Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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MalcolmMustang said:
On my first Veganic Grow right now.
running Bio Canna Kyle Kushman style.
This thread is full of great info. Thank you for all your contributions Matt Rize. Are you still using BioCanna? Is a flush needed or should I just discontinue nutes for the last couple weeks?
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Yep, still using the BioCanna. I'm about to be testing Kushman's new line of nutes. Thanks for the feedback.
I do not add nutrients for the last two weeks, but I do give the plants a little natural sweetener (agave syrup, unrefined sugar, or brown sugar)
 
CaliWorthington

CaliWorthington

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I was just reading about sprouting beans, grain seeds, etc... and I came across this.

"You can use the sprout runoff water, it has nutrients."
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I wonder if this could be a source of live enzymes or other nutrients for plants... or not. I think I'll test the ppm and pH of some sprout runoff water, and if it seems OK, water with it. Might not do anything, but who knows?
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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Try the water from some alfalfa sprouts. I know that as a green manure they produce a hormone that assists with root development. Could be active in the run off water as well.

Cheers
 
MalcolmMustang

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Do you guys feed on every watering? Right now I am on week 2 giving my plants 7ml Vega 8ml Flores 2ml Flavorful 5ml Humboldt Honey and White widow with Hygrozyme. Adding Humboldt Bloom next week. I also have some Structural Integrity from Humboldt nutrients which is a silica. Should I use the silica in my newly formed veganic garden? I used to use chem ferts and I used the Silica with them but I don't know whether or not it will hurt my benefecial microbes now that Im organic. What is the benefits of using the silica? I heard it protects against root disease but I have never had a problem with that, anyone seen better results through using silica? I have not noticed a difference with it so I have not been using it so far.
 
jray2469

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Sorry not trying to jack this tread but why not make your own instead?

Humic substances are formed by the microbial degradation of dead plant matter, such as lignin. They are very resistant to further biodegradation. The precise properties and structure of a given sample depend on the water or soil source and the specific conditions of extraction. Nevertheless, the average properties of humic substances from different sources are remarkably similar.Humic substances in soils and sediments can be divided into three main fractions: humic acids, fulvic acids, and humin. The humic and fulvic acids are extracted as a colloidal sol from soil and other solid phase sources into a strongly basic aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide. Humic acids are precipitated from this solution by adjusting the pH to 1 with hydrochloric acid, leaving the fulvic acids in solution. This is the operational distinction between humic and fulvic acids. Humin is insoluble in dilute alkali. The alcohol-soluble portion of the humic fraction is, in general, named ulmic acid. Gray humic acids (GHA) are soluble in low-ionic-strength alkaline media; brown humic acids (BHA) are soluble in alkaline conditions independent of ionic strength; and fulvic acids (FA) are soluble independent of pH and I.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Chromatography and liquid-liquid extraction can be used to separate the components that make up a humic substance. Substances identified include mono-, di-, and tri-hydroxy acids, fatty acids,dicarboxylic acids, linear alcohols, phenolic acids, and terpenoids
Wouldn't it make sense to add Flavored jello to the tea above and get flavor and vigor dense buds? Adding the fattie <jello> part would help heal the root tips burnt off by the low dose of alcohol, which acts as a distressing agent for the plant and secondarily, promote root tips splitting off and strengthening the bulb? I have used this for many grows and gotta say it works. Just around the edge of the bucket RIGHT. trying not to get it on the main root bulb, like 24 oz to a five gallon bucket? pics are proof and how much do you spend on their nutes per year? sorry
 

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jray2469

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jray2469 said:
Sorry not trying to jack this tread but why not make your own instead?

Humic substances are formed by the microbial degradation of dead plant matter, such as lignin. They are very resistant to further biodegradation. The precise properties and structure of a given sample depend on the water or soil source and the specific conditions of extraction. Nevertheless, the average properties of humic substances from different sources are remarkably similar.Humic substances in soils and sediments can be divided into three main fractions: humic acids, fulvic acids, and humin. The humic and fulvic acids are extracted as a colloidal sol from soil and other solid phase sources into a strongly basic aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide. Humic acids are precipitated from this solution by adjusting the pH to 1 with hydrochloric acid, leaving the fulvic acids in solution. This is the operational distinction between humic and fulvic acids. Humin is insoluble in dilute alkali. The alcohol-soluble portion of the humic fraction is, in general, named ulmic acid. Gray humic acids (GHA) are soluble in low-ionic-strength alkaline media; brown humic acids (BHA) are soluble in alkaline conditions independent of ionic strength; and fulvic acids (FA) are soluble independent of pH and I.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Chromatography and liquid-liquid extraction can be used to separate the components that make up a humic substance. Substances identified include mono-, di-, and tri-hydroxy acids, fatty acids,dicarboxylic acids, linear alcohols, phenolic acids, and terpenoids
Wouldn't it make sense to add Flavored jello to the tea above and get flavor and vigor dense buds? Adding the fattie <jello> part would help heal the root tips burnt off by the low dose of alcohol, which acts as a distressing agent for the plant and secondarily, promote root tips splitting off and strengthening the bulb? I have used this for many grows and gotta say it works. Just around the edge of the bucket RIGHT. trying not to get it on the main root bulb, like 24 oz to a five gallon bucket? pics are proof of some 5 footers, due to space issues, time stamped as well,how much do you spend on their nutes per year? I even reuse my foxfarm soil by adding vermiculite to it and flashing the soil with hot water> shocker huh! Ended up with a sweet tooth bush bigger than a 55 gal drum. lucky? naaa just common sense and years of fVCkln up.lol
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MalcolmMustang

