Best way to combat pythium and root rot in all hydroponic growing methods.

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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rkymtnman said:
nope, not fly fishing. just spinning/baitcasting stuff. i just started trying for pike last year. still need to improve. i love eating pike and once i saw a youtube vid on how to filet one in 5 steps without bones, i was kinda hooked. plus those fish will destroy a lure kinda like a largemouth bass. love to fish topwater. all the lakes around here want you to catch and remove all the pike so they don't decimate the other species.
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Pike are one of the few freshwater fish I keep and eat, walleye too. You could always shoot the pike in the spring, that's fun lol. I start bow fishing soon as well for carp on the St. Lawrence river, another way fun way to waste a day lol.
 
Budley Doright

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I should point out that the shooting of pike is illegal and I do not suggest anyone break the law "cough....j Henry.....cough". But yes I have shot a few in my youth :).
 
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Budley Doright said:
That's kinda the whole point of this I think, a healthy root zone. What happened to weed is kind of different than what I experienced, temps killed mine but his seem to be ok so really the only other thing I can think of would be O2, any thoughts Church?
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Dissolved Oxygen (DO)

http://www.homehydrosystems.com/nutrients/oxygen_page.html

Perhaps one of the commonest problems in hydropnic systems is the Pythium pathogen. What many growers do not realize is that Pythium, being an “opportunist” fungi, often takes advantage of plants which have been stressed by a combination of high temperatures and oxygen starvation in the root zone. Pythium is usually described as a “secondary infection” meaning that the Pythium spores that are actually common in just about all hydroponic systems, don't actually attack the plant until it has been damaged in some way. Pythium is everywhere, so the best defense is a healthy plant.

Oxygen is an essential plant nutrient – plant root systems require oxygen for aerobic respiration, an essential plant process that releases energy for root growth and nutrient uptake. In many water-based hydroponic systems,the oxygen supplied for plant root uptake is provided mostly as dissolved oxygen (DO) in the nutrient solution as well as a zone of aeration provided by a gap from the surface to the reservoir water level.

Oxygen requirements for plants in flower tend to be more demanding in comparison to vegetative states. This is due to the size of the root system, temperature, and nutrient uptake rates, not the specific stage of growth.

Injury from low (or no) oxygen in the root zone can take several forms and these will differ in severity between plant types. Often the first sign of inadequate oxygen supply to the roots is wilting of the plant under warm conditions and high light levels. Insufficient oxygen reduces the permeability of the roots to water and there will be an accumulation of toxins, so that both water and minerals are not absorbed in sufficient amounts to support plant growth.

While it is possible to measure the levels of dissolved oxygen in a hydroponic nutrient solution, it is not carried out as often as EC/ppm or pH monitoring due to the cost of accurate DO meters. However, if an effective method of aeration is continually being used, and solution temperatures are not reaching excessively high levels, then good levels of oxygenation can be achieved without trouble.
 
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Budley Doright said:
I should point out that the shooting of pike is illegal and I do not suggest anyone break the law "cough....j Henry.....cough". But yes I have shot a few in my youth :).
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Say you cough alot, smoke a lot… might have caught yourself a dose of the Emphysema/COPD, eh old man…
 
rkymtnman

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Budley Doright said:
Pike are one of the few freshwater fish I keep and eat, walleye too. You could always shoot the pike in the spring, that's fun lol. I start bow fishing soon as well for carp on the St. Lawrence river, another way fun way to waste a day lol.
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have you seen video of those flying fish ( asian carp maybe?) that they shoot with bows? that looks fun as hell.
 
