Wealth distribution in the US

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Hemlock said:
LOL pot calling the kettle black here.....34.000+++ posts means you're the long winded retard.
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Not necessarily.. Total post count could mean multiple things..

Also, one members post count is irrelevant to anothers, regardless of the content.
 
Doer

Doer

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It is an intersting thing. One member, writes in essay, (to be judged and fail) Each post could be 50 posts. So, the one that writes in a fashion to try to explain his points keeps his post count much lower.

The post count is much, much lower than the one that just throws hate spew against what ever is posted.

So, the essay writer, (who some might prefer <shrug>) provides much more content for discussion. The hate spewer get the high post count.

Yes, I agree. Content and post count could actually be inversely related.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
These statements have no meaning. Do you disagree with the points raised in the clip? Why? Do you feel 'that's just the way it is'? Do you feel that it's OK and nobody should do anything about it? Trust me, I'm not envious of wealthy people, it doesn't have anything to do with that and assuming it does deflects the actual issue, what's right and fair. How can middle class wages increasing 6%-7% since the 1970's and upper class wages increasing 300% be right or fair to anyone?
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Yes, your endless diatribes and vague accusations of wrong doing by the "filthy rich" shows you're not envious at all.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
Not if you make it because you figured out a way to ensure you keep 95% of the profits while all the workers and people it took to create your product compete over the remaining 5%. If this was a classroom and a student wanted to have a bake sale, it would be similar to to her selling $200 worth of baked goods and me, as the teacher, keeping $195 because I convinced the administration the proceeds would go to charity. Anyone who claims the situation is different has yet to explain HOW it is different. Workers create the product, and see a fraction of the profits. Wages have shifted from a reasonable middle class wage, able to afford a house, a couple kids, a college education and a decent car, to a seemingly exponential CEO wage, where middle class people struggle to pay for basic needs, like milk, butter and eggs. Forget about your kids college fund, because it's on the back burner until the bills get paid.. Theirs keeps rising while ours stays stagnant. Why? How? Fair? Reasonable? It blows my mind how even some middle class people (like CS) can see this stuff and still remain on the wrong side of the argument. The poor who hope the system stays the same so that they can one day make it themselves and be a big shot with a ton of money whose able to look back at everyone else and feel superior because they were "smart enough" to make it in such a fucked up system.. It's clear as day at this point the entire system is rigged against any hardworking blue collar family, and you have to be one immoral sick fuck to be a part of such a system and fuck over your fellow citizen, your neighbor, just to get more of the pie for yourself. They should have a word for such disgusting people.
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You seem to forget that the "worker" keeps 100% of the profit he makes from his labor. Your contention the business owner owes his employees more than just a fair wage is just wrong. Envy has distorted your vision.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
Rich people may not have, but the system that provides such riches has. This is what you consistently fail to acknowledge. Without it, you would have no riches to steal from. I've had jobs. Every job I've had has taught me that it doesn't benefit me to earn someone else money. It doesn't earn respect or experience, that isn't how the corporate world works. What you preach is only a model for suckers to follow, those that truly believe if you just work hard enough it'll all pay off in the end! No, it won't. Not for you anyway.. Not today.. Which is exactly what the OP outlines, yet here you are, exclaiming otherwise with zero facts or numbers to support your claim. You claim "just work hard, network, communicate, and you'll be successful!" when all the available data shows otherwise. What you propose is a pipe dream, a utopia. The American dream is bullshit, it always has been. Built on the assumption that you're better than they are. You're not.. Now the rest of us have fallen flat on our faces in such false hopes.. Thanks. You dumb fucks. Such an honorable and treasured benefit of living in America today.. All the bullshit with none of the regard. Our parents (anyone born 1960-1980) took it all for granted and left the rest of us to front the bill of their stupidity. Yet here they are, 60, 70, 80 year olds.. still making fuckin' policy.. You old fucks will die off and the rest of us will still be here to answer for your mistakes.. I hope you're proud of that. While some of you may have helped, most of you fucked us.. Most of you assholes still fuck us because you're afraid of skin color..
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Your paycheck and employer provided benefits didn't benefit you? You got no respect nor learned anything? Only suckers believe hard work pays off? No wonder you can't succeed. Fry cook at McD's is as for as you'll ever go with your attitude. Go ahead and blame the world. That will serve you well.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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nitro harley said:
You need to move north just a little bit, There is more opportunity from what I have been hearing...If you really knew how hard people work to build there business you would have a different point of view...My employee's love working for me we are like family....I pay my employee's 10% of my gross sales so if I have 10k dallors worth of sales in one day they would make 1k each...It's like profit sharing...It depends on what time of year but I have 2/3 employee's.... I didn't have alot of money when I started my business, I started with 800.00 to my name...I learned a trade from working for someone else, then I started my own business, thats how it works..Don't give up ever....
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You can pay out 30% of your gross sales and still make a profit? What business are you in? Selling stolen pot?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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NoxMetus said:
Take for a random example Steve Jobs. At one point he had some ideas, and those ideas made him some money. From that point, his money paid other people who came up with the ideas. Those people come with ideas, and many contribute a number of hours of their lives equal to what Steve Jobs does to the work, and yet Apple paid Steve Jobs an amount disproportionate to what those other idea generators received. Were they riding Steve Jobs success? The look for a better job, rinse, repeat idea is flawed. Imagine if 100% of people followed the get a job, get experience, look for a better job, rinse, repeat method. Regardless of their efforts, there are only so many high paying jobs. Only so many of those people will obtain the money of a CEO, despite everyone else working as hard. Only so many people can open a small business and make their own way. (Example, how many bakeries can be opened before there isn't enough money to be made running a bakery.) It isn't about handouts. It's that only so many people can obtain large amounts of money, and that money makes them an exorbitant amount of additional money without the need for real effort.
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Steve Jobs built Apple. With out his efforts, none of those employees would have gotten a dime. Their ideas, that he paid for, had little value until he implemented them. The crux of your statement is that no one should should get paid more than their lowest paid employee, yet shoulder all the risk. Why would anyone start a business under those conditions?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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NLXSK1 said:
So what? Do you feel these people need to have their wealth re-distributed simply because of this? How many people does Microsoft employ? Does that not count for anything? Actors and sports atheletes make far more than regular people and employ almost nobody. Yet I cant remember hearing people cry about their exorbitant salaries and how unfair it is... There are no guarantees in life. In America you have the ability to become wealthy through hard work. It is still possible to do that by starting businesses, etc. The fry guy at McDonalds is not guaranteed to make 70K per year at his job if he stays there for 50 years. If he becomes a manager and eventually an owner he can make good money though. Why is there so much hate for the job creators in America?
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Because those who think the world owes them a living have to have someone to blame their failures on.
 
