Is it Possible That the U.S. Government Staged the Boston Marathon Bombing?

kpmarine

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pay attention sheep
The only stuff I found was executive orders regarding background checks; appointing a head of the ATF; mental health regulations; law enforcement information sharing; encouraging law enforcement to trace where guns used in crimes come from; and such things as that. There's no executive orders involving weapons bans. But yeah, your response was helpful...
 

Figong

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"Truth serums" aren't as effective as many think. They're just barbiturates. It's like getting a guy drunk to get information out of him. You may be successful, but he can still lie. It's just lowered inhibitions working to your favor. If it gets you info, I wouldn't be opposed to using it; don't expect just the truth though. To me, torture is pointless in any circumstance I can think of. It's not worth sacrificing a bit of our humanity for the chance of information that may or may not be reliable.
If the sodium pentothol were to fail, could go with scopolamine as a secondary, or go a bit lighter with each as a cocktail, and go with an iv push just the same. CIA has run many tests on both, and combination of the two I've mentioned, as well as using them on their own agents with a double blind test to check reliability. I also wouldn't doubt that they also subject any with yankee white clearance to the same, given the capabilities that such a person has, and knowledge that they possess that could very well cause grave national harm if they were to be taken hostage in some fashion.
 

Harrekin

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If the sodium pentothol were to fail, could go with scopolamine as a secondary, or go a bit lighter with each as a cocktail, and go with an iv push just the same. CIA has run many tests on both, and combination of the two I've mentioned, as well as using them on their own agents with a double blind test to check reliability. I also wouldn't doubt that they also subject any with yankee white clearance to the same, given the capabilities that such a person has, and knowledge that they possess that could very well cause grave national harm if they were to be taken hostage in some fashion.
Scopolamine is too dangerous and too messy for interrogations.

They do trip balls on it too, it's just not constant.
 

Figong

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Scopolamine is too dangerous and too messy for interrogations.

They do trip balls on it too, it's just not constant.
Is why if used, would highly recommend a hell of a dilution cocktail-wise if it's in combination, or use something else as an antagonist to control it.. at least a bit at the receptor level.
 

kpmarine

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If the sodium pentothol were to fail, could go with scopolamine as a secondary, or go a bit lighter with each as a cocktail, and go with an iv push just the same. CIA has run many tests on both, and combination of the two I've mentioned, as well as using them on their own agents with a double blind test to check reliability. I also wouldn't doubt that they also subject any with yankee white clearance to the same, given the capabilities that such a person has, and knowledge that they possess that could very well cause grave national harm if they were to be taken hostage in some fashion.
If it happened to net some useful information, good for them. I'd draw the line at torture though.
 

Doer

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I'm waiting for the "U-S-A" chants and to continue the war on terror overseas.
I can hear it from my window.....no waiting necessary. Did you think we were winding down the w o t ?

We aren't winding down the w o d. We are winding down border enforcement?

No, we are turning it all into Drone Central.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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I'm not sure how this ties in to Obama actually expanding gun control via executive order.
no my misguided point was, that the excecutive branch will just do whatever, now even if i agree with soem gun control, superventing the senate and all, our gov def seems lame and unable to accomplish the simplest of task, i mean congreess agreed potato chips or pizza is a vegetable

why can they figure this shit out without executive actions
 

kelly4

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Actually, they are. My neighbor didn't put the lid on correctly and her cooker blew it's top. It threw the lid thru the sheet rock on the ceiling and plastered more than boiling hot food all over her kitchen. If she had been in there when it happened, she would have been scalded by the hot food. The vent can become plugged and the cooker will really explode. The blowout plugs have been known to fail.
Why hasn't this been brought to everyone's attention? Why are these dangerous things banned for our protection? I bet it's the pressure cooker lobby.
 

Dr Kynes

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If it happened to net some useful information, good for them. I'd draw the line at torture though.
what about giving them big doses of dextromethorphine, and then grillin em while theyre robo-trippin?

or puttin em in a cage with harmless but scary lookin bugs Fear Factor style, or making humiliating but otherwise non- harmful dude piles, and whatnot? all these things have been declared torture too. the weenies dont want to actually grill the bastards at all, they want to put em in the palm beach hilton, with room service and free blowjobs.
 

Figong

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Why hasn't this been brought to everyone's attention? Why are these dangerous things banned for our protection? I bet it's the pressure cooker lobby.
Just like water balloons.. you know something is completely fucked up in the world we live in when the age recommended is older than the age of 3 for them.. and the bag still says "Do not eat.". If you have to tell someone that water balloons aren't edible, that's a good explanation as to the start of the problem in the overall picture, isn't it?
 

