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Global warming causes the cold ... don't be fooled by ur own eyes!!!
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TODAY huge parts of Australia having the worst drought ever?

why?

Climate change is why...
ahhh, no, because it hasnt rained in a while....a perfectly natural phenom. i hear they had one once in california. also, austrailia is and has always been known to have some of the most extreme weather conditions on the planet.

but lets just say your right (which i am in no way saying your right).

tell us how to make it rain in australia. if we quit burning every ounce of fossil fuels tomorrow, when do you and your "scientific" buddies think it will rain.

now please explain how much TAX we have to put on energy to make the climate get "better"?

can you see how foolish this whole crock of shit is? you guys are so far out to lunch. you are willing to believe anything and attribute everything to the "nasty polluters" ie america. it is purely a religion. its hot, global warming, its cold, global warming, its dry global warming, we are up to our arse in snow, its global warming, a hurricane hit, its global warming, we havent had a hurricane hit in 2 years, its global warming.

thank god the hoax was exposed before the buffoons got this cap and hoax thing passed on the masses.
 

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Average temps from Tim Osborn's tree-ring data
A line graph of those data, prepared by this Examiner using the OpenOffice spreadsheet program and employing cubic-spline smoothing from one year to the next, appears at right. This graph shows a clear decline in temperatures beginning in 1960, to a low reached in 1978, followed by an uptrend, and then another downtrend.
Residents of New England should remember that the winter of 1977-78 was especially severe. Indeed, then-Governor Ella Grasso of Connecticut declared a total ban on motorized traffic on the streets and highways of Connecticut, that lasted for a day and a half and forced a cancellation of most classes during the full day at Yale College, where this Examiner was then a sophomore student. While most students lived on campus in those days, most faculty did not, and they found themselves unable to travel to the campus to teach their classes--except for graduate-student teaching assistants who also lived on campus, and at least one instructor who, on the morning of the second day, traveled from Hartford, CT, to New Haven, CT, wearing cross-country skis. The travel ban ended in the late morning of the second day, and one other instructor who had managed to travel to New Haven in time to teach a noon class, memorably quoted Herodotus' famous description of the Persian postal express, which may be seen along the roofline of the New York City Post Office:

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Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.
That this winter corresponded exactly to the low point of the Osborn data set can scarcely be coincidental. Thus the Osborn data set is entirely in accord with this 1977-78 experience and utterly belies the "Hockey Stick." And as mentioned, the records show that Phil Jones was copied on that data set one month before he sent his e-mail describing the production of the Hockey Stick.
This, even more than the dubious choice-of-phrase used by Jones in his e-mail, constitutes clear evidence of wrongful data manipulation. Both Jones and Osborn, not to mention Mann, Briffa, Bradley, and Hughes, have a lot of explaining to do.
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sarcasm lol! you obviously havent read all CJ's posts...I also dont lie. Victoria has suffered a terrible drought for many years.
 

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Drought Statement

For the 5 and 11-month periods ending 30th November 2009
Issued on 3rd December 2009 by the National Climate Centre
Poor start to the northern wet season; longer-term deficits remain in parts of SE Australia

Rainfall deficiencies definition Deficiencies map - first period Deficiencies map - second period Monthly climate summaries Deficits - Standard periods the top
Following a generally dry October, rainfall was below average across large parts of the Northern Territory and eastern Queensland in November 2009; a poor start to the northern wet season is common during El Niño years. Short-term rainfall deficiencies expanded as a result, especially in the NT. In contrast, above average November falls in south-central Victoria eased rainfall deficits dating from the beginning of the year.
For the 5-month period from July to November 2009, serious to severe rainfall deficiencies are evident over large areas of the NT (especially the west), spreading into adjacent parts of eastern WA. Below to very much below average rainfall in November caused these deficiencies to expand and intensify in comparison to those which existed at the end of October. There are also scattered patches of rainfall deficits for this period in central NSW, over far north Queensland, while a more coherent region covers much of southeast Queensland.
In contrast, above to very much above average rainfall during November eased or removed pre-existing deficits in the western border regions of both Queensland and NSW, including the northeast of SA.
For the 11-month period from January to November 2009, serious to severe rainfall deficiencies remain evident in a narrow band extending along the coast from southern NSW through Gippsland to south-central Victoria. Above normal November rainfall eased the deficits near Melbourne and in south Gippsland. However, a dry November saw deficits expand over the southern NT. The small patch of deficits near the Arnhem Land coast reflects both a poor end to the 2008-09 wet season as well poor start to the current wet season. There are also some relatively small deficit patches in southeast Queensland.
In contrast, a large region of deficits that had existed over the SA, Queensland and NSW tri-state border region was largely removed or eased by heavy November rains.
Very long-term rainfall deficiencies outside of the drought periods discussed above persist across parts of southern and eastern Australia. Most notably, rainfall has been below average across much of southwest and southeast Australia since 1997, while the Murray-Darling Basin has experienced below average rainfall since 2002.

