giving defoliation during flower a try

jacksthc

jacksthc

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CaretakerDad said:
LST, Supercropping, and judicious pruning should not be confused with removing fan leaves, but I understand why you choose to do so as it seems to you to justify bad botany.
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Ok if you consider good air flow as bad botany lol

There reason why leaves in the center of thick dense bush die and fall off

No light, airflow so the plant discards them

Don't need a book to know this
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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ahhhh, the same ole argument with leaf cutting, lol. it's right up there with flushing controversy. no one is gonna change the other's mind. i've tried trimming, and not trimming fan leaves. hell, i trim branches, if i don't like the cut of it's jib! i trim up to, and sometimes beyond, week 2-3 of flower...
 
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CaretakerDad

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jacksthc said:
Ok if you consider good air flow as bad botany lol

There reason why leaves in the center of thick dense bush die and fall off

No light, airflow so the plant discards them

Don't need a book to know this
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If you truly believe this then wait until the plant discards them. And what you are describing is pruning, not defoliation. The meaning of words are important, it is why we read actual books on botany,biology,and chemistry so that we may know the difference.
 
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jacksthc

jacksthc

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sorry fellow got no ideal what your taking about now

Trimming (a tree, shrub, or bush) by cutting away dead or overgrown branches or stems, especially to encourage growth
whats that got to do with removing a few fan leaves ?

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prune?q=pruning#prune-2

Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land) now that sounds more like it
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/defoliate
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/defoliate

sounds like you need to do some more reading ;)
 
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CaretakerDad

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jacksthc said:
sorry fellow got no ideal what your taking about now

Trimming (a tree, shrub, or bush) by cutting away dead or overgrown branches or stems, especially to encourage growth
whats that got to do with removing a few fan leaves ?

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prune?q=pruning#prune-2

Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land) now that sounds more like it
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/defoliate

sounds like you need to do some more reading ;)
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My apologies, I should have mentioned to you that comprehension is also an important tool gained by reading. Good luck with your attitude and ideas, you will need it. I read a signature line that applies to you attributed to John Wayne. Allow me to paraphrase "Life is tough but it's a lot tougher for stupid people".

PS FYI you haven't had any idea what I and others have been talking about from the beginning.
 
Uncle Ben

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jacksthc said:
sorry fellow got no ideal what your taking about now

Trimming (a tree, shrub, or bush) by cutting away dead or overgrown branches or stems, especially to encourage growth
whats that got to do with removing a few fan leaves ?

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prune?q=pruning#prune-2

Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land) now that sounds more like it
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/defoliate

sounds like you need to do some more reading ;)
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You can't interpolate well designed, tried and true training techniques in with defoliation. They are not similar in any manner.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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CaretakerDad said:
My apologies, I should have mentioned to you that comprehension is also an important tool gained by reading. Good luck with your attitude and ideas, you will need it. I read a signature line that applies to you attributed to John Wayne. Allow me to paraphrase "Life is tough but it's a lot tougher for stupid people".

PS FYI you haven't had any idea what I and others have been talking about from the beginning.
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I had just typed a scathing comment regarding this kid's points but deleted it.

You can give a person knowledge but you can't make them think. With age, experience, and knowledge they might come around.

Tio
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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jacksthc said:
sorry fellow got no ideal what your taking about now

Trimming (a tree, shrub, or bush) by cutting away dead or overgrown branches or stems, especially to encourage growth
whats that got to do with removing a few fan leaves ?

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prune?q=pruning#prune-2

Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land) now that sounds more like it
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/defoliate

sounds like you need to do some more reading ;)
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verb
[with object]Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land), for agricultural purposes or as a military tactic: the area was defoliated and napalmed many times

Napalmed, hah! Sounds like the typical RIU garden. Unite Defoliator Warriors, time to napalm dem bitches!
 
BDOGKush

BDOGKush

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Uncle Ben said:
verb
[with object]Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land), for agricultural purposes or as a military tactic: the area was defoliated and napalmed many times

Napalmed, hah! Sounds like the typical RIU garden. Unite Defoliator Warriors, time to napalm dem bitches!
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I've used Agent Orange in my gardens with amazing results!:wink:
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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jacksthc said:
I grow most plants from clones so I have got a good ideal how much they will grow

I live in the uk, so no grow is legal more or less they base it the number of plants, size of them and the amount of lights used (also if the grow is hydro or soil and the cost of the setup)
I have a budget setup, nutes and reuse half the soil and so I train the canopy to get the best yeild out my small plants
so for years I have been working on controlling the canopy shape and its working out really well

aiming to get every plant to grow 24" wide, 18" high and yield 4 oz's
that would give me the best yield for the lowest risk, (my average yield is 3 oz's per plant, 4 plants under a 600w hps)

and I need to be able to move the plants as I rent, moving plants this size is not easy, could no do it if they where any bigger

