Mandala Seeds Kalichakra and Satori

babygro

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ngt, check out their mandala #1 strain... it looks scrumptious
I have to say I was tempted by Mandala #1, but wanted to grow out the two Sativa 'high' plants first.

That's the good thing about Mandala genetics - there's something for everyone, and all are relatively easy and stress free to grow.

Mandala #1, looks really nice, Sativa up high with Indica yield and growth, very suitable to growing outdoors as it is indoors and can produce lovely purple flowers mid way through flowering coming from the New Zealand Purple Indica.

I don't think you'd be disappointed with that strain!
 

Vr6T

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Mandala does have a good variety of strains. I'm 2 weeks into my whte satin grow and this low light plant is doing great under my cfl setup
 

babygro

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Okay update time. Day 43 for most of them popping the soil surface, near the end of the seventh week of vegetative growth.

Repotted all the Satori and Kalichakra into 3 Litre pots today into a mix of 5 parts Moorland MP and 5 parts Westlands MP + JI and 1 part perlite. All soil sieved through a 1/4 inch screen and reconstituted and fluffed up from it's compressed form. I added a teaspoon of Dolomite lime to buffer ph and a teaspoon of calcified seaweed per litre of soil. Watered with 1 drop superthrive per 4L of water and 1.5mil Maxicrop Seaweed extract per 4L of water

No rootgrow this time, that only needs to be applied once and that was done last repot.

So far in terms of nutrient feeding all I've given them is 0.5mil Biobizz grow per L of water a couple of waterings ago and a teasp of epsom salts per L of water.

Due to my space restrictions in my 'grow-room' this is the final repot before I switch to 12/12 in about a weeks time or as soon as they've rooted out these new pots, which I expect will take no more than 4 or 5 days, as soon as that happens I'll switch to 12/12.

Accepted, 3L pots are a little too small to flower in ideally, but with 8 plants that's all I can fit them into at the moment, and still get them all in the grow room. This is why I'm so 'anal' for want of a better expression about making sure the rootball is correctly developed by starting them out in 1L pots, potting up to 2L pots and then 3L pots - each pot up develops and enlarges the rootball - so important if you're restricted in pot size.

Many of the growers on here who don't have the limited room I have and can pot up into large pots for flowering, have an ideal opportunity to get that rootball correctly developed in the pot ups to that final pot size, but so few of them really bother to do it.

They go from a tiny 4" 1L pot almost straight into their final flowering pot size of 2-3 gallons, where the tap root will simply grow straight down and out round the bottom, missing out on all that soil, which is wasted.

The plan, is to put them into flowering in their 3L pots and as soon as I know what sex they are (hopefully within 2 weeks) I'll repot the females into 6.5L pots and chuck the males.

The reason you let the plants 'root out' their final pots before switching to 12/12 is because root growth slows considerably in flowering and so you want the most root growth whilst the plant is in veg.

Health wise they're coming nicely, still got the Mg deficiency problems (thanks to my tap water) but I'm keeping that under control. The tallest is now about 11 or 12 inches high so I really need to switch to 12/12 asap really.

As I repotted them and watered them today, they're still looking a little droopy and sorry for themselves, as soon as they've perked up I'll post some pics of them.
 

babygro

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Mandala does have a good variety of strains. I'm 2 weeks into my whte satin grow and this low light plant is doing great under my cfl setup
hiya Vr6T

Glad to hear you're pleased with your White Satin grow, I'll have to swing by your grow diary if you've got one.
 

SnowWhite

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Any pics mate?

Sounding good man, it's great you've identified/confirmed your Mg problems....shame you have to re-pot during flower though. But I totally understand your limitations. As I had feminised seeds for my first grow, I did not have to worry about the males and waste good flowering space to indentify them, so my final pots were 15L. Nice! I'm not going to have this luxury on my next grow though as I'll need to root out the males, so I'm actually only going to start with 4 this time. 2 hasberry and 2 Satori. Hoping for 1-3 girls.