Note: The terms used to describe rainfall in these Drought Statements have the following meanings -
Serious deficiency - rainfalls in the lowest 10% of historical totals, but not in the lowest 5%
Severe deficiency - rainfalls in the lowest 5% of historical totals
Lowest on record - lowest since at least 1900 when the data analysed begin
Very much below average - rainfalls in the lowest 10% of historical totals
Below average - rainfalls in the lowest 30% of historical totals, but not in the lowest 10%
Average - rainfalls in the middle 40% of historical totals
Above average - rainfalls in the highest 30% of historical totals, but not in the highest 10%
Very much above average - rainfalls in the highest 10% of historical totals
I have no reason to lie to you Faded, I have family in Victoria and the drought is bad.
 

fdd2blk

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Drought Statement

For the 5 and 11-month periods ending 30th November 2009
Issued on 3rd December 2009 by the National Climate Centre

Poor start to the northern wet season; longer-term deficits remain in parts of SE Australia

Rainfall deficiencies definition Deficiencies map - first period Deficiencies map - second period Monthly climate summaries Deficits - Standard periods the top
Following a generally dry October, rainfall was below average across large parts of the Northern Territory and eastern Queensland in November 2009; a poor start to the northern wet season is common during El Niño years. Short-term rainfall deficiencies expanded as a result, especially in the NT. In contrast, above average November falls in south-central Victoria eased rainfall deficits dating from the beginning of the year.
For the 5-month period from July to November 2009, serious to severe rainfall deficiencies are evident over large areas of the NT (especially the west), spreading into adjacent parts of eastern WA. Below to very much below average rainfall in November caused these deficiencies to expand and intensify in comparison to those which existed at the end of October. There are also scattered patches of rainfall deficits for this period in central NSW, over far north Queensland, while a more coherent region covers much of southeast Queensland.
In contrast, above to very much above average rainfall during November eased or removed pre-existing deficits in the western border regions of both Queensland and NSW, including the northeast of SA.
For the 11-month period from January to November 2009, serious to severe rainfall deficiencies remain evident in a narrow band extending along the coast from southern NSW through Gippsland to south-central Victoria. Above normal November rainfall eased the deficits near Melbourne and in south Gippsland. However, a dry November saw deficits expand over the southern NT. The small patch of deficits near the Arnhem Land coast reflects both a poor end to the 2008-09 wet season as well poor start to the current wet season. There are also some relatively small deficit patches in southeast Queensland.
In contrast, a large region of deficits that had existed over the SA, Queensland and NSW tri-state border region was largely removed or eased by heavy November rains.
Very long-term rainfall deficiencies outside of the drought periods discussed above persist across parts of southern and eastern Australia. Most notably, rainfall has been below average across much of southwest and southeast Australia since 1997, while the Murray-Darling Basin has experienced below average rainfall since 2002.

Note: The terms used to describe rainfall in these Drought Statements have the following meanings -
Serious deficiency - rainfalls in the lowest 10% of historical totals, but not in the lowest 5%
Severe deficiency - rainfalls in the lowest 5% of historical totals
Lowest on record - lowest since at least 1900 when the data analysed begin
Very much below average - rainfalls in the lowest 10% of historical totals
Below average - rainfalls in the lowest 30% of historical totals, but not in the lowest 10%
Average - rainfalls in the middle 40% of historical totals
Above average - rainfalls in the highest 30% of historical totals, but not in the highest 10%
Very much above average - rainfalls in the highest 10% of historical totals
I have no reason to lie to you Faded, I have family in Victoria and the drought is bad.

jesus fucvking chrisdt read your own posts. :wall:
 

