War

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member
Come on,We are not naive and prior to invasion Ukraine has problems w/corruption,however the invasion has been a stunning lesson in brutality that I didn't think the Russian military would resort to against a people who are almost kin to them, seeing so many innocent civilians killed or living in basements,so many elderly is tragic. I don't hate Russia,never have,always respected them and was never comfortable w/NATO expanding as much as it has. Basically it's Putin's war and some combatants inevitably cross the line and commit war crimes,most Russian soldiers heart is not into this as intercepted calls and abandoned equipment left by retreats clearly show.The big question is how does this end?,best case some oligarch puts together a posse w/security services and push Putin out and Russia can stand down and begin the long road back to respectability,already a very long road that keeps getting longer.Worst case,Russia attacks NATO supply convoys or Putin out of desperation nukes something,I struggle to find a good ending to this whole tragic affair. I certainly don't hold all the Russian people responsible for this lesson in Authoritarian dictators running amok.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
You know what would be nice?
If there was a 757 page debate on the Epstein flight logs.
Do a search on here & there is NOTHING about them. Well, I couldn't find a thing....
Imagine all the war mongering leaders, celebs, arms dealers & all the other detritus of life, that we could lock up for life & CHANGE THE WORLD?
Shit, you all might wake up & email your local politicians a 100 times a week & get a 100 people to do it too, until they are. Right?!?
Just imagine.......
Instead, you support the side you're told to support by actual war criminals & excuse how corrupt they are because, you know, they're not one of "them". How many of you would hand your children to someone who you KNOW is a pedo? There's gonna be someone. Is it you???
Then WHY TF do you hand your trust to these filth?
War Criminal Politicians: "These are the good guys & these are the bad guys. Got it, you dumb ideologues?"
Dumb Ideologues: "Got it! I hate Russia. No more Russian dressing for me."
War Criminal Politicians: "Don't worry, we're keeping your irrational hatred of Trump simmering in the background. When we need it to boil over, we'll let you know".
Dumb Ideologues: "Ok. We're here when you need us. Wow, I am such an independent free thinking & moral person. I don't know why everyone doesn't think like I do........."
Btw, I don't support Russia, Trump, definitely not Ukraine (I don't support ultra right wing Nazi's). I just know you're all being shown a bright shiny thing to distract you & you all can't stop looking at it
through venting? did it change anything? except your blood pressure?
you think we're distracted by a bright shiny object, and i think you're distracted by the propaganda you've been drinking straight from the tap. you are lumping huge masses of people together who are not the same, they don't behave the same, they don't hold the same values, they don't promote the same goals...you can't understand, so you dumb everything down to a level you can understand...which makes you draw completely incorrect conclusions.
but you have to realize that, i can lead an intellectually stunted individual to the truth, but i can't make them realize it's the truth...you have to put the koolaid down and pick up the pure, cool water...
 
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Kilbarrog

Member
through venting? did it change anything? except your blood pressure?
you think we're distracted by a bright shiny object, and i think you're distracted by the propaganda you've been drinking straight from the tap. you are lumoing huge masses of people together who are not the same, they don't behave the same, they don't hold the same values, they don't promote the same goals...you can't understand, so you dumb everything down to a level you can understand...which makes you draw completely incorrect conclusions.
but you have to realize that, i can lead an intellectually stunted individual to the truth, but i can't make them realize it's the truth...you have to put the koolaid down and pick up the pure, cool water...
All that was so informative & coherent. Thanks for educating me. I had no idea how wrong I was. I think just like you already. I honestly cant thank you enough!
I'll forget about that Epstein list.

Thanks again
 

Kilbarrog

Member
The courts will take care of that idiot Trump and the Ukrainians are doing a pretty good job of dealing with Putin, so what's your problem? Biden is doing an excellent job and has Trump and Putin by the balls less than 2 years into his first term and is actually getting important stuff done in DC too. Hatred of Trump is not irrational, it is the natural reaction of sane compassionate people, he did much to earn it, so did Putin.