UncleBuck

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Red1966 said:
Show the rest of the chart you cherry-picked. Job growth pre-2008 overwhelms growth during the Obama admin.
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the chart was posted in response to the assertion that keynesian stimulus always fails. so i posted a chart to show the effects of keynesian stimulus.

pre-2008 times are not relevant to the subject at hand, they are only relevant to your bleeding obama hate boner and george w. bush love boner.

tell us more about how you love george w. bush and hate to see his good name tarnished, stormfront red.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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UncleBuck said:
the chart was posted in response to the assertion that keynesian stimulus always fails. so i posted a chart to show the effects of keynesian stimulus. pre-2008 times are not relevant to the subject at hand, they are only relevant to your bleeding obama hate boner and george w. bush love boner. tell us more about how you love george w. bush and hate to see his good name tarnished, stormfront red.
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Pretending times before the latest Kennesian stimulus are irrelevent is dishonest. When pre 2008 job creation is much greater than the narrow window you want to pretend is all that can be considered, they most certainly disprove your claims. Your continued insistence that any facts inconsistent with your asinine theories must be ignored is not going to fly. You can have your own opinions, but you don't get your own facts.
 
UncleBuck

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Red1966 said:
Pretending times before the latest Kennesian stimulus are irrelevent is dishonest. When pre 2008 job creation is much greater than the narrow window you want to pretend is all that can be considered, they most certainly disprove your claims. Your continued insistence that any facts inconsistent with your asinine theories must be ignored is not going to fly. You can have your own opinions, but you don't get your own facts.
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considering that the last "stimulus" was in 2001 or so, i'd say pre-2008 is pretty irrelevant to a discussion of the effect sof keynesian stimulus.

say what you want, but you can't argue with the data: following the 2009 stimulus, we went from massive job losses every month to consistent job gains every month.

all the baby caskets in the world won't change that truth, stormfront red.



 
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