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Drought Statement

For the 5 and 11-month periods ending 30th November 2009
Issued on 3rd December 2009 by the National Climate Centre
Poor start to the northern wet season; longer-term deficits remain in parts of SE Australia

Rainfall deficiencies definition Deficiencies map - first period Deficiencies map - second period Monthly climate summaries Deficits - Standard periods the top
Following a generally dry October, rainfall was below average across large parts of the Northern Territory and eastern Queensland in November 2009; a poor start to the northern wet season is common during El Niño years. Short-term rainfall deficiencies expanded as a result, especially in the NT. In contrast, above average November falls in south-central Victoria eased rainfall deficits dating from the beginning of the year.
For the 5-month period from July to November 2009, serious to severe rainfall deficiencies are evident over large areas of the NT (especially the west), spreading into adjacent parts of eastern WA. Below to very much below average rainfall in November caused these deficiencies to expand and intensify in comparison to those which existed at the end of October. There are also scattered patches of rainfall deficits for this period in central NSW, over far north Queensland, while a more coherent region covers much of southeast Queensland.
In contrast, above to very much above average rainfall during November eased or removed pre-existing deficits in the western border regions of both Queensland and NSW, including the northeast of SA.
For the 11-month period from January to November 2009, serious to severe rainfall deficiencies remain evident in a narrow band extending along the coast from southern NSW through Gippsland to south-central Victoria. Above normal November rainfall eased the deficits near Melbourne and in south Gippsland. However, a dry November saw deficits expand over the southern NT. The small patch of deficits near the Arnhem Land coast reflects both a poor end to the 2008-09 wet season as well poor start to the current wet season. There are also some relatively small deficit patches in southeast Queensland.
In contrast, a large region of deficits that had existed over the SA, Queensland and NSW tri-state border region was largely removed or eased by heavy November rains.
Very long-term rainfall deficiencies outside of the drought periods discussed above persist across parts of southern and eastern Australia. Most notably, rainfall has been below average across much of southwest and southeast Australia since 1997, while the Murray-Darling Basin has experienced below average rainfall since 2002.

Note: The terms used to describe rainfall in these Drought Statements have the following meanings -
Serious deficiency - rainfalls in the lowest 10% of historical totals, but not in the lowest 5%
Severe deficiency - rainfalls in the lowest 5% of historical totals
Lowest on record - lowest since at least 1900 when the data analysed begin
Very much below average - rainfalls in the lowest 10% of historical totals
Below average - rainfalls in the lowest 30% of historical totals, but not in the lowest 10%
Average - rainfalls in the middle 40% of historical totals
Above average - rainfalls in the highest 30% of historical totals, but not in the highest 10%
Very much above average - rainfalls in the highest 10% of historical totals

Rainfall deficiencies definition Deficiencies map - first period Deficiencies map - second period Monthly climate summaries Deficits - Standard periods the top

For more information regarding this rainfall deficiencies statement, please contact the following climate meteorologists in the National Climate Centre:​
Grant Beard on (03) 9669 4527
Shoni Maguire on (03) 9669 4466
Blair Trewin on (03) 9669 4623


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I stated earlier that there are droughts IN Australia, I didnt say Australia is in a state of drought. Jesus fucking christ! lol. I also mentioned Victoria specifically. I dont want an argument but it seems that all that ever happens here. The maps on the webpages show drought areas but wont copy for some reason so just take a look.
 

CrackerJax

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Read this small article. It explains a part of what they are now starting to think is going on.


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Five Decades Of Cooling Ahead

Posted 12/24/2009 06:17 PM ET

As Americans dig out from another bout of global warming, a new, peer-reviewed study sees decades of lower, not higher, temperatures ahead. AP View Enlarged Image