What's the matter, you don't seem to know right from wrong, stick around and we will teach you the difference.
Yeah, that's what I'll do. Stick around & learn right from wrong from free thinking people like you.
Thanks for your selfless sacrifice to educate idiots like me.
Who cares about Epstein & his political war criminal friends? What was I thinking?!?
Again, Thanks for everything!
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Who cares about the Epstein shit anymore, what are you gonna do? dig him up and put him on trial again?
The world has much bigger fish to fry now. anyway, that is how being excessively rich works. You get to be a cunt, well until enough evidence gathers for someone in your league to use to take you out with,
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Yeah, that's what I'll do. Stick around & learn right from wrong from free thinking people like you.
Thanks for your selfless sacrifice to educate idiots like me.
Who cares about Epstein & his political war criminal friends? What was I thinking?!?
Again, Thanks for everything!
Are you joking? Pretending like there has not been tons of conversations here about Epstein is really just lazy.

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It really sucks that Trump's DoJ allowed him to be suicided before he could dish on all the things he did as a foreign agent.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
You know what would be nice?
If there was a 757 page debate on the Epstein flight logs.
Do a search on here & there is NOTHING about them. Well, I couldn't find a thing....
Imagine all the war mongering leaders, celebs, arms dealers & all the other detritus of life, that we could lock up for life & CHANGE THE WORLD?
Shit, you all might wake up & email your local politicians a 100 times a week & get a 100 people to do it too, until they are. Right?!?
Just imagine.......
Instead, you support the side you're told to support by actual war criminals & excuse how corrupt they are because, you know, they're not one of "them". How many of you would hand your children to someone who you KNOW is a pedo? There's gonna be someone. Is it you???
Then WHY TF do you hand your trust to these filth?
War Criminal Politicians: "These are the good guys & these are the bad guys. Got it, you dumb ideologues?"
Dumb Ideologues: "Got it! I hate Russia. No more Russian dressing for me."
War Criminal Politicians: "Don't worry, we're keeping your irrational hatred of Trump simmering in the background. When we need it to boil over, we'll let you know".
Dumb Ideologues: "Ok. We're here when you need us. Wow, I am such an independent free thinking & moral person. I don't know why everyone doesn't think like I do........."
Btw, I don't support Russia, Trump, definitely not Ukraine (I don't support ultra right wing Nazi's). I just know you're all being shown a bright shiny thing to distract you & you all can't stop looking at it
Yep, Putin is getting his ass kicked.
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Kadyrov criticized the Hero of Russia, who led the defense in Liman
The allied forces of Russia under the leadership of Colonel General and Hero of Russia Alexander Lapin left a large tract of territory due to the lack of military logistics and untimely and reckless military decisions of the command. So the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov spoke about the reasons for the withdrawal of allied troops from Krasny Liman.

“Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory,” Kadyrov wrote in his telegram channel. The head of the Chechen Republic noted that Lapin controlled the units, being 150 km from them, which, according to Kadyrov, is unacceptable.

Kadyrov also stated that the units of the Liman direction were not provided by Lapin with the necessary communications. “The Colonel General deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units at all the lines of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition,” Kadyrov said.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the withdrawal of allied troops of the Russian Federation from Krasny Liman . The department explained that such a decision was made due to the threat of encirclement by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Borrell: after the referendums, the end of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is impossible
The end of the conflict in Ukraine becomes almost impossible after the liberated territories become part of Russia. This opinion was expressed by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell in an interview with the Spanish TV channel 24 Horas.

“No one recognizes the entry of these territories. This decision makes it virtually impossible for the conflict to end,” Borrell said. The information is reported by TASS. He also urged to continue to support Ukraine with weapons, but not to directly intervene in hostilities.

Earlier in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, referendums were held on joining Russia, reports " Neva news". Most residents voted in favor. Then Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the entry of territories into Russia. However , the UN refused to recognize the results of the referendums .

