannabis forum.
All of this happened shortly after my brother stopped smoking weed.
And I remember him once trying to spark a conversation about the link between Schizophrenia and cannabis use.
He didn't tell me he was hearing voices himself.
But looking back I'm positive he was hearing voices for at least a few weeks before the incident mention above.
That's why he all the sudden stopped smoking, and was researching a possible cause.
I just wish he didn't come to the conclusion that it was a fucking deity.
Several weeks ago my brother had what I'll call, an episode.
He attacked my neighbor and nearly stabbed him with a shower towel rod that broke off during their scuffle.
Had I not shown up in time it would have ended badly.
After I took the rod from him, I asked why he was attacking our neighbor + friend.
He said that God told him to confront him!
I was so shocked that my own brother had said that.
I looked straight at him to see if he was lying, and I'm pretty good at that.
He did not look like the same person I know and love.
His face was pale and his eyes had a peculiar unfocused look to them.
But, I could tell that he absolutely believed what he was saying!
I just wish he knew that the voices in his head are of his own manifestation.
You know I find it kinda ironic that the only place I have to talk to intellectuals is on a cannabis forum.
All of this happened shortly after my brother stopped smoking weed.
And I remember him once trying to spark a conversation about the link between Schizophrenia and cannabis use.
He didn't tell me he was hearing voices himself.
But looking back I'm positive he was hearing voices for at least a few weeks before the incident mention above.
That's why he all the sudden stopped smoking, and was researching a possible cause.
I just wish he didn't come to the conclusion that it was a fucking deity.
CrackerJax
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I'm sorry to hear of ur situation SS...
I'm glad you were there for him. He needs help and some guidance, but I realize that must be a difficult situation for him, and YOU.
I'm glad you were there for him. He needs help and some guidance, but I realize that must be a difficult situation for him, and YOU.
OregonMeds
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Damn that had to be heartbreaking...
Did your brother do more drugs than just weed?
No there is no relationship between smoking weed and schitzophrenia, other than maybe weed kept him calm enough to rationalize the voices in his head before acting on them or kept him busy by being stuck to the couch.
Damn, I'm sorry to say he will probably never be the same if other drugs weren't the cause. Might as well face that fact now.
There are meds that can control it but they are so strong he won't quite be what he used to be and with such other side effects he may simply flat refuse them.
I hope he did do a lot of other drugs like meth, if he did time will turn him around if he stays sober. My cousin became a meth addict for a while and completely lost it and was loony as can be. In just months after he quit he was right back to normal acting and then a year later fully normal feeling as in normal emotions and able to handle stresses of normal life like work situations and lifes other stresses.
Talk to him and see if you can find out more about how long he's heard voices... Maybe weed is the solution if it managed to hide his symptoms for years after he started to hear them. He will always probably hear them, but weed may actually be enough to calm him and keep him from acting on it. You need to know for sure about other drugs. You need to search where he lives not take his word for anything. Search every inch... Look for everything not just drugs and see what you can learn. Check his computer, look for browser history. You can even see the dates in the history when he started to look up his problems... ( and for Internet drugs, etc...)
By searching you may learn shitloads he would never want to tell you.
Did your brother do more drugs than just weed?
No there is no relationship between smoking weed and schitzophrenia, other than maybe weed kept him calm enough to rationalize the voices in his head before acting on them or kept him busy by being stuck to the couch.
Damn, I'm sorry to say he will probably never be the same if other drugs weren't the cause. Might as well face that fact now.
There are meds that can control it but they are so strong he won't quite be what he used to be and with such other side effects he may simply flat refuse them.
I hope he did do a lot of other drugs like meth, if he did time will turn him around if he stays sober. My cousin became a meth addict for a while and completely lost it and was loony as can be. In just months after he quit he was right back to normal acting and then a year later fully normal feeling as in normal emotions and able to handle stresses of normal life like work situations and lifes other stresses.
Talk to him and see if you can find out more about how long he's heard voices... Maybe weed is the solution if it managed to hide his symptoms for years after he started to hear them. He will always probably hear them, but weed may actually be enough to calm him and keep him from acting on it. You need to know for sure about other drugs. You need to search where he lives not take his word for anything. Search every inch... Look for everything not just drugs and see what you can learn. Check his computer, look for browser history. You can even see the dates in the history when he started to look up his problems... ( and for Internet drugs, etc...)
By searching you may learn shitloads he would never want to tell you.
morgentaler
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It's just the manifestation.
His voice is coming from within, and there's not a lot of options in that regard.
If it was coming from the TV it could be David Caruso talking to him with every tilt of his sunglasses.
Is he being checked out?
His voice is coming from within, and there's not a lot of options in that regard.
If it was coming from the TV it could be David Caruso talking to him with every tilt of his sunglasses.
Is he being checked out?
morgentaler
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Actually, there are:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19640690?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
You can scan PubMed and find various issues about schizophrenia and depression.
That's not to say it will cause both, but there's evidence that it interacts with the underlying condition.
Babs34
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a former coworker of mine was from london... and during the recent presidential election was quick to point out to anybody with a set of ears how if obama was elected every major city in america will undergo the fate of london. when asked what the coworker meant by that statement, all she could say was that london is just terrible these days.
i took it to mean that she has never seen a major us city.
I'm thinking she meant something more along these lines.
I can't even imagine tolerating this islamic chanting 5 times a day. It's a sad day in America when you feel forced to move from a mini version of Saudi Arabia in your own "USA" hometown.
Babs34
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to ignore you.
Truth be known, my insides literally churn every time I think upon this topic..all of it.
This only begins to scratch the surface.
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