Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Thanks a lot for the info guys! I've been looking into this stuff for not only my indoor garden, but I also have around an acre of land that I want to farm some veggies and such on, but the dirt is really bad. Hard clay and totally depleted, nasty stuff. I think I might get both to use for my indoor garden and the veggie plot. I guess we'll see how these preform on a larger scale outdoors.

edit: by 'both' I mean the VAM and the Azos.

upthearsenal said:

Thanks a lot for the info guys! I've been looking into this stuff for not only my indoor garden, but I also have around an acre of land that I want to farm some veggies and such on, but the dirt is really bad. Hard clay and totally depleted, nasty stuff. I think I might get both to use for my indoor garden and the veggie plot. I guess we'll see how these preform on a larger scale outdoors.

edit: by 'both' I mean the VAM and the Azos.

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You'll have a lot of work ahead of you making that clay soil suitable for gardening. It can be done for sure, but it takes a lot of amending (A LOT) and the time for the amendments to work. It will take a couple of years to get it where you want and need it to be. You can grow in it right away after you break it up and mix everything in but it won't be ideal for some time.

Oh yeah man, I know. I like the challenge though, I feel this time next year it'll be getting near ideal. I plan on growing things this year that will improve the soil, I first plan on planting alfalfa after the soil is well amended and these bennies will help drastically with making it all bio-available, either way, this should be fun.

upthearsenal said:

Oh yeah man, I know. I like the challenge though, I feel this time next year it'll be getting near ideal. I plan on growing things this year that will improve the soil, I first plan on planting alfalfa after the soil is well amended and these bennies will help drastically with making it all bio-available, either way, this should be fun.

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I had to do the same thing for our veggy garden, our soil is mostly clay and it took about three years with lots of compost, peat, sand and all of my spent indoor soil. It's pretty good now but still needs some work.

upthearsenal said:

Oh yeah man, I know. I like the challenge though, I feel this time next year it'll be getting near ideal. I plan on growing things this year that will improve the soil, I first plan on planting alfalfa after the soil is well amended and these bennies will help drastically with making it all bio-available, either way, this should be fun.

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Lots of compost, and mulch. Maybe even a little horticultural charcoal. Pumice too if you have flood issues.

Flood issues, yes. Would have never thought about that... I'm getting compost from a company here, they have different varieties and list the contents explicitly, which is really cool. Thanks for the suggestions.

Wolverine, three years? that sounds crazy, I had to do the same with my yard and it took about a year and half, obviously different soils and other variables but three years is a lot for me.

Anyone have any opinions on this stuff:
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemMatrix.asp?GroupCode=NEGAAZHO00&MatrixType=1

it's cheap, and so am I (plus the description sounds good as well).

upthearsenal said:

Flood issues, yes. Would have never thought about that... I'm getting compost from a company here, they have different varieties and list the contents explicitly, which is really cool. Thanks for the suggestions.

Wolverine, three years? that sounds crazy, I had to do the same with my yard and it took about a year and half, obviously different soils and other variables but three years is a lot for me.

Anyone have any opinions on this stuff:
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemMatrix.asp?GroupCode=NEGAAZHO00&MatrixType=1

it's cheap, and so am I (plus the description sounds good as well).

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I'm sure the ZHO is a decent product. But it's $100/lb. The BioAg is half that price.

upthearsenal said:

Flood issues, yes. Would have never thought about that... I'm getting compost from a company here, they have different varieties and list the contents explicitly, which is really cool. Thanks for the suggestions.

Wolverine, three years? that sounds crazy, I had to do the same with my yard and it took about a year and half, obviously different soils and other variables but three years is a lot for me.

Anyone have any opinions on this stuff:
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemMatrix.asp?GroupCode=NEGAAZHO00&MatrixType=1

it's cheap, and so am I (plus the description sounds good as well).

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Well, three years is to get it to an ideal consistency. It take time to break up clay soil.

i have been using the mykos wp along with a product called biota max. the results have been nothing less then gorgeous. the mykos wp has the mykos while the biota has the beneficial bacteria and lots of trichoderma. its a happy marriage

So... ya.... I did what you guys told me and upped the nutrients.... Everything is fixing itself.... Go ahead, you can do it, go ahead and say I told you so... lol. In my last feeding I gave my ailing Grand Daddy Purps 5ml Vega, 5ml Flores, 5ml CaMg+ and 15ml BioBoost. I also had a spider infestation trying to take over and after dealing with that and upping my nutrients. The plant is responding well and starting to turn much greener. The leaves coloring is filling back in and it is starting to turn purple like crazy. Crisis averted.... for now.... Thank you guys for helping me out and getting me back on track.

Right on Nightbird, what stage is that gdp in?

NightbirdX said:

So... ya.... I did what you guys told me and upped the nutrients.... Everything is fixing itself.... Go ahead, you can do it, go ahead and say I told you so... lol. In my last feeding I gave my ailing Grand Daddy Purps 5ml Vega, 5ml Flores, 5ml CaMg+ and 15ml BioBoost. I also had a spider infestation trying to take over and after dealing with that and upping my nutrients. The plant is responding well and starting to turn much greener. The leaves coloring is filling back in and it is starting to turn purple like crazy. Crisis averted.... for now.... Thank you guys for helping me out and getting me back on track.

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*clears throat* ... "Told you so"...

Its on its 4th week of Flowering. I had a side by side comparison going with my Fox Farms line. The Fox Farms is a bit bigger right now and has been doing well, no problems with it. I think the deficiencies had a lot to do with the problems I have had in the last week or two. My BioCanna GDP is a bit smaller, but has a lot more purple and smells a lot better. Regardless if the BioCanna GDP would be 20% smaller than the Fox Farms, I think that will be compounded in the end from the problems I had. The quality is looking nice though. It is crazy how a plant can do that purple to dark green illusion thing depending on how the light is hitting it. If the pistils start to redden up early in flower, is that a sign of borderline high nutrient levels? When I dosed them the other day, the color and vigor picked up, but the pistils started turning reddish brown and curling in a bit.