Kadyrov urged to introduce martial law in the Russian Federation and use nuclear weapons
Russia should consider using low-yield nuclear weapons in a conflict with Ukraine, as well as imposing martial law in a number of regions. This opinion was expressed by the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov

“In my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons. It is not necessary to make every decision with an eye on the Western American community - it already said so and did a lot against us, ”Kadyrov wrote in his telegram channel.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia will use all available means if the country's territorial integrity is threatened. Russia should not be blackmailed with nuclear weapons, Putin added. After that, the White House stated that they took Russia's statements on this topic seriously . However, the Kremlin assured that Moscow can use nuclear weapons only in those cases that are provided for by the nuclear doctrine of the Russian Federation.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Kadyrov criticized the Hero of Russia, who led the defense in Liman
The allied forces of Russia under the leadership of Colonel General and Hero of Russia Alexander Lapin left a large tract of territory due to the lack of military logistics and untimely and reckless military decisions of the command. So the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov spoke about the reasons for the withdrawal of allied troops from Krasny Liman.

“Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory,” Kadyrov wrote in his telegram channel. The head of the Chechen Republic noted that Lapin controlled the units, being 150 km from them, which, according to Kadyrov, is unacceptable.

Kadyrov also stated that the units of the Liman direction were not provided by Lapin with the necessary communications. “The Colonel General deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units at all the lines of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition,” Kadyrov said.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the withdrawal of allied troops of the Russian Federation from Krasny Liman . The department explained that such a decision was made due to the threat of encirclement by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Borrell: after the referendums, the end of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is impossible
The end of the conflict in Ukraine becomes almost impossible after the liberated territories become part of Russia. This opinion was expressed by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell in an interview with the Spanish TV channel 24 Horas.

“No one recognizes the entry of these territories. This decision makes it virtually impossible for the conflict to end,” Borrell said. The information is reported by TASS. He also urged to continue to support Ukraine with weapons, but not to directly intervene in hostilities.

Earlier in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, referendums were held on joining Russia, reports " Neva news". Most residents voted in favor. Then Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the entry of territories into Russia. However , the UN refused to recognize the results of the referendums .

Kadyrov urged to introduce martial law in the Russian Federation and use nuclear weapons
Russia should consider using low-yield nuclear weapons in a conflict with Ukraine, as well as imposing martial law in a number of regions. This opinion was expressed by the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov

“In my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons. It is not necessary to make every decision with an eye on the Western American community - it already said so and did a lot against us, ”Kadyrov wrote in his telegram channel.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia will use all available means if the country's territorial integrity is threatened. Russia should not be blackmailed with nuclear weapons, Putin added. After that, the White House stated that they took Russia's statements on this topic seriously . However, the Kremlin assured that Moscow can use nuclear weapons only in those cases that are provided for by the nuclear doctrine of the Russian Federation.
we should have given MacArthur free reign after WW2...he was right about everything, it just took a little longer to manifest than he thought it would.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Come on,We are not naive and prior to invasion Ukraine has problems w/corruption,however the invasion has been a stunning lesson in brutality that I didn't think the Russian military would resort to against a people who are almost kin to them, seeing so many innocent civilians killed or living in basements,so many elderly is tragic. I don't hate Russia,never have,always respected them and was never comfortable w/NATO expanding as much as it has. Basically it's Putin's war and some combatants inevitably cross the line and commit war crimes,most Russian soldiers heart is not into this as intercepted calls and abandoned equipment left by retreats clearly show.The big question is how does this end?,best case some oligarch puts together a posse w/security services and push Putin out and Russia can stand down and begin the long road back to respectability,already a very long road that keeps getting longer.Worst case,Russia attacks NATO supply convoys or Putin out of desperation nukes something,I struggle to find a good ending to this whole tragic affair. I certainly don't hold all the Russian people responsible for this lesson in Authoritarian dictators running amok.
The war, Zelenskiy and his party, and aspiring EU membership and the rigorous requirements for membership is doing much to clean up corruption. America is pretty corrupt too, it is a feature of free societies, not a bug, freedom to break the law until caught, or to be an asshole, until smacked in the face.

Russia and Putin showed their ugly face and are as brutal to their own soldiers as they are to Ukrainians, the lives and wishes of others are of little concern to them. Putin will throw anybody under the bus to cling to power, because losing it will be fatal, his replacement will blame everything on him. Tyrants ride the tiger, and they dare not fall off, lest the best consume them.
 
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