WeedFreak78

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rkymtnman said:
remember the old telephones where you had to crank the handle to charge it up to make a call?

you can add leads to it and drop them in the water while cranking in the boat and fish will float up to the surface stunned. scoop em up wiht a net. works great on catfish.
just don't get caught by fish and game or they take everything
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Lol. .growing up one of my friends had his grandfather's WW2 field phone..we quickly figured that out. .we would see who could hold the leads the longest. Then I found out they actually used them like that for torture. .lol. .kids.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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rkymtnman said:
and you didn't need 145% O2 superdupersaturation to do it??? holy crap!
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No but I needed 300' of copper coiled in loops behind the building lol. Actually I have tons of copper just waiting for the price to skyrocket again so a great way to use it :). I can't wait to get a good yielder in there next fall now that things are dialed in :). Got the summer to ponder strain selection. Buying some think different seeds to start this weekend inside and will plant some of what I've got going outdoors as well, up to about 45 clones now :).
 
Tripp2005

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Soo its been a minute since I let you all know how the tea an hydroguard let's just say its been working really well plants have been growing at least a inch a day and taking off rootmass has tripled or more deff sum thing I'll be using from now on and looks like the advanced nutes root tribe is my next purchase deff worth the money
 
OGMMJ

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Hey guys, finally got the HG and pondzyme today and changed my Rez and added my full recipe of nutes I would like to run and the hydroguard and pondzyme, added the hydroguard at 2ml a gallon and about 1/8th scoop probably less of the pondzyme

Ph is at 6.0

ppm ended up right at 345 after following my recipe which is a number I'm comfortable with for young plants still and also still haven't figured out my conversion rate, still if anyone knows it is the HDE "blue" ppm meter from Amazon, came in a pack with a yellow ph meter as well,

Anyways hopefully things will take off how I was anticipating and if just the hg and pondzyme on their own don't do the trick I will brew some tea and give that a shot, but I'm feeling good about the new soup, the res had no slime or algae when I changed it since I have been adding h2o2 until the guard got here. Now hopefully it's out the door with h2o2 with bigger better results from bennies :blsmoke:

Happy Friday! Have a good weekend guys!
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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OGMMJ said:
Hey guys, finally got the HG and pondzyme today and changed my Rez and added my full recipe of nutes I would like to run and the hydroguard and pondzyme, added the hydroguard at 2ml a gallon and about 1/8th scoop probably less of the pondzyme

Ph is at 6.0

ppm ended up right at 345 after following my recipe which is a number I'm comfortable with for young plants still and also still haven't figured out my conversion rate, still if anyone knows it is the HDE "blue" ppm meter from Amazon, came in a pack with a yellow ph meter as well,

Anyways hopefully things will take off how I was anticipating and if just the hg and pondzyme on their own don't do the trick I will brew some tea and give that a shot, but I'm feeling good about the new soup, the res had no slime or algae when I changed it since I have been adding h2o2 until the guard got here. Now hopefully it's out the door with h2o2 with bigger better results from bennies :blsmoke:

Happy Friday! Have a good weekend guys!
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Good luck!!! Keep us posted :). It would be cool to see if just the pondzyme alone offered the same results. I've just had some good results with just the guard I would hate to find that it is better. But it could be worse lol, seperate buckets would be nice lol.
 
OGMMJ

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Budley Doright said:
Done that and ya it worked but I do seem to get better root development with the hydroguard, honestly since I installed the chiller I have not tried H2O2 but it didn't touch the rot I had but hydroguard did touch them and made them grow lol.
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Agreed, the new roots are white and healthy but the plants have barely grown, and the problem is still around, the rotted roots are still there, still rotted, not necessarily rotting any further, so I'm hoping the bennies will now do one better and start feeding on the dead/rotted roots

Also with h2o2 it sure seemed to be a heavy amount every couple days of a product I'm not fully comfortable with using in something I will be inhaling in the end anyway, even though I understand it's only one extra oxy molecule compared from water, ( I once heard that margarine is one molecule difference from plastic.) :twisted:

Here's a pic of the roots of the one I chopped all the roots off of compared to the one I left the roots and the new growth that has been since holding back the slime/algae/pythium whatever I had/have
 

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Budley Doright

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It took my girls about two weeks to get new roots with the guard alone but I also use vitanimo. My timeline is kinda fucky so I need to see when the chiller was introduced as well.
 
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