Climate Change: A peer-reviewed study by a respected Canadian physicist blames the interplay of cosmic rays and chlorofluorocarbons for 20th-century warming. The CFCs are now gone, and so is warming — perhaps for the next 50 years.
Much of the nation got a white Christmas this year, some in unprecedented quantities. A record-breaking storm deposited 12 to 30 inches of snow in Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. Many places set records for the most snow in a single December day as more than 50% of the U.S. was covered by the white stuff.
Scientists (and here we use the word loosely) at Britain's Climate Research Unit may have tried to "hide the decline" in global temperatures, but it's hard to hide two feet of snow. Their motto seems to be the immortal words of Groucho Marx: "Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"
Qing Bin-Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy at Canada's University of Waterloo, is a believer in the value of drawing conclusions from observable data and not from selective data fed into computer models that are based on false assumptions and include "fudge factors."
In a peer-reviewed paper published in the prestigious online journal Physics Reports, Lu, who holds a Ph.D. in physics from the University of Newcastle, reports that CFCs, the compounds once widely used as refrigerants, and cosmic rays, which are energy particles originating in outer space, are mostly to blame for climate change, rather than carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.
Lu puts the start of the cooling trend at 2002 and writes that "the observed data show that CFCs conspiring with cosmic rays most likely caused both the Antarctic ozone hole and global warming. These findings are totally unexpected and striking, as I was focused on studying the mechanism for the formation of the ozone hole, rather than global warming."
From 1850 to 1950, Lu notes, the recorded CO2 level increased significantly because of the Industrial Revolution; the global temperature stayed constant or rose only 0.1 degree Celsius.
"Most remarkably, the total amount of CFCs, ozone-depleting molecules that are well-known greenhouse gases ... decreased around 2000," Lu said. "Correspondingly, the global surface temperature has also dropped. In striking contrast, the CO2 level has kept rising since 1850 and now is at its largest growth rate."
Other reputable scientists have also predicted decades of cooling ahead to, er, varying degrees and for varying reasons. Earth's climate is affected by many things and is more complicated than the CRU computer models.
In a speech in September at the U.N.'s World Climate Conference in Geneva, Mojib Latif of Germany's Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University, one of the world's foremost climate modelers and a lead author for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, acknowledged that the Earth has been cooling and is likely to continue to do so the next couple of decades.
According to research conducted by Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University, the oceans and global temperatures are closely related and have a natural cycle of warming and cooling that affects the planet.
The most important ocean cycle is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO). Professor Easterbrook notes that in the 1980s and 1990s it was in a warming cycle, as was the earth. The global cooling from 1940 to 1975, which had some warning of an ice age, coincided with a Pacific cooling cycle.
"The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of three decades of global cooling," said Easterbrook.
Such solar and ocean cycles explain why the Earth can cool and polar ice thicken even as carbon dioxide levels continue to increase.
We will leave it to better minds to decide for what reason and for how long the earth is cooling.
 

Straight up G

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When global warming causes the entire earth to freeze and polar bears are everywhere, I might actually receive that new asshole. By the way, I hope that commercial didn't make you cry G.

Look everybody it's a warmer, isn't that cute, that's almost as cute as a kid that believes in Santa.
ha ha, do you really think I watched your butthurt op vid?, do ya?

"look everybody its a warmer" and everyone blanks you, no surprise really, you better get back to your really important political discussions.
 

jeff f

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Read this small article. It explains a part of what they are now starting to think is going on.


===================================================================

Five Decades Of Cooling Ahead

Posted 12/24/2009 06:17 PM ET

As Americans dig out from another bout of global warming, a new, peer-reviewed study sees decades of lower, not higher, temperatures ahead. AP View Enlarged Image

