It's a muslim tradition to build a mosque at the site of a great victory.

ultraviolet pirate

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those two fucks didnt stand for me buddy, they stood to protect american and british corporate intrests. remember how we aided the mujahadeen in afganistan agaisnt the soviets? osama bin laden being one of them? we (meaning the pigs who run this country and our lives for their benefit) made this problem. remember that grainy video of rumsfield shaking hands with saddam hussien in the early eighties after we armed them against iran? fuck all of them ... the men and women in the service who fought stood for us. they are the only ones with honor, not bush and the fools who dont see that regan and rove and cheney's little agenda that has been in play for about thirty years is the cause of our problems today. close our borders, clean the cockroaches from our midst and hang the war criminals and their children too. i pray for revolution...
 

Big P

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Your prayers will be answered sooner rather than later


No president will be able to hold be the cry for blood whenthey hit us again,


U justify them because we allied with saddam against a mutual enemy

And then he betrayed us, he would have done what he did either way if we befrieded him against our mutual enemy or not


And so would have osama bin landin,


They have been doing this since the sixties man dont try to flip the script cuz of party offiliation
 

cerberus

Well-Known Member
lol hahaha you crazy man, you crazy...

tony blair, george "dubya" bush... you crazy..

glenn beck supporter? mike savage maybe?
 

rs444

Member
I didnt even read most of the thread because big P is chattin so much crap its unbelievable. I think you fall under the category that I define as Fucked by the media and you liked it.

Because you have fallen for the bullshit that the worlds media spews out about Muslims and you believe it. You are presume because of the actions of a few TERRORISTS (funny how people call them Muslim and not terrorists) that all Muslims are bad people and want to take over the world. NO. That is complete bullshit.

I always say dont let the 2 percent of bad so called Muslims, give the other good Muslims a bad name. That would be like me thinking all Irish people are terrorists because of the IRA.

They are just building a Mosque to go to pray in. You think there going to be in there, thinking and talking about "hahaha we got one over on those americans".

No are they fuck, they are going to be worshiping and praying and that is it. How is it funded? By people that want to go to the Mosque donating money, simple.

They are peaceful people, I know that for a fact. You get bad apple that fall from every tree, dont mean every apple is bad.

And big P, sorry pal but you act like You know everything, when in reality we and you know knowing. Remember the biggest industry in the world in weapons manufacturing, and well without 2 very convenient wars, alot of those manufactures would be out of money.

WAR = PROFIT. Whether it be some nice big weapons orders, or stealing some nice oil from Iraq. WAR is never good, no matter what. It does not solve anything.

ONLY THE DEAD HAVE SEEN THE END TO WAR.
 

420God

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I say since there was no declaration of war that there was no battle and therefor no victory, just a couple of places planes crashed.
 

Babs34

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"On the question of the mosque [proposed to be constructed at Ground Zero] itself, however, I don’t think any treatment of the topic can be complete without reference to the meaning behind the name of the “initiative” that intends to establish it – the Cordoba Initiative – or to the plan to name the mosque Cordoba House. My first question on hearing this a couple of weeks ago was whether Americans are completely ignorant of history.
Cordoba was, of course, the seat of the caliphate established in what is now modern Spain after the Islamic invasion from North Africa in the 8th century A.D. The medieval occupation of Spain – “al-Andalus” – is considered by Islamic theorists to have been an inevitable step in the manifest destiny of Islam, and its eventual reversal through the lengthy European “Reconquista” a tragic but temporary triumph of the infidels. The great mosque at Cordoba was built on the foundation of a Christian cathedral, and when Europeans retook Cordoba in the 13th century they turned the magnificent mosque back into a cathedral.
There is no question that the opulence and beauty of the mosque were the products of Muslim builders and artists. But there is also no question that the mosque at Cordoba represents a history of conquest and reconquest that, from the perspective of Islamists, is at an unfinished stage as of today. The caliphate of Cordoba was the geographic high point of Umayyad Muslim rule – that is, of the original caliphate that succeeded Mohammed – on European territory. It represents a glory that Islamists intend to restore. Its eventual loss to the Europeans represents, equally, an evil reversal, imposed by infidels, that requires redress.
“Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean “coexistence,” unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule. Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs cites the article (original in Arabic) published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May, in which Taher explains the following:
We must note that a hostile and provocative name [Cordoba] has been chosen for this mosque…Choosing the name ‘Cordoba House’ for the mosque to be constructed in New York was not coincidental or random and innocent. It bears within it significance and dreams of expansion and invasion [into the territory] of the other, [while] striving to change his religion and to subjugate him…
It used to not even be a stretch for reasonably well educated Westerners to recognize the place of Spain and Cordoba in the history of the West and Islam. Many of today’s younger adults, however, have learned nothing about the Mediterranean before 1492 except that the Muslim period in Spain was a flowering of science, art, and culture. There was a great deal to admire in the accomplishments of the Muslim Cordobans, but they did, in fact, invade and conquer Spain, sell its inhabitants into slavery, provide a base for slaver raids into other parts of Europe, and rule by the sword in much of the caliphate.
“Cordoba” is not a name that evokes peaceful coexistence of Islam and the West. Perhaps a contest should be held to come up with a name that does; I don’t know that I can think of one offhand. That shouldn’t surprise us. Our own lifetimes all began less than a century on from the demise of the Ottoman Empire, the entity that shifted over the centuries of its existence from fighting against Europe to buffering it from the restive tribes and sheikdoms in its hinterland. Most of us today don’t have much of a cultural memory of Islamic invasion; the peoples of Southeast Europe would be the exception. But the rest of us have grown so accustomed to the absolute character of the Pax Americana that we tend to dismiss, out of our privileged disconnectedness from history, the implications that the peoples of other times and places would have recognized – with greater wisdom – as meaningful.
A mosque at Ground Zero is something intelligent people can dispute honestly and in good faith. But honesty is essential, and it would be dishonest to dismiss the implications of proposing to name it Cordoba House. Let’s propose naming it instead Tours House, after the Battle of Tours and the defeat of the Umayyad Muslim forces there in 732; or Lepanto House, after the naval battle in the Eastern Mediterranean in 1571, in which the Western forces broke the maritime power of the Ottoman Empire; or Vienna House, after the battle of 1683 in which the Western armies broke the siege of Vienna by the Ottoman invaders.
Heck, let’s tell the mosque’s backers they can have a mosque there but its name will be Baghdad Bob House. If these seem like bad ideas because they send the wrong signal – well, exactly. So does “Cordoba House.” We should not passively accept that name out of fear of being ridiculed or second-guessed, any more than we should accept a mosque at all for such a reason."
http://www.urbanelephants.com/index.php/component/content/article/64/2700.html
 