Doer

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There's a reason we don't use torture; aside from simply not being barbarians anymore. It's unreliable as all hell. Start tearing off a guy's fingernails, and he'll tell you the locations of all the troops in North Korea (Regardless of what he actually knows). People will tell you what they want to hear to make it stop. It's a useless prospect. Besides, what would be gained?
That's right. Torture is barbarous and bloody..all that screaming and moaning, crying for mercy. Having to stop and ask questions....puking.

We Torment, cleanly, coldly, and silently. We use drowning and revival as a basic mammal punishment.

It is the same as the Board of Education on the Seat of Understanding I got in grade school. I was easily corrected.

These guys need to be regulated into compliance and truthfulness.

That's why he is being held under the public safety clause. He won't be water-boarded until he heals up and a worldwide investigation is conducted.

Maybe 6 months. Then if he never lies, he won't be punished. But, the tests are subtle I imagine. And the first session almost immediate based on any tap dancing.

Kalhid Sheik was punished over 100 times, apparently. Tough guy. But, he gave up a courier by actually lying, knowing full well the punishment, about the the embedded test.

You ask him something in a way that contains a truth you know, as well as, a name you are interest in.

Back the water-board over that name? Bingo!

That made the courier come into focus and so long, Bin Laden.
 

Grandpapy

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Where can I find news reports of the 420 activities in Denver?, I would have thought it news worthy.

edit: sorry, wrong thread
 

Jimdamick

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I think the best thing for all murderers is a box with no outside contact as long as they are alive. Death is way to easy.
 

Harrekin

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Is why if used, would highly recommend a hell of a dilution cocktail-wise if it's in combination, or use something else as an antagonist to control it.. at least a bit at the receptor level.
The dosage would have to be so so tiny, the risk of overdose is just way too high.
 

Figong

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The dosage would have to be so so tiny, the risk of overdose is just way too high.
Which is why I was definitely thinking a full-blown antagonist, which would heavily restrict it should a miscalculation occur in terms of dosage, and not cause unintended chaos/headache/death, especially given the concentrations and combinations of anything else that may be delivered as part of the cocktail. I agree that the risk of overdose is quite high compared to everything else, that's by no means being argued by me.
 

Doer

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what about giving them big doses of dextromethorphine, and then grillin em while theyre robo-trippin?

or puttin em in a cage with harmless but scary lookin bugs Fear Factor style, or making humiliating but otherwise non- harmful dude piles, and whatnot? all these things have been declared torture too. the weenies dont want to actually grill the bastards at all, they want to put em in the palm beach hilton, with room service and free blowjobs.
All of that has been tried. We have a 10,000+ year history of making people talk. Nothing is more effective than the WB.

It's not torture. It's basic B. F. Skinner behavior modification.
 

kpmarine

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what about giving them big doses of dextromethorphine, and then grillin em while theyre robo-trippin?

or puttin em in a cage with harmless but scary lookin bugs Fear Factor style, or making humiliating but otherwise non- harmful dude piles, and whatnot? all these things have been declared torture too. the weenies dont want to actually grill the bastards at all, they want to put em in the palm beach hilton, with room service and free blowjobs.
The large piles of naked dudes were entirely for the amusement of the guards; if you're talking about Gitmo. Robo tripping makes you way too susceptible to suggestion. I don't think you'd get much useful. In my experience; people that a re robo tripping make for great entertainment. Cage full of scary bugs doesn't seem like torture to me. Though, you'd have to pay me to do it willingly.
 

kpmarine

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no my misguided point was, that the excecutive branch will just do whatever, now even if i agree with soem gun control, superventing the senate and all, our gov def seems lame and unable to accomplish the simplest of task, i mean congreess agreed potato chips or pizza is a vegetable

why can they figure this shit out without executive actions
Ah, I see what you mean. To be fair, the Senate was never intended to be a model of efficiency. I think part of it's inefficiency is to ensure that panic motions don't get passed as easily. I didn't fully agree with some of the law's restrictions, so I'm not entirely unhappy about it failing. I am a fan of universal background checks, and stiffer penalties on gun sales to people that aren't allowed to have them. I've read stories in the past of people performing obvious straw purchases, just to see what the salesman in the gun shop would say. There were a lot of shady sales in legitimate establishments; that shit is not acceptable.
 
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