As I have my 400W HPS and 2 x 125W red spec enviro's for flowering, I'm going to get excellent light to my plants and hope to achieve much higher yields from each plant individually.

When I harvested my snow white's, I could see that they had so much more potential, If only the lower branches could of had better light. I'm thinking of trying some training next time too. I'm so busy at the moment that I've not had chance to start my Mandala's off yet, but I'm hoping to get them started this weekend. I will be conducting a little soil experiment as well!

Good luck with the rest of your grow dude, may you have lots of girls!! Can't wait to see the progress.
 

Bigbud

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Sup babygrow,

Plants looking great.. I did back track but I didnt see it...what type of light/s are you useing for flowering

What you going to do if by chance if you get more females then you can fit in your space ? do you have a back up
 

babygro

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Sounding good man, it's great you've identified/confirmed your Mg problems....shame you have to re-pot during flower though. But I totally understand your limitations. As I had feminised seeds for my first grow, I did not have to worry about the males and waste good flowering space to indentify them, so my final pots were 15L. Nice! I'm not going to have this luxury on my next grow though as I'll need to root out the males, so I'm actually only going to start with 4 this time. 2 hasberry and 2 Satori. Hoping for 1-3 girls.
Cheers SnowWhite

Pics coming up shortly, took some this afternoon - my my they enjoyed their repot and are going crazy now, the tallest are closing in on 12 inches now so I'm going to have to put them in flowering fairly shortly if I don't want their height to get out of hand.

It doesn't really concern me repotting in flowering, if you do it within the first 2-3 weeks you minimise the amount of disruption to the plant and only delay it slightly in its flowering phase.

To be honest with you, I'd start out with more than two of each - your setting yourself up for disappointment only growing out two of each. The more you grow, the more likely you'll get a favourable female/male ratio because that's the way averages work. Sure you could end up with 4 females, you're also just as likely to get 4 males - that's the problem.

I was a bit like you when I first started and only grew out 3 Sensi Stars, I was sweating on getting a female from three and was lucky I did. Grow out as many in veg as your space and resources will handle with the view to getting a 50% female ratio - the more you grow, the more chances of getting females.

I'm hoping for 4 females out of 8 - my space will handle 4 plants nicely, any more and it's a squeeze, if I get less than 4 I'll be disappointed.
 

babygro

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OKay some pictures as promised, taken this afternoon.

I think they're doing okay, considering they will be 7 weeks old tommorow and the only nutrients they've so far received apart from the odd dose of epsoms is 0.5 mil per Litre of Biobizz grow at the watering before last.

The 'light green' pheno had developed a huge rootball and is by far the healthiest and vigourous of all the plants - it's rooted out it's pot already!

I've been watching temperatures and humidity carefully and noting it - here's some readings from the past week -

Temperature high/low
27.5/26 | 26.8/23.6 | 27.4/24.5 | 26.1/23.4 | 25.8/23.4 | 25.1/22.7 | 24.2/22.1

Highest 27.5, lowest 22.1, average high is 26.1, low 23.7 averaging a 2.4 degree difference between lights on and lights off.

RH high/low
69/51 | 55/47 | 57/45 | 61/46 | 62/49 | 66/44 | 61/51

Highest 69, lowest 44, average high 61.57, low 47.5
 

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babygro

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[Plants looking great.. I did back track but I didnt see it...what type of light/s are you useing for flowering
Thanks Bb, I think they're doing okay, just wish I had more space really.

They're currently under a 200w blue Enviro, and last time I flowered under 2 x 200w red enviro's but this time I was hoping to use a 250w Lumatek, but I haven't got it yet so I'll probably switch to flowering with 1 x 200w blue and 1 x 200w red enviro for the first couple of weeks.

What you going to do if by chance if you get more females then you can fit in your space ? do you have a back up
Good question! I guess I'll worry about that when the time comes, but I guess probably keep the ones I can't fit into flowering in Veg in another area and top/fim them to keep the height down until they're ready to go in.
 

skunkushybrid

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Any ideas when you're going to start flowering? Have you got your eye on a suitable lady for a mother?

