We need to stand up and fight

i think at the core of the dilema is the state involvement factor.

the state and fed need to completely remove themselves from it and see what happens for a while. if you have large grow ops putting product into stores en masse it would be a good time set some standards and perhaps regulate IF there were any health issues (ie., the glass in the U.K.). otherwise, it should be treated as an organic herb, or garden vegetable with NO taxation or gvnmnt involvement. i for one would not register with any state or fed program and i would NOT buy from any of them either.

I read about the two bills in this months high times, it said something along the lines of, both sides of congress and the nation r realizing that The War On Drugs isn't working.

also i had to change my moms mind due to my father being a stoner and she hating him, but when you move out on your own you can talk to your parents about alot more stuff.

I have an idea. Why don't we spread the word to all stoners to go out and throw seeds everywhere. Have it growing like grass, then the govt. will be fucked. They are all gonna call me billy potseed ill walk the whole U.S. planting weed.

Some times you have to comprimise. Its the Economy If you really beleive we can get MJ legalized with out giving up something the Easter Bunny will be knocking on your door any minute. You wouldn't have to be buying it from the State unless you consider buying a LOttery Ticket buying from the state. Any problems arising after it is legalized must certianly be anticipated and valid alternatives to any potential problem must be dealt with but first we have to get all the potheads on the same PAGE: Its the economics.
Sorry, none of these arguments will matter unless you can give average Americans a reason to listen. The state of MIchigan's economy is bad and getting worse. Really what better argument could you have. Here are some of the facts.
Marijuana is the #1 cash crop in the United States. This trumps all other arguments. Hemp could be the # 2 cash crop in the United States. #3 We have all heard of the plite of the American Farmer. #4 We are dependant on foreign oil. #5 Hemp makes better cheaper BioDeisel than corn.
And we are saying take all of that money ALREADY being spent on Marijuana away from the criminals, let us grow our own if we want to, and for those of us who don't want to put in that much effort let me buy it at my corner store. Instead of producing 33% of the Marijuana crop in California, produce it for our state in our state. 2 whole industries, Marijuana and hemp. I could live for quite a while on 1% of these industries. And the government just has to collect the tax.
Now I hope you can see how important it is for us to set this up without government interference. If we could , and thats a big if, get our elected officials behind this without having some oversite they would just go bananas. Can you imagine how fast they would spend that money. What did med say 2days of the war in Iraq. You have to have a plan that says this is how much money we are realistically talking about and this is what we want done with it. Set up a 6 month plan for implementing phase 1. You don't have to have a whole new buracracy because you already have a State Liqour Commission. They only have to check the records from the people that have distributors licenses and the fees from the growers and the distributors will pay for getting that all set up. A few indutries will be affected in a positive way. Hydro-shops will appear beleive me. Implement dealership will definately benefit. The building industry will feel some of the effect and every MUnicipal government will pay less for police departments and courts. Allowing them to fight real crime. Which benefits us all. I'm probably not old enough to be saying all of this. Its The Economics.
All of the people in Michigan can understand this type of logic and you don't have to go very far to find the perfect example. This my friends is a tax increase. The last time we had a tax increse in the STate Of MIchigan was just a few years ago. They increased the tax on cigarettes by $.75. The last one before that was an increase in the tax on cigarettes of $.50. it wasn't real hard to pass those taxes. Oh sure you had some token opposition but hey most of the smokers still smoke. We pay the tax. You know who pays the Marijuana tax? The criminals.

PlutonicChronic said:

I have an idea. Why don't we spread the word to all stoners to go out and throw seeds everywhere. Have it growing like grass, then the govt. will be fucked. They are all gonna call me billy potseed ill walk the whole U.S. planting weed.

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I tried that in the '70's, might be some weed growing someplace, but in all but one place I returned to, either a cow or a stoner copped the plants and the dream of wild weed was put to rest. The one place where I did rescue a couple a plants, they were scrawny and not very stony.

Hey wait a minute I'm one of the criminals. 'I mean growin weed is what I do yo, and I ain't just sayin for my own use. I mean sum of us blue collered rednecks have a little thing goin here' no whwt I mean Vern. It is for medicinal purposes and I didn't inhale. hahahahaha! I'll probably just ignore the law and keep on doin wht ima doin. So yu wont git all that money. SO they ain't gettin it now either.
One or two of us may turn legal and if we don't the hydro shop will be really busy cause there WILL be a whole lot more growers.
" Well 0ok man I cn unerstnd that but my shit is really tight man. I mean $45.for a 1/4 of my shit. Yo definetly dreamin". Ok, so convince me yours is better. They have different grades and varieties of alcohol and beer and cigarettes. THESE ARE BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRIES. SOme cost more but me and the boys drink ol red, whit an blu. If yours is better, and if you can convince someone else its better sell it for more, I don't care. Just let the state get the $11.25 + the 6% sales tax and ererybodys happy. Me an the boys can by our skunk, not no numer one skunk but skunk anyways and you preppy boys can git you blueberry, tutti frutti shit. I bet the bong business will see a little increase two. Shit man lets jus go drop seeds evewher.
ITS THE ECONOMICS