Babs34

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I didnt even read most of the thread because big P is chattin so much crap its unbelievable. I think you fall under the category that I define as Fucked by the media and you liked it.

Because you have fallen for the bullshit that the worlds media spews out about Muslims and you believe it. You are presume because of the actions of a few TERRORISTS (funny how people call them Muslim and not terrorists) that all Muslims are bad people and want to take over the world. NO. That is complete bullshit.

I always say dont let the 2 percent of bad so called Muslims, give the other good Muslims a bad name. That would be like me thinking all Irish people are terrorists because of the IRA.

They are just building a Mosque to go to pray in. You think there going to be in there, thinking and talking about "hahaha we got one over on those americans".

No are they fuck, they are going to be worshiping and praying and that is it. How is it funded? By people that want to go to the Mosque donating money, simple.

They are peaceful people, I know that for a fact. You get bad apple that fall from every tree, dont mean every apple is bad.

And big P, sorry pal but you act like You know everything, when in reality we and you know knowing. Remember the biggest industry in the world in weapons manufacturing, and well without 2 very convenient wars, alot of those manufactures would be out of money.

WAR = PROFIT. Whether it be some nice big weapons orders, or stealing some nice oil from Iraq. WAR is never good, no matter what. It does not solve anything.

ONLY THE DEAD HAVE SEEN THE END TO WAR.
...Wake up America.
 

Babs34

Well-Known Member
No are they fuck, they are going to be worshiping and praying and that is it. How is it funded? By people that want to go to the Mosque donating money, simple.

.....and by the feds as well.
Our tax dollars being utilized to bring this insanity to fruition.
..thank you Mr. President.
 

rs444

Member
And for everyone talking about this being some sort of conquest shrine, well that was done 100s of years ago, its in the past. Things change, people change. Unless a Muslim country invaded America, I somehow doubt any Muslims are trying to take over anyone.

That shrine shit is from the past, no point dragging it up now, because that Mosque is nothing like that.
 

rs444

Member
Babs34 I really somehow doubt any government money gonna go to that Mosque, since most Mosques are registered as charities, well they are here in the UK and the people that go to those Mosques donate money all the time, Or as I saw in the news, it was private property bought by some rich Muslim that probably had the money.
 

rs444

Member
You know what I see no point arguing with people who have been brainwashed by the Media, or are just down and out undercover racists.

When you realize your own government fucked you, all for profit. And does not mind killing your own soldiers, as well as innocent women and children then perhaps you can get somewhere in life.

Never heard of false flag wars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

The twin towers was exactly that.

Good Day.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
Look here you missed it,


They call this mosque at ground zero the cordoba house, cordoba was a city in spain conquered by the muslims, they killed the infidels in cordoba tore down a very imortant christian church. And built the worlds 3rd largest mosque over it in conqured cordoba spain

And they are calling this ground zero mosque cordoba house!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!


Read before you speak
 

Babs34

Well-Known Member
Islam’s 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020
December 1, 2006 — budsimmons
A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam’s
20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan
revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

Anis Shorrosh, author of ”Islam Revealed” and ”The True Furqan,” is a
Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem
in January 1967.

”The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the
agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the
year 2020,” Shorrosh says. ”Will Americans continue to sleep through
this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?”

1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with
statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev.
Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote
Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting
Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-
Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them
as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same,
”Abed.”