Great pic's by the way. Can't wait to see them in bloom.
 

babygro

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Update on what's been happening recently. Day 46 from popping and the start of the 8th week of vegetative growth.

They're all happy in their new pots and continuing upward growth nicely. They're getting a little bit too big for my liking now and tommorow I shall take what clones I can (some don't have any meristem lateral side branching so I can't take clones from those) from those with lateral side branching, before I switch them to 12/12.

Yesterday I misted the bottom half of all plants with 0.5mil Seaweed extract and a heaped tsp of epsoms per L of water. I only did the bottom half as they needed to go back under the lights for another couple of hours and I didn't want any direct light on any misted 'top leaves'. I'll mist them all again in another couple of days to try and get this mg def under control.

Foliar feeding epsoms is a faster way of getting Magnesium into the plant than root feeding.

I also put in the second 200w Enviro this evening in readiness to switch to 12/12. At the moment they have 1 x 200w Enviro 6,400k and 1 x 200w 2,700k Enviro. I was hoping to have the 250w Lumatek digital ballast by now, but I haven't, so until I get it I'll continue with the enviro's.

The Satori #1, the plant that started 5 days after all the others (and the lighter leaf pheno) is turning out to be a simply stunning and outstanding plant. It's already outstripping all the others in its growth in terms of height, branching and leaves and the strength and vigor of this plant is amazing. I'm really praying this turns out female, because that one is a keeper mum for sure. This plant is by far the healthiest and vigorous plant I've grown so far.

In the pics, the Satori #1 is front right in pic 32. Pic 33 shows the Mg def on one of the lower leaves on Satori #1, the other pic shows the other plants on the other side.
 

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bulldog

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Hello Babygro,
Just read through your journal. Nice work so far! You have gone out of your way to document everything and keep us informed. Keep up the good work. I look forward to seeing how your flowering turns out.
Cheers!!!!
 

sk3tch3

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..... I had an annoying Magnesium deficiency plague that grow mostly due to my hard tap water not working particularly well with Biobizz's Allmix soil.
once i switched to distilled and ro water my sensi star took really well. my well water sucks really bad. iron and maganese. any way those mandala strains are the exact same as my buddy chose for the heat and low smell factors. so i well make sure he pays attention to this grow. thanks for the thread and happy growing
 

babygro

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Good news for a change!

Been away this weekend and got back to check on the plants to see some are showing sex, some still aren't differentiating though and from what I can see I'd say at least one of the undifferentiated plants is a male from looking at the pre-flowers. Ironically, it's a bit of a relief to see they're not all females - because I started 8 plants in this grow in the hope to get 4 females - I can't really flower many more than 4 or 5 plants at a time in my space.

So, here are the sex determinations and the females are all confimed females with a least one set of pistils currently showing -

Satori No's 1, 3 and 4 are all confirmed females.
Kalichakra No's 1 and 3 are confimed females.

Satori No 2 I'm pretty sure is a male, Kalichakra's No's 2 and 4 are both undifferentiated at this time, ie I can't tell.

The one I'm really pleased about is Satori No1 as I beleive that plant will make an outstanding mother plant.

If they stay as they are I'll be very pleased, I can just about cope with 5 plants in my flowering room.
 

babygro

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Any ideas when you're going to start flowering? Have you got your eye on a suitable lady for a mother?

Great pic's by the way. Can't wait to see them in bloom.
Cheers Skunky!

When are they going into flowering? They should have gone into flowering about a week ago! I delayed it because I wanted to take clones, which I'll probably do tonight and then get them straight into flowering. The tallest is now about 18 inches tall, so I'm getting a bit 'twitchy' about what height they'll end up as.

Oh yeah, I've been watching Satori #1 now as a possible mother and as you'll see from my previous post, Satori #1 has revealed herself as a female! :clap: So I'm well chuffed about that.

Sorry to see things aren't quite going as planned in your own grow, I'll drop by later.
 
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