Well ...you did say 'Rant'.
I read an article recent ly about one of our governors great programs. Seems that, using the money from The Agriculture Inovative grant they had awarded 43MILLION Dollars to different projects and that was going to create 267 new jobs in our fine state. WTF thats $161,049.00/job. Hope we don't have to higher em' fer 2 years. They should be high enough with that kinda job. and at least part of it was some hyrdo-shrimp kinda thing in Okemos. Hmm.. Agriculture Innovation. I'm tired of this for a while. And the damn iceburg is melting. To bad we can't figure some ways to round up those green house gases, the CO2 at least and use them for our plants, that would certiianly have some effect on global warming and of course all of that hemp growing will use more CO2. and both will emit more oxygen in the air which will be better for my health, better for the environment, Take a Bfb out of crime, eliminate prison over crowding,free our police forces to fight real crime, produce income for the state and cost the potheads less money.Startin to sound like a win-win. But I'm probaly not old enough to understand it, bein a blu coller redneck in sum fild in Ohio. ha ha you can lead a horse to water but he wouldn't get it anyway. NOWE THATS FUNNY!!! i still cant type or spell. TYhink ill just go visit with the widow, a few seeds i was able to coax how goody for me. Wanna talk calculus for a while??
To get a spurt you can spank the monkey OR find a drip and put it under pressure and an ex is a has been. So an expert is a jerk-off or a drip under pressure. lol i'm prolly to yung to unerstan.
ITS THE ECONOMY

im going to go and buy te new high times to read about that

It is the rambling of a stoner. I have a really peculiar sense of humor. I try to never take myself too seriously. But I do take the legalization seriously. Every argument against legalizing it has been shown to be false. And all the Prohibitionist do is come up with another excuse. Now we are hearing it may make teenagers 80 times more likely to be depressed later in life if the stop smoking. I read that information. Saying that study showed MJ smokers may get depressed is so close to a bald faced lie its scary. They recently accused one of the high ups I forgot who it was about joking about Medical MJ.
And as long as the prohibitionist can keep us on the defense by bringing up new arguments, which we feel we have to respond to, nothing will get done.
The fact is no matter what the reason anyone would be against the legalization, they would allow you to smoke it if they saw an economic benefit to them. Now wiping out the deficit of the state I live in would give me some benefit. Being able to safely reduce the size of the police force would give me some benefit. Not having to release rapist and murderers because of prison overcrowding would give me some benefits. You gotta sell the 'Sizzle' not the steak.
Sorry stoned again

the gov't is run by people we elecet they like to please us most of the time in other words power with numbers the more people wanting something done about all this kids and harmless auldts going to jail, something going to change but b4 anything changes we are going need to stop the war on drugs thats 18billion a year that the gov't waste, so far in any big city i go to here in you can get anything you want, but why we cant stop the war on drugs is it provides jobs that helps the eco. but as for decrimalizing it that does not help nor hurt the eco.


i'm why to lazy to wright this out better

the way i think of it is like this :clears throat:
"IF" weed did harm you,then we are harming ourselves we aint doing shit to nobody but thats only if.
another thing, this country would benefit 100,000% from the legalization of MJ and we all fuckin know that tha money is much needed cuz we is most likely going to get invaded and conquered by other nations and then were fucked with no turning back. this legalization is prolly tha only way we will get through this bullshit war.

if we get invaded & conq. it wont be in our lifetime

if a bunch of mo'fuckas got nukes....then anything can happen

i let this one go for a while to see what ideas came up and i think it comes down to this... victor is absolutly right more arguments are needed then we want it legalized so do it... so what i say is this... we have a place and the intelligence here on this site to come up with those ideas... why not come up with something solid on all fronts... economics, medical and disproving of false facts... then we can stick this on top of a well put together petition and with all the different people on this site we could get a movement started... i know that might sound crazy but they can't arrest you for using your first amendment and if we the people talk about doing things but never do them and just leave it to washington then we are fucked... overall they care about their wants and needs and not about the general public... if we want action we have to fight for it... Martin Luther King Jr. didn't just come up with good ideas write them down and then not act on them neither did the founding fathers and neither did the people who thought it was bs to outlaw alchohol... and they all got to see their actions get results... the people who know mj shouldn't be illegal will never see any action if we don't do anything... I wonder how many people belong to this site and how many of those people know people who smoke or think it should be legal??? i bet its a lot and i bet the signatures would roll in pretty fast... but maybe i'm wrong

The estimate is 14.6 MILLION regular MJ users. 33% are considered to be regular smokers, which in this case means they smoke at least 20 times every 30 days. Thats 4.82 MILLION regular smokers. If they smoke just an oz a month that 301,250 Pounds. Hey I'm not stoned ...Yet

By the way the deficit for our state is going to be around $800,000,000.00 for the coming fiscal year, with 1/5 of the general fund going to the Corrections Department. I wish Mogie was here. Or Mrs. Mogie. We need some good organizers.

next time I'll be stoned again.lol

we have to dissolve the momentum that generations of expert propaganda has instilled in society.

which manor of war is superior?

path of least resistance = remain underground and fund public orgs like norml, stop the drug war, leap, etc. defeat is an ongoing state, slowly a law or two will pass, eventually the fed will consider ending prohibition.

cheap and slow.

blitzkrieg = large organized protests FOCUSED on the issue and not involving ANY other issues. demand senate review of drug policy and publicize expenditures. launch major media campaign in all states exposing law enforcement costs, ruined lives. stage civil disobedience and let the public see people getting arrested for getting high. brutally demonize alcohol and show the difference between drunk and high. sustain efforts until the opposition breaks.

expensive and fast.

surgical = media campaign that puts out the facts and appeals to emotions. show costs, show interviews of law enforcement and acedemics. undermine prohibition propaganda directly and sporadically.

moderately expensive and long term.



any other ideas on how to do it?

any other ideas on how to do it? Just do it, talk is cheap. All you people on this site with excessive amounts of money can do something useful for your fellow stoners, spend some on 7xs' Ideas.