I have tried growing larger plants and all the weight tends to be on the top 18" of the plant ( using a single 600w hps horizontal above the canopy)

so removing a few fan leaves really helps me hit my target after topping and pulling the shoots down to fill the room
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i live in the UK too, the 9 plant count thing is something i have looked into
i try to grow fewer plants that yield more , i am always looking for something that yields well and fast but also taste right
if it does not taste right, i will not keep it

with some of the skunk/ sativa dom strains i could easy yield 10-16 oz per plant in a 11-12 week time frame
i do not think it matters too much, since the law on possession has not changed
if i had 9 plants that weigh over 100 oz of dried bud that is as bad as having many more plants
that weigh the same, although they do break it down into categories
9 plants or under is seen as personal use, but anything over 1kg or whatever it is
is not seen a personal use
i know what your saying though some plants grow perfectly well with leaves missing
they produce fat colas allover the plant, i removed a fair amount of leaves from this plant below
and it produced big colas allover it , it was slightly shaded by branches from the plant next to it
if it had been an indica,/ wide leaf hybrid or kush plant i would of not removed any leaves, because of issues i have had trying this in the past
not saying all indica will respond badly, i have seen enough of them grow back distorted to not risk it anymore







i have used lower lighting in the past
if this lower lighting if only on 1 side it will create fatter nugs down below, especially if the plant is bottom heavy anyway
but when these lower buds grow bigger they block and shade the inner section and opposite lower side of the plant
so lower light is needed all around the plant to make it grow evenly big on all sides

this was two seed haze hybrids at around 6 weeks 12/12 they grew like a jungle so i did remove lots of growth including leaves
i like to find a balance between keeping as many leaves as possible but also avoiding shading
i also tend to remove thinner growth / stringy inner side branches etc


peace
 
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CaretakerDad

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Uncle Ben said:
I had just typed a scathing comment regarding this kid's points but deleted it.

You can give a person knowledge but you can't make them think. With age, experience, and knowledge they might come around.

Tio
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I was told by a fellow from Texas once that a mite (might :P ) was a little red thing on a chickens ass. Just thought you might want to know. Hope the season has gone well for you, I will be posting some pics when the hoophouse is up over the trees. :peace:
 
Stompromper

Stompromper

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Uncle Ben, post: 10891287, member: 46130"]I've been growing for 40+ years penis breath. Yes, that gives me a touch of wisdom.
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Well Ive been growing long enough to know that if I clear a few light blocking leaves Ill get a better harvest than if I leave them on.

Selective pruning.. I guess Ill bow out of the defoliation topic because everyone obviously thinks it means to totally strip the leaves off a plant which would be stupid.. But I'm not going to keep argueing that clipping some light blockers is beneficial with an old codge stuck in his ways.
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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Stompromper said:
I get tired of him belittling everyone that doesn't agree with everything he says. We've going round and rou d this topic for years..
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i judge by the results, if it looks good then i am happy for folk to grow their plants and chop them up however they like, its really none of my business
i cant help but notice there are plenty of shitty looking plants posted on RIU and on most occasions the people posting the plants think they are perfect
just check out the organics or led section as proof of these (delusions of grandeur)

other folk have agendas and need to give advice or be gurus , get all bent out of shape over what other people do with their plants

to be fair
one of the problems is, some folk also go around telling people they should defoliate or the yield will be lower
this makes those who do not remove any leaves feel that their methods are being criticized
and many folk who grow and do not remove any leaves grow nice plants

also, most if not all the people i have seen advocating defoliation as a yield increasing method along with some guide they have created
tend to post horrible skinny plants , i have no idea why noobs follow these self appointed defoliation gurus , because their plants look shit

a user here sir ganja , he was a complete wanker, and posted horrible looking leaf stripped plants , he has been banned now
he was the opposite extreme of UB , its sad neither of these extremists can find a middle ground

peace
 
Sativied

Sativied

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I thought I handled the airflow argument already... if you want better airflow, do proper bud site spacing and get a decent exhaust. Indoor growing, control the environment... If that really isn't a option (which is the case if the weather sucks during last two weeks or so and can't suck in dry enough air) I remove a few large lower fans. Intake should be at the bottom, air should rise up to the exhaust, removing a few leaves on top isn't going to help airflow much in a proper setup.

Removing a leaf never equals "removing a light blocker", leaves don't block light, they harvest it. And the result, photosynthate, is transported throughout the entire plant, even to the roots. It has no problem translocating photosynthate to buds closer by.

Science literally means "knowing". Basically defoliation cannabis is pseudoscience. Don't bs about the lack of importance of science and then make up your own (which made no sense at all, transpiration is the driving engine for nutrient uptake as well, it's not something you want to reduce but handle).
 
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