I gave my Sour OG's another dose of 5ml Vega, 2.5ml Rhizo, 2.5ml Cannazyme. There is some purpling on the stems and they seem stressed. I don't know why, they are sitting under a light in a perfect temp room. They are growing faster and faster though. They are about 6" tall at about 2 weeks. I gave them Nitrozyme and CaMg last week. They didn't seem to like it much. There was leaf canoeing and that is when the purpling started. This is pretty much the reason I'm doing the Nitrozyme as a foliar. Not sure if they just didn't get enough food or what, but after I fed them the other day, they seemed to perk up a bit and start growing better.

I think I was just trying to focus too much on supplemental nutrients and not giving them enough food. Even if you eat all of the vitamins in the world, they aren't going to do you good at all unless you have a good diet. I'm just going to add supplements when I see that they need it, and do Nitrozyme as a foliar opposite of my Neem oil schedule.

Nitrozyme apparently is good for killing bugs too. My buddy had a bug problem and was doing different foliar rotations to keep a hostile environment. He would do Nitrozyme, water, and then Neem Oil in rotation about every 2 days. He saw a few mites when spraying with Nitrozyme and sprayed them. When he was done, he looked at the spot he saw them at, and they were curled up and dead. This is probably not an effective pest control solution, but definitely good for making life tough for the free loaders.

Just a few things i have learned so far.....running 2 vegan grows one personal and one at the dispencary where i work....
GO cal/mg is weak....some strains happily eat 3tsp per gallon, headband, deathstar and la kush cant seem to get enough.
Adjusting PH, i dont bother for my personal grow(ro water) but at the dispencary we have really hard water and it is mandatory.
Local hydro shop brews compost tea twice a week....makes it simple
Soil Secrets makes a soil innoculant, 900000 spores per pound of Glomus intraradices (not propagules), and the owner of the company was stoked to hear his product is being used to grow medical cannabis!
BioBoost at 16ml per gallon really wakes up the ladies.....
here are a few pics from my headstash grow day 29

headband and katsu bubba kush

ecsd, sweet afghani, ghost OG etc...

ecsd

chemdog 91 S1

sweet afghani (colorado cut)

EFF YEAH SUMMITOKER!!!!

Check out this weeks Cannabis Cuts with Deejay Wiid. They smoke my herb and hash on the show and get all high...
http://podcasts.piratecatradiocafe.org/CannabisCuts/CannabisCuts-20110503.mp3

summitoker said:

Just a few things i have learned so far.....running 2 vegan grows one personal and one at the dispencary where i work....
GO cal/mg is weak....some strains happily eat 3tsp per gallon, headband, deathstar and la kush cant seem to get enough.
Adjusting PH, i dont bother for my personal grow(ro water) but at the dispencary we have really hard water and it is mandatory.
Local hydro shop brews compost tea twice a week....makes it simple
Soil Secrets makes a soil innoculant, 900000 spores per pound of Glomus intraradices (not propagules), and the owner of the company was stoked to hear his product is being used to grow medical cannabis!
BioBoost at 16ml per gallon really wakes up the ladies.....

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glad i'm not the only one thinking CaMg was a bit weak.....switched to Botanicare Calplex+Huvega and so far so good but it seems like
i will be going thru those bottles pretty quick.

how often and how much of CaMg were you using summitoker?

Should I worry about the GO CaMg+ raising my ppm a whole lot? I've been adding in 1-2 tsp/gal every other feeding and was thinking that they need more.

Hey nightbirdx i have been reading a lot of your posts. The best advice i can give is take your ppm meter and smash it with a hammer. Its hard to forget all the hydro nonsense when we have been conditioned over all these years to think growing plants is some exact science. It sounds to me like your ladies are heavy nitrogen feeders. Try and get a bottle of natures nectar nitrogen if not give a full strength vega feeding. Ppm meters wont pick up a real number with what we are doing. I feed 2 tsp a gallon of cal mag all the time some like 3. Around week 4 some ladies want extra nitrogen they get 10 ml flower and 6 ml veg per gallon. Throw out the books and give the ladies what they want not some prefabbed schedule.

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Strawberry Cough in a vegan-only amended soil mix (promix base), not quite "water only" yet. Although I'm getting close, this time it was just one feeding at 10 days of 12/12 and another at 5wks.

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some vegan RP Headband.

summitoker said:

Hey nightbirdx i have been reading a lot of your posts. The best advice i can give is take your ppm meter and smash it with a hammer. Its hard to forget all the hydro nonsense when we have been conditioned over all these years to think growing plants is some exact science. It sounds to me like your ladies are heavy nitrogen feeders. Try and get a bottle of natures nectar nitrogen if not give a full strength vega feeding. Ppm meters wont pick up a real number with what we are doing. I feed 2 tsp a gallon of cal mag all the time some like 3. Around week 4 some ladies want extra nitrogen they get 10 ml flower and 6 ml veg per gallon. Throw out the books and give the ladies what they want not some prefabbed schedule.

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\ keep running into ppl saying the same when doing organics- so what rules do you follow if any?
i'm ready to ditch my meter, got rid of ph one already, just not quite understanding how to go about feeding schedule.....
like, if i follow the manufacturer's instructions say GO, and it says 10ml per gl then should i ever go more than that?if so when?
and then if you take into account the other supps, micros, etc which add up the ppms then should i worry about being too much?
should i alternate between feed with basic macros and other micros+supps?

i'm still locked to the ppm meter and not sure what to do....