Climate Change: A peer-reviewed study by a respected Canadian physicist blames the interplay of cosmic rays and chlorofluorocarbons for 20th-century warming. The CFCs are now gone, and so is warming — perhaps for the next 50 years.
Much of the nation got a white Christmas this year, some in unprecedented quantities. A record-breaking storm deposited 12 to 30 inches of snow in Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. Many places set records for the most snow in a single December day as more than 50% of the U.S. was covered by the white stuff.
Scientists (and here we use the word loosely) at Britain's Climate Research Unit may have tried to "hide the decline" in global temperatures, but it's hard to hide two feet of snow. Their motto seems to be the immortal words of Groucho Marx: "Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"
Qing Bin-Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy at Canada's University of Waterloo, is a believer in the value of drawing conclusions from observable data and not from selective data fed into computer models that are based on false assumptions and include "fudge factors."
In a peer-reviewed paper published in the prestigious online journal Physics Reports, Lu, who holds a Ph.D. in physics from the University of Newcastle, reports that CFCs, the compounds once widely used as refrigerants, and cosmic rays, which are energy particles originating in outer space, are mostly to blame for climate change, rather than carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.
Lu puts the start of the cooling trend at 2002 and writes that "the observed data show that CFCs conspiring with cosmic rays most likely caused both the Antarctic ozone hole and global warming. These findings are totally unexpected and striking, as I was focused on studying the mechanism for the formation of the ozone hole, rather than global warming."
From 1850 to 1950, Lu notes, the recorded CO2 level increased significantly because of the Industrial Revolution; the global temperature stayed constant or rose only 0.1 degree Celsius.
"Most remarkably, the total amount of CFCs, ozone-depleting molecules that are well-known greenhouse gases ... decreased around 2000," Lu said. "Correspondingly, the global surface temperature has also dropped. In striking contrast, the CO2 level has kept rising since 1850 and now is at its largest growth rate."
Other reputable scientists have also predicted decades of cooling ahead to, er, varying degrees and for varying reasons. Earth's climate is affected by many things and is more complicated than the CRU computer models.
In a speech in September at the U.N.'s World Climate Conference in Geneva, Mojib Latif of Germany's Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University, one of the world's foremost climate modelers and a lead author for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, acknowledged that the Earth has been cooling and is likely to continue to do so the next couple of decades.
According to research conducted by Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University, the oceans and global temperatures are closely related and have a natural cycle of warming and cooling that affects the planet.
The most important ocean cycle is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO). Professor Easterbrook notes that in the 1980s and 1990s it was in a warming cycle, as was the earth. The global cooling from 1940 to 1975, which had some warning of an ice age, coincided with a Pacific cooling cycle.
"The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of three decades of global cooling," said Easterbrook.
Such solar and ocean cycles explain why the Earth can cool and polar ice thicken even as carbon dioxide levels continue to increase.
We will leave it to better minds to decide for what reason and for how long the earth is cooling.
the whole dillema is WE JUST DONT KNOW when it comes to why weather/climate changes. for god sakes we have only had reliable records for less than 50 years. it is impossible to make an educated guess in a system that is a couple hundred thousand years old.

i am an outdoor enthusiast. i hunt fish hike and love the outdoors and nature. i dont want to pollute it. i want it conserved for my kids too.

but that doesnt mean i am gonna believe in the boogey man and make poor people suffer.

the only hope these third world countries have is to get "energized" as soon as possible so they too can raise their families and better their existance.

the global warming flat earthers want to deny them that oppurtunity by making energy more scarse/expensive. its twisted shit.
 
Its really good ta see that so many of us here know that global warming is just a big money scheme. The same people that believe in this shit are the same people that were stocking up on gas masks and bottled water before Y2K! Lets go fill up the basement with canned goods guys the worlds about ta crash! Its starting ta get obvious that every few years we get hit with some big media scare that causes all the sorry gullable bastards in the world ta go and spend all there money on nonsense. As soon as the fat cats have raked in all the doe and milked it for everything they can, all of a sudden its over and were on to the next big scare. I cant believe that most of our society is so damn stupid that they can tell us global WARMING is actually making the earth COLDER..... and we believe it! I swear somebody on this thread brought that up and called another guy stupid cause "he didnt know that!" WOW!
I really think theyre tryin ta take it too far with the whole doubling, tripling energy prices bullshit. I mean they almost had it until somebody came to their senses and said "hey how about you show us some proof first!" Since then I aint heard a peep about it! I think that really killed global warmings credibility and most people with half a brain are realizing that its another damn scam. Its sad too cuz Im all for preserving the earth and so are a lot of people and these bastards are using that to their advantage ta get richer, they dont give a fuck about the planet! Its funny most of these big time save the world/global warming pricks are the biggest energy wasting polluters around! Private jets, Hummers, multi million dollar houses that need their own power plant ta keep the lights on! Fuckin hypocrits man, but the real ones in here know that if we really wanna save the planet we gotta LEGALIZE IT! No more cutting down trees, increased O2 output, no more oil wars, and on and on and on! Thats a good note ta end this rant on. I had ta put in my 2 cents, FUCK GLOBAL WARMING!
 

Uncle Ben

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Talked to a friend living in Minnesota a couple of nights ago. 20 degrees and eight inches of snowfall that night.
Hey man, long time no see! I can't believe you're still around!
Still crazy after all these years?

Happy New Year, ya old pHart!
Uncle Ben
 
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