MalcolmMustang

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Matt Rize said:
Yep, still using the BioCanna. I'm about to be testing Kushman's new line of nutes. Thanks for the feedback.
I do not add nutrients for the last two weeks, but I do give the plants a little natural sweetener (agave syrup, unrefined sugar, or brown sugar)
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Sup Matt I have another question for ya. I just purchased some Humboldt Nutrients Bloom 0-10-0 and it seems to have a slight smell to it. Almost like the rotten peach smell of Prozyme or Hygrozyme. Also, there are little white specks floating on the surface of the nutes. Im about to feed with this stuff tomorrow.

Tried calling Humboldt to ask them and I got no reply so I figured I would ask you. Is the smell normal, are the white specks normal? There is no expiration date on the bottle.

Will adding Silicon hurt my mycorrhizae and organics? I have some structural integrity from HN that I don't know if I should use or not.

Your help is 100% appreciated and I value your opinion a lot. Your are one of the few people that I trust taking advice from.
 
Matt Rize

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MalcolmMustang said:
Sup Matt I have another question for ya. I just purchased some Humboldt Nutrients Bloom 0-10-0 and it seems to have a slight smell to it. Almost like the rotten peach smell of Prozyme or Hygrozyme. Also, there are little white specks floating on the surface of the nutes. Im about to feed with this stuff tomorrow.

Tried calling Humboldt to ask them and I got no reply so I figured I would ask you. Is the smell normal, are the white specks normal? There is no expiration date on the bottle.

Will adding Silicon hurt my mycorrhizae and organics? I have some structural integrity from HN that I don't know if I should use or not.

Your help is 100% appreciated and I value your opinion a lot. Your are one of the few people that I trust taking advice from.
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Im not sure about the white specks, but that is probably the Calcium (10% in the formula).

Silica is all good, and won't hurt your plants. All nutes have Silica already as its a crucial element for plants. But imo Biocanna needs more.
 
Bird Gymnastics

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Matt Rize said:
Im not sure about the white specks, but that is probably the Calcium (10% in the formula).

Silica is all good, and won't hurt your plants. All nutes have Silica already as its a crucial element for plants. But imo Biocanna needs more.
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What silica have you found to work best in conjunction with biocanna? I currently have samples of silica blast so I was gonna probably give that a go.
 
StickEnugzz

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Hello Matt, along those same lines...I add Aloe(3oz/gl) when I make my Alfalfa Teas. Do you feel this is a good source of Silica? If not would you point me towards something that is. The Aloe I use is a pure leaf extract from the health food store.








Saw above post after posting...thx
 
Matt Rize

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StickEnugzz said:
Hello Matt, along those same lines...I add Aloe(3oz/gl) when I make my Alfalfa Teas. Do you feel this is a good source of Silica? If not would you point me towards something that is. The Aloe I use is a pure leaf extract from the health food store.
Saw above post after posting...thx
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Aloe, good stuff man. If you search this thread for aloe there is for sure some good info on it.
 
MalcolmMustang

MalcolmMustang

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Thanks I appreciate the help. A couple of my plants were showing beginning signs of phos def. So I fed them with the HN Bloom tonight. I went with 2ml/gl on top of the Biocanna 3/4 strength. My last biocanna feeding was full strength and they seemed to love it but I didnt want to risk burning them. I have been feeding every watering at 14ml/gallon. Anyone else feeding every watering? I am not used to that, Im used to chem ferts.

My question is. How much of the HN Bloom do you recommend adding at the beginning of week three? Should I throw it in every time?
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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MalcolmMustang said:
Thanks I appreciate the help. A couple of my plants were showing beginning signs of phos def. So I fed them with the HN Bloom tonight. I went with 2ml/gl on top of the Biocanna 3/4 strength. My last biocanna feeding was full strength and they seemed to love it but I didnt want to risk burning them. I have been feeding every watering at 14ml/gallon. Anyone else feeding every watering? I am not used to that, Im used to chem ferts.

My question is. How much of the HN Bloom do you recommend adding at the beginning of week three? Should I throw it in every time?
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dont worry about burning, the biocanna is weak. go hard with it. I am also feeding every watering.
 
MalcolmMustang

MalcolmMustang

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Ok thanks. How much lime are you adding to your FF/happy frog soil? what other amendments are you using besides the neemcake and EWC?
 
Matt Rize

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MalcolmMustang said:
Ok thanks. How much lime are you adding to your FF/happy frog soil? what other amendments are you using besides the neemcake and EWC?
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uhhh. how did you know that I just switched to FF/happy frog? Did I write that here? Are you the guy from the grow store? ;)

But seriously, I just ran out of the soil mix I've been using for over a year so I have to make a new blend. My former mix is posted many times on this thread. When I make my new mix (probably today) I'll post what I decided to use. Mostly: kelp meal, alfalfa meal, neem cake, EWC, dolomite lime, horticultural charcoal and grade 4 perlite.
 
MalcolmMustang

MalcolmMustang

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U mentioned it a few pages back. Is your ph staying in check with your FF/Happy frog mix or are you adding lime? I have had problems with it dropping towards the end of flower. ( too much humic?)
 
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