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in
colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and
mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically
another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same
monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about
favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers
by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the
Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a
controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of
America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent
of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ”foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime,
Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran” anytime
Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with
Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of
Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school
boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical
field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how
numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them
more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry.
Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect
planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).
Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is
automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000
annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one
can’t legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in
America.
Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants
(so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a
few ‘’sleeper cells” have been captured in Afghanistan and on American
soil.
10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American
educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be
sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy.
There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which
teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of
2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the
Quran and videos promoting Islam to America’s high schools – free of
charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and
universities in America to establish ”Centers for Islamic studies”
with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education
institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars,
local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in
truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans
for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are
portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the
intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize
Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water
supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding
Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America’s justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to
support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting
freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic
student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by
Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the
faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken
individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by
hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting
their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and
ethic groups in America.

Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled
in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries.
”Islam Revealed” is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His
forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is
titled ”Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.”

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/islams-20-point-plan-for-con...
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doc111

Well-Known Member
Look here you missed it,


They call this mosque at ground zero the cordoba house, cordoba was a city in spain conquered by the muslims, they killed the infidels in cordoba tore down a very imortant christian church. And built the worlds 3rd largest mosque over it in conqured cordoba spain

And they are calling this ground zero mosque cordoba house!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!


Read before you speak
Oh shit! Looks like we've got another person from the U.K. spoutin' shit that they really don't know all that much about. :roll: First off, this "mosque" is a hell of a lot more than just a place for people to pray. It is a $100 million facility in the heart of the financial disctrict (where very few muslims live and work). It's going to be a lot more than just a "mosque".

Big P, from the way our U.K. friend is talking, you must be one of those self hating muslims. lol!:lol:
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
You are the leaven which binds together the entire fabric of our national system of defense. From your ranks come the great captains who hold the nation's destiny in their hands the moment the war tocsin sounds. The Long Gray Line has never failed us. Were you to do so, a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country.

This does not mean that you are war mongers.

On the contrary, the soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.

But always in our ears ring the ominous words of Plato, that wisest of all philosophers: "Only the dead have seen the end of war."
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
Oh shit! Looks like we've got another person from the U.K. spoutin' shit that they really don't know all that much about. :roll: First off, this "mosque" is a hell of a lot more than just a place for people to pray. It is a $100 million facility in the heart of the financial disctrict (where very few muslims live and work). It's going to be a lot more than just a "mosque".

Big P, from the way our U.K. friend is talking, you must be one of those self hating muslims. lol!:lol:


Im the arabic uncle tom
 

Babs34

Well-Known Member
Babs34 I really somehow doubt any government money gonna go to that Mosque, since most Mosques are registered as charities, well they are here in the UK and the people that go to those Mosques donate money all the time, Or as I saw in the news, it was private property bought by some rich Muslim that probably had the money.
Feds funding Ground Zero imam's Mideast trip


.fullpost{display:inline;}GEOFF EARLE in DC and BRENDAN SCOTT in Albany

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/feds_funding_zero_imam_mideast_trip_OTq9dmoHpxbaKvJbB4VLGM

The imam behind a plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero is set to depart on a multi-country jaunt to the Middle East funded by the State Department -- raising concerns that taxpayers may be helping him with the controversial project's $100 million fund-raising goal. Feisal Abdul Rauf is taking the publicly funded trip to foster "greater understanding" about Islam and Muslim communities in the United States, the State Department confirmed yesterday.

"He is a distinguished Muslim cleric," said State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley, when asked about the journey, reportedly to include stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar.

"I think we are in the process of arranging for him to travel as part of this program, and it is to foster a greater understanding about the region around the world among Muslim-majority communities," he added.

Crowley said no fund-raising for the mosque and cultural center during the trip would be permitted. "That would not be something he could do as part of our program," he said.

Abdul Rauf said funds for the center will come from Muslims and members of his congregation.

But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he says he also will collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility his goodwill mission could help him build contacts in oil-rich states.

"Does the State Department have any idea they are sending a guy to the Middle East who is going to be fund-raising perhaps among the very same people he will be meeting with?" asked Debra Burlingame, a 9/11 family member.

"We know he has a fund-raising association with Saudi Arabia," Burlingame said, noting that the Saudis have contributed money to underwrite programs by the American Society for Muslim Advancement, a not-for-profit that Abdul Rauf runs with his wife and that is one of the sponsors of the Ground Zero mosque. "He's going to the well, and how can they say they do or don't know what he's doing?"

Meanwhile, state regulators said the sale of an adjacent Con Ed building needed to complete the Ground Zero mosque -- as disclosed by The Post on Sunday -- might be subject to review after all, even as Mayor Bloomberg insisted the project has "nothing to do with Con Ed."

Public Service Commission spokeswoman Anne Dalton said state law requires the agency to sign off on the "transfer or lease" of any property a utility owns within its franchise area.

The question is whether Con Ed satisfied that requirement nearly four decades ago, when it granted a 99-year lease on the former substation site at 49-51 Park Place.

Additional reporting by Tom Topousis and Sally Goldenberg

NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc.

http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2010/08/feds-funding-ground-zero-imams-mideast.html
 

Big P

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Im not trying to be hurtful but the uk has fallen a great way from its heyday and with all due respect we dont